Art Only Blog of @fvaleraye, formerly the fandom AU blog run by the same. Names: Faye/Bridget/Dove/Vallie Pronouns: It/Its, Fae/Faers, She/Hers, Plural 24 Taken ❤️🌸✨ This is where we will hoard our various art and writing posts for future discovery and organization. We take art commissions. Please contact @fvaleraye if you wish to inquire.
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Fvaleraye-doodles - An Artistic Disaster - Tumblr Blog
"Wherefore is my throat so parched?"
"I beg for the mercy of The Second Kindred."
DON QUIXOTE FANS, RISE
(reblogs appreciated, all that jazz)
Apologies to all the followers who are here for fandom shit, but we are posting art of characters from our original story rn. And tomorrow? Perhaps the same.
We want. So badly to get back into creating for Scintillam, so. We wanted to start with updated refs for everyone. Of course starting with the girls. Leona's armor is constantly fucking changing, as always, but Velda has remained mostly the same.
reblogs are appreciated. all that jazz. it's original story stuff so reblogs are appreciated even more than usual actually
Ritual unlocked: Unholy Alliance. Summons a Goat
Going back and redesigning a character we don't think about often, but takes up our entire processor space when we do, is self care.
Definitely a big step up from our last drawings of them
Character uses THEY/IT, please and thank you <3
Going back and redesigning a character we don't think about often, but takes up our entire processor space when we do, is self care.
Definitely a big step up from our last drawings of them
Character uses THEY/IT, please and thank you <3
Had the random urge to design our resident jester character, Laughing Mad, as if she was in the Amazing Digital Circus. And then a few hours later, we immediately touched up the design asdflkjn
Had the random urge to design our resident jester character, Laughing Mad, as if she was in the Amazing Digital Circus. And then a few hours later, we immediately touched up the design asdflkjn
Kelly: 🌈 ⚠️ 🌧 🧁 💔 ☔️ 🧡 🐺 🌕 🦷🚷
last one wooooo *ragdolls and dies*
🌈 - Do you associate any colors with them?
light blue, like her hair :>
⚠️ - If this oc came with a warning sign, what would it be?
"Fragile", but under a blast warning sign instead of a breaking sign
🌨️ - If this oc had a day free from all their responsibilities, how would they spend it?
depending on how she's feeling, she'd either grab a couple friends and head out for a day on the town. otherwise, she's grabbing some blankets, a warm drink, nice food, and curling up on the couch with some nice shows. chillin'
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
her birthday is December 20th, and she will want to go out to restaurant with friends for it. she will insist on paying, since she "dragged everyone along", and you will have to talk her out of it
💔 - Does forgiveness come easily or with difficulty to this oc? Can they forgive others? What about themselves?
outwardly, it seems like yes. but she will have lingering trust issues long after the fact. forgiving herself is extremely difficult for her
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
if she could stomp around in the rain and splash around like she when she was a kid, she would. she still can, but she doesn't want to get looks for it
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
she is very much a hugger, but a nervous one. you might have to initiate the hug, but she will lean into it, though you do have to ofc not be a stranger for the right to do so
🐺 - How does this oc deal with solitude?
she's found ways- though someone looking in from outside will notice they look less like "things to pass the time" and more like coping mechanisms. she had a bit of an emotionally absent family
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
she would be like. some time of mustelid, like a stoat. very cute looking, but not harmless
🦷 - Would this oc ever bite someone?
we could be very funny here lets just say she absolutely would in certain situations, but not dangerous situations, and leave it at that
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
uuuuuuuuuh fuck we're always bad at thinking of answers to this- she's cis and we aren't asdflkadsf
Kelly: 🌈 ⚠️ 🌧 🧁 💔 ☔️ 🧡 🐺 🌕 🦷🚷
last one wooooo *ragdolls and dies*
🌈 - Do you associate any colors with them?
light blue, like her hair :>
⚠️ - If this oc came with a warning sign, what would it be?
"Fragile", but under a blast warning sign instead of a breaking sign
🌨️ - If this oc had a day free from all their responsibilities, how would they spend it?
depending on how she's feeling, she'd either grab a couple friends and head out for a day on the town. otherwise, she's grabbing some blankets, a warm drink, nice food, and curling up on the couch with some nice shows. chillin'
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
her birthday is December 20th, and she will want to go out to restaurant with friends for it. she will insist on paying, since she "dragged everyone along", and you will have to talk her out of it
💔 - Does forgiveness come easily or with difficulty to this oc? Can they forgive others? What about themselves?
outwardly, it seems like yes. but she will have lingering trust issues long after the fact. forgiving herself is extremely difficult for her
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
if she could stomp around in the rain and splash around like she when she was a kid, she would. she still can, but she doesn't want to get looks for it
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
she is very much a hugger, but a nervous one. you might have to initiate the hug, but she will lean into it, though you do have to ofc not be a stranger for the right to do so
🐺 - How does this oc deal with solitude?
she's found ways- though someone looking in from outside will notice they look less like "things to pass the time" and more like coping mechanisms. she had a bit of an emotionally absent family
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
she would be like. some time of mustelid, like a stoat. very cute looking, but not harmless
🦷 - Would this oc ever bite someone?
we could be very funny here lets just say she absolutely would in certain situations, but not dangerous situations, and leave it at that
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
uuuuuuuuuh fuck we're always bad at thinking of answers to this- she's cis and we aren't asdflkadsf
Conner: 👁 💙 ☕️ 🧁 💭 💔 🌊 ☔️ 🧡 🐺 🍁 🌕 🚷 📓
y'all know the drill
👁️ - How do other people perceive this oc? How close do their first assumptions come to the truth?
people usually perceive Conner as an insensitive asshole, which... isn't unfair on a first meeting? he is a dick to people he doesn't know, and has zero filter or respect. to people he's closer with, he's just a bit too honest.
