Again, Very Normal Behaviour.

Again, very normal behaviour.

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Noel said later he was thinking them having kids would either « make them or … make them even madder » (added but in the end it made Liam grow up etc) I guess he meant, plainly, will having kids break us and that’s how he felt back when it happened.

Oasis bad boy Liam Gallagher has had an emotional reunion with brother Noel - thanks to his new baby. The two had been barely speaking to each other after a bust-up earlier this year. Liam's baby son Lennon was born a month ago - but neither Uncle Noel nor wife Meg had even been to see him. Until last week that is. Liam, 26, has been left 'angry and hurt' by his big brother's astonishing snub.

The wild singer first clashed with Noel, 31, while they worked on songs for the new Oasis album in a New York recording studio just days after Lennon was born. Guitarist Noel had insisted that Liam tear himself away from Patsy, 31, and their newborn baby to go to the States. Liam flew back from America last weekend and rushed to be with his wife and first child.

A source close to Liam told Sunday People: "Liam couldn't believe the way Noel had behaved over the birth of Lennon. It was one of the biggest if not the biggest day in his entire life. Noel's absence for nearly three weeks after the birth had soured his relationship with Liam to an all-time low. But it's all sorted out now. They've made up and they are now getting on better than ever.”

Source: People, October 1999

The Ying and the Yang of Liam Gallagher

noel quotes

Noel on Sara in 2003:

'I have got a girlfriend at the moment.' Will he say who? 'Nope. Nope. It's one of those things... It's just when it's in the papers for other people to see, it demeans it. She's fantastic, she's gorgeous, she's the funniest person I know, but it's not for public consumption. She's mine, she belongs to me.'

Idk but to me he seems to have done some major transfer from his relationship with Liam to Sara around the time they fell apart in early 00. It's literally how he used to talk about Liam, he wanted to hurt him (back I know) so bad. Or maybe « teach him a lesson » as he puts it.

In the same interview the journalist view on Noel btw :

"Poor Noel. There he is, joined at the hip in sibling rivalry-cum-dependence-cum-love, struggling with demons he'd rather not confront, and unable to write words to the 20-odd melodies and arrangements he's got ready. He can't write because he won't write for himself - he wants to write for Oasis, and Oasis, for him, means writing for Liam. He wants to write as he did when he was young and 'desperate' and the only way out of Manchester was rock 'n' roll stardom. But he's got that now, and a daughter he adores, and a house in the country, and he is, in truth, in early middle-age."

And Noel who implied he stopped writing from the heart during this period :

A song written by Liam - 'Songbird', a simple, affecting, nursery-rhyme-like love song. It is, you sense, from the heart - a part of the body Noel doesn't, in his song-writing, much visit these days. 'I don't', he says, a little shiftily, 'like to write achingly personal songs.'

As if!

And they were good songs - like "Live Forever", "Slide Away", "Rock 'n' Roll Star". And at that point I was really livin' it - you know, we were in the back of a transit van, goin' up and down motorways, and we were being a proper, working band. And I think that's probably why people hold that album up as the one - and probably why I do - because I meant every word I was writing. I did want to live forever, and I did want to be a rock 'n' roll star. All those lyrics are fantastic because they're honest. Whereas now it's like private jets, good hotels, nice restaurants, da da da. You become more insulated so you make stuff up, and it becomes more abstract. Less personal.'

Like, he conveniently completely eclipses he meant every word of Slide Away.

And Liam stopped singing Wonderwall it seems:

There have, notoriously, been numerous Oasis implosions since, and Noel has walked out while on tour more than once. 'Yes, well, technically we've broken up quite a lot, but it's never felt like that. Because the band's too important to me - it's what I do. At 35, now, to leave Oasis would be like getting a new girlfriend - it's like I couldn't be arsed, dating. Another band - rehearsals would be like going out for dinner, getting to know people. I can't be bothered to do that. Because the best gig in the world is being me, in Oasis. Because you get to do backing vocals and you get to give a bit of lip between the songs [in Brighton, for instance, in December, wishing that some of the audience die of hypothermia], and I get to sing the two biggest songs of the night, 'Don't Look Back in Anger' and 'Wonderwall'. So I think I'll stick with what I know, thank you very much.'

Liam on Noel a month later: "We're not mates. We just don't feel like it. We get on better when we don't see each other and don't speak to each other so let's not be mates!"

