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Orsino and Viola

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(Viola is referring to Orsino here)

Orsino's final lines, after he's found out Cesario's "true identity":

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Achilles and Patroclus

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Achilles and Patroclus don't actually get a lot of on-stage interaction in the play, but other characters certainly talk about their relationship:

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Orsino and Viola: National Theatre, 2017

Achilles and Patroclus: Royal Shakespeare Company, 2018

Since loving James Lance as Trent Crimm I’ve been scouring his work on IMDB and as far as being type cast, apparently in the early 2000s all casting directors really looked at him and thought ‘yes, this man is a slut’ 😭

(Context: ‘Teachers’ season 3 and ‘Absolute Power’)

Im so embarrassed to post this but I’ve been thinking about them and trent and brad are my favorite characters!!!! I just love them care about them okay?????

AND right next to them!!!! Here are these silly mustache men!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t even ship braddavid that much but yknow…

seriously Apple what have you done to me

Someone who does interviews ask James Lance how his hair does That™️

Ask not for whom the gurdy hurds. It hurds for thee.

I would say that while in Pompeii the bodies have been removed and any that were there replaced by casts formed by the ash, just up the road in Herculaneum there is actual skeletons just left out to the elements for tourists to see; remains of the people who sheltered in the boathouses from the destruction. I when there I found that some people I were with objected to this - indeed ostensibly it was the commodification of dead besties for tourists to gawp at, which in some ways is worse than tourism around these ship wrecks, and until recently you could go right up to them. It’s all very macabre.

As is stated in the comments however, perhaps it is different to the case of those shipwrecks simply due to the passage of time? Indeed no one is even remotely related to these people or knew who they were - their bones have no personal significance to anyone - and perhaps they’re educational; I’ve certainly remembered them.

Nevertheless, when Richard III best was found under a car park in Leicester, he was removed and given a royal burial. But the British Museum holds 6000 human remains (though does insist on ‘ethical obligations’ and ‘dignity’ in handling them https://www.britishmuseum.org/our-work/departments/human-remains). I myself attended a talk on the archeology of human remains and a human skull was passed around for us to hold.

The treatment of human remains is and will always be a tricky topic in archeology - at what point does respect give way to research? How long is long enough before digging up remains? But ultimately I think it’s a personal choice as to what you think is correct. Some might believe that the dead should be permanently laid to rest and never touched, but in reality the movement of human remains is impossible to avoid in some cases (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17103281 ).

Overall, going back to the original point with comparing the two as sights of historical interest, the main point which I think unifies the two is a need for respect when dealing with remains (though the level of this may vary depending on the context eg. How long ago did they die? do they have relatives? Are the bones actually in the way?). Ultimately, however, I think that the treatment of bones is a big question which may never have a definite answer like many morale questions. The main thing perhaps with these wrecks is the preservation of them - whereas with bones you have to have a special licence to dig them and there is all these questions about their treatment, any old rich guy can build a submarine and destroy parts of these wrecks. Indeed, it perhaps echoes the Victorian era where people would take parts of mummy’s home to grind into a medicinal powder before checks and protections were put into place to prevent this. These are people’s final resting places, and even if they are studied for their historical significance, tourists should at least be monitored and checked before visiting - as proved by the recent disaster - for their own safety and that of the historical site.

What’s your opinion on Pompeii then

tbh, i dont feel necessarily qualified to discuss the ethics around pompeii.

as i stated in the post, ocean liners and shipwrecks are one of my special interests so i know quite a lot about that kind of thing. ive watched a lot of interviews with survivors of wrecks or family members of those who died. this includes victims of titanic where family members have said they doont watch folks going down there to gawk at the wreck. there are also several shipwrecks that cannot be treated as tourist hotspots either because of respect for the dead or to avoid things like plundering or vandalism, like the fitz or the greek trading ship in the black sea.

because of all that, i feel that i know enough about the topic to speak on it and i will defer to what the survivors and the families of victims say.

im not that well-versed on pompeii beyond what most people know. ive never come across any discussion about it as a tourist spot or as part of "dark tourism', so my opinion is that my opinion on that matter is worthless.

if anyone who does know more about it, id love to hear what you think about it as a tourist spot.