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The idea is that people who break laws are already gonna break them, shootings are never legal but abortion being illegal would in fact, lower the amount of law abiding citizens who have abortions, just as gun laws would lower the amount of law abiding citizens who have guns, or at least make it harder to get them, which lowers law abiding citizens with the ability to protect themselves and those around them from already criminal shooters. No abortion laws won’t stop abortions, but they’ll at least lower them and hopefully promote the idea that it’s wrong.

Also pro choice doesn’t protect people of all kinds because it advocates for the killing of babies in any case. The person performing the abortion unless it was a life saving procedure should be punished as it is killing an innocent life for no good reason.

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

I think in cases of the woman or child dying that the baby should be able to be terminated but even then every prolife person I’ve met would agree to that. From what I know American laws are lenient in most cases and do allow for medical terminations though I’ll do more research, also from what I know the woman you’re mentioning was polish, send me an article if I’m incorrect I guess

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

The conversation won’t end even if it is re-legalized, also there are many states that it is still legal in, states just get to decide which I think is fair honestly. The states deciding means less federal control at least.

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

I mean, adoption and foster care are long processes for good reason I think, but I guess the limitations can be annoying, but I think maybe fixing that system shouldn’t not coexist with not killing innocent humans,

Also I was trying to use my clearly this is going no where so have a nice day as a segue to end this conversation, it might be good if both of us relaxed instead of participating in a debate that won’t further either of our points in the long run.

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

If a woman is seeking abortion, it means that she has lost hope in a search for help. She is already a mother and is in need of our support to thrive as one along with the wellbeing of her child.

Here are some resources for mothers in need of support:

Letthemlive.org

Americanpregnancy.org

Sistersoflife.org

(Please add more if you know of any!)

Well maybe I’ll adopt kids in foster care when I’m older, but foster care isn’t a part of my argument, if the kid is put up for adoption it will be wanted because specifically the adoption industry is full of parents who want to adopt, don’t have sex if you don’t want to possibly get pregnant, and killing innocent humans is like, 1000x worse than being “forced to be pregnant” which,, isn’t what it is, if you abort you already were pregnant by the way…

Either way this conversation is clearly getting no where, have a nice day I guess…

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

Consent to sex is consenting to an activity that COULD lead to pregnancy, which anyone who’s having sex should know and understand. No child deserves to not get a chance at a life because of the parents own issues, and the government doesn’t allow for murder in about any case, so killing innocent babies seems like a perfect thing to be at least regulated by the government. Killing any innocent human is wrong, regardless of the circumstances.

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

Don’t put yourself in the position to be pregnant if you don’t want to be, the only instance where mentioning that makes sense to me is in cases of rape, which to my knowledge is only the reason for around .1% of abortions. Not wanting an inconvenience still isn’t a reason to kill someone- yes I know it’s painful, but it’s still better than being ripped apart and killed man ((man as in gender-neutral man as I don’t know your gender.))

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

If it’s not wanted put it up for adoption, there’s many parents waiting to adopt, don’t just kill it. Not wanting to raise a kid doesn’t excuse killing it.

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

See I would possibly see your point if it wasn’t for the fact that you’re almost entirely sure that they’ll have brain power and honestly even within the womb babies show personality through kicks, movement, and even sucking their thumb- though I don’t remember what stage of development this is involved in I guess. I don’t think you should actively kill humans, even if they don’t have brain power, especially if they’re going to have brain power and a personality later on. I don’t think it’s just people you shouldn’t kill, I think humans in general you shouldn’t kill… sorry if this is ramble-y but I’m about to either nap or attempt to write as I am tired

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

They’re always people, a child is a human, an adult is a human, a baby is a human and so is a fetus as it is specifically a HUMAN fetus, and it’s also a person, it has brainwaves at like, 5 weeks by the way so…. Either way brain function doesn’t define something as a human or a person because as you said, someone who’s brain dead is still a person

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

Mmm would if pro life people agree with you? Will you be on our side?

Get them

Not their body, not their choice, independent dna, innocent children with no voice- yeah I’m gonna stay pro life because this sides arguments aren’t not arguments-

If you are so 'pro-life' why don't you fucking get one & stop dictating to women what THEY do with THEIR bodies?? If you are against abortion, don't have one but you don't get to take that right away from women. And you are bastard if you think that doing so is okay

Another thing to consider with the whole pro-life/pro-abortion debate is the staggering amount of people who genuinely don't think that their own life is worth living? There's a lot of near-suicidal ideation going on these days as a kind of commonplace, so a lot of people consider bringing another life into the world a kind of cruelty, even in the best of circumstances, and it shows in a lot of their arguments.

It's crazy how you dig deeper and deeper and it really comes clear how loving people unconditionally is really the only thing you can do. The pain and the hopelessness runs so damn deep.

Seeing a lot of stuff about how if Roe is overturned then hookup culture will be dead because no sensible woman wants to risk making a baby with a deadbeat and how this'll break men and I just. . .

Oh no. Imagine. Holding men to a higher standard. You got us there. That's the way to break us. Definitely haven't wanted that for forever.

Reminder, miscarriages are not the same as abortions. It is not murder. The unborn baby (fetus) dies on their own. No one is intentionally killing them. Miscarriages will never be seen as murder.

Mmm death penalty for murder, makes no sense to me I guess- and only in the cases where it’s not dangerous to the woman, so yeah, death penalty for murder of innocent lives sounds good to me actually…

Why do I only hear people talk about foster care when they want to kill babies, I don’t get this?

One of the major prolife points is you don’t take a brain dead person off of life support, especially if you know they’ll be better in nine months, also you know the fetus will get brain waves and if it doesn’t it won’t live anyways. If what you said was true I’d agree with you, but you believe something that’s false.

Prolifers say a fetus without a brain is a human and shouldn't be killed but a brain dead person can be taken of life support, makes no sense

Companies like Disney offering to pay employees who want to get abortions....like my brother you are a billion dollar company you could literally pay to support that child till they retire😭

Once again showing how pro choicers never cared about "choice" they only ever care about how a woman can get rid of a child so they don't have to bother helping women and children

To all of my pro-lifers here on tumblr:

"abortion is healthcare"

"miscarriage is like abortion"

"pregnancy kills people"