"he writes all those words for me to sing, like “Noel’s gonna tell you what you’re gonna do” and “I wish I wasn’t me” and I still sing them."

ugh I always wondered how Liam felt about this type of lyrics, especially when I first heard it's good to be free, I love the song, yet I couldn't believe Noel freaking made Liam sing his own thoughts and feelings on their conflict/why he left him, how over-powering...

To me that confirms that while Liam still sings the song like he meant every word, he may still get crushed inside while doing so.

In the white room live, you can see that for once Liam blatantly ignores Noel, while Noel tries to turn towards him.

Liam and I went off for a drink.

‘See what happened then?’ he said. ‘That’s what happens all the time. That’s why people say we’re always fighting. I’m just standing up for myself. He thinks it’s his band and we’re all supposed to be sheep. The rest of them go along with it, but I’m not going to. I mean, if he told them all to turn up tomorrow because we were going to play a gig under a lamp post, they’d just do it. I’d ask him, “Why are we playing up a lamp post. Can’t we play a stadium or something?” […]’

And, while he wasn’t denying the importance of Noel in shaping the band’s sound, he wasn’t about to give his brother sole credit.

‘We’re not just old Bartholomew’s backing band like he sometimes thinks. I mean, he wouldn’t have joined if I hadn’t been there in the first place. If he hadn’t joined we might’ve been shit or we might’ve ended up being good. I wrote three songs back then and I admit two of them were shit. The other one was all right, though. And I wrote the chorus to “Columbia”. I’m not useless. […]’

Would Noel welcome the creative input from him?

‘No, of course he fucking wouldn’t. I remember I said to him, “If I’d came up to you and I’d written something as good as ‘Hey Jude’ - I know it’s not likely, but if I had - would you let us record it?” And he went, “No, I’d quit.” It really hurt when he said that. I mean he writes all those words for me to sing, like “Noel’s gonna tell you what you’re gonna do” and “I wish I wasn’t me” and I still sing them. I don’t complain about that to him because I know he writes brilliant songs, but I don’t think he should just ignore my ideas.

‘It’s like when we were on the last tour. I had an idea for backing vocals on one of the songs, but when I told him, he just went, “No, that’s shit.” Then when we did the song, he started doing backing vocals just like I’d said. I went, “I’d told you that would be good,” but he went, “No, they were different backing vocals.” He’s just too proud to admit that I’m right sometimes.

‘There’s only a few songwriters that really inspire me. People like John Lennon and Paul Weller. And Noel’s up there with them. I’m not going to pretend he isn’t. I’d just wish he’d remember sometimes that Oasis is a band.’

- “Take me There: OASIS - The Story” by Paul Mathur (p. 151-153)

2017 (Council skies nostalgia?)

ZEITmagazin: Was there ever a time when you got on better with Liam?

Gallagher: Of course, when we were young, there were times when we didn't argue. The big break probably came when I moved from Manchester to London when I was 26. He completely freaked out then. He never forgave me for that. And when the first people told him he was a star, he finally lost it. That's what happened, whether he liked it or not.

ZEITmagazin: Why did you move to London back then?

Gallagher: Because I was bored to death in Manchester. I was going to London more and more often, so at some point it was obvious for me to move there completely. And when I told the family about my decision, Liam freaked out.

ZEITmagazin: Did he feel left alone as a little brother?

Gallagher: But he wasn't alone! There was the rest of Oasis, they all lived in Manchester.

ZEITmagazin: After all, you are his big brother.

Gallagher: (long silence) I think he sees a lot more in me.

ZEITmagazin: What?

Gallagher: Probably a surrogate father. But let's not go there. I moved to London anyway, and my brother became a complete idiot in Manchester.

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I moved to London anyway. Sounds like he knew he was breaking his heart. But, maybe, likely, he thought Liam would follow him. Probably he stayed over at Noel’s when he had to be in London, yet effectively he moved out of his mothers place after he met Patsy.

Alsooo, love how not one word is mentioned of Paul, it’s not he wasn’t alone he was with Paul and Mum, it’s, the rest of oasis was there so what’s the complaint. I don’t know about then but this right in 2017 either seems connected to their u love me so show me power play, or, and, just goes to show how close they were back then and how very aware they both were of it.