💙 - Describe their bedroom! Is it personalized, unchanged? Messy, neat?
his room is a bit of a mess, but in a "too busy to clean" way and not a "too lazy to clean" way. other than that, it's usually barebones- computer, bed, desk, dresser, shelves, etc. just the essentials.
☕ - What is their preferred beverage(s)?
mostly the same as Dove's, less often. he doesn't want to be a drunkard like his uncle
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
his birthday is June 10th, and he will insist on going out for dinner.
💭 - How is their mental health? Do they struggle with guilt or shame?
he very much seems like a go with the flow kind of guy, and he kind of is. stress has a habit of bouncing off of him, he has more important things to think about. communicating that stress when it does not bounce off of him is a bit more of a struggle
💔 - Does forgiveness come easily or with difficulty to this oc? Can they forgive others? What about themselves?
oh no, if you piss Conner off enough it's almost impossible to get him to forgive you. forgiving himself is a bit easier
🌊 - Does this oc have a secret or repressed desire?
not particularly- once you get to know him, he's very open about the things he wants
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
it makes him very grumpy- he's going to be complaining the entire time
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
touch averse, but not quite to the extent of Lucille. he will tell you to piss off though
🐺 - How does this oc deal with solitude?
not well- he grew up with Dove his entire life, and he does not know what to do with himself when he's on his own
🍁 - What is this oc’s favorite season?
winter, because he hates the heat
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
unsure. probably something like a badger. unassuming looking, but dangerous
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
we both tried out being nonbinary- but Conner decided he was fine being a guy, while we kept the label
Conner: 👁 💙 ☕️ 🧁 💭 💔 🌊 ☔️ 🧡 🐺 🍁 🌕 🚷 📓
y'all know the drill
👁️ - How do other people perceive this oc? How close do their first assumptions come to the truth?
people usually perceive Conner as an insensitive asshole, which... isn't unfair on a first meeting? he is a dick to people he doesn't know, and has zero filter or respect. to people he's closer with, he's just a bit too honest.
💙 - Describe their bedroom! Is it personalized, unchanged? Messy, neat?
his room is a bit of a mess, but in a "too busy to clean" way and not a "too lazy to clean" way. other than that, it's usually barebones- computer, bed, desk, dresser, shelves, etc. just the essentials.
☕ - What is their preferred beverage(s)?
mostly the same as Dove's, less often. he doesn't want to be a drunkard like his uncle
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
his birthday is June 10th, and he will insist on going out for dinner.
💭 - How is their mental health? Do they struggle with guilt or shame?
he very much seems like a go with the flow kind of guy, and he kind of is. stress has a habit of bouncing off of him, he has more important things to think about. communicating that stress when it does not bounce off of him is a bit more of a struggle
💔 - Does forgiveness come easily or with difficulty to this oc? Can they forgive others? What about themselves?
oh no, if you piss Conner off enough it's almost impossible to get him to forgive you. forgiving himself is a bit easier
🌊 - Does this oc have a secret or repressed desire?
not particularly- once you get to know him, he's very open about the things he wants
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
it makes him very grumpy- he's going to be complaining the entire time
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
touch averse, but not quite to the extent of Lucille. he will tell you to piss off though
🐺 - How does this oc deal with solitude?
not well- he grew up with Dove his entire life, and he does not know what to do with himself when he's on his own
🍁 - What is this oc’s favorite season?
winter, because he hates the heat
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
unsure. probably something like a badger. unassuming looking, but dangerous
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
we both tried out being nonbinary- but Conner decided he was fine being a guy, while we kept the label
Lucille: 👁 🌧 💙 🧁 🧠 ✨️ ☔️ ⚡️💛🧡 🍁 🌕 🚷 📓
answers for Lucille under the cut bc Fuck(tm)
👁️ - How do other people perceive this oc? How close do their first assumptions come to the truth?
people usually perceive Lucille as very boring and quiet. she is quiet, but she's not boring, she's just very introverted and doesn't talk about the things she enjoys very often
🌨️ - If this oc had a day free from all their responsibilities, how would they spend it?
if she still paperwork do, she'd do paperwork. if not, take a nap ASDLFKJN "the whole day?" the whole day
💙 - Describe their bedroom! Is it personalized, unchanged? Messy, neat?
if she had a bedroom, it would look fairly normal. maybe a few posters, but nothing crazy. it'd be very neat either way tho. most of her personalization goes into things like her computer.
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
her birthday is May 1st, and she usually just gets a small cake for herself. or a set of cupcakes, if that's easier.
🧠 - What is their stress response: fight, flight, freeze, or fawn?
flight is usually her first response, but if the stress is paperwork then whichever one would contain "begrudging acceptance of her fate"
✨ - Tell something that makes this oc feel happy!
alone time. she rarely gets it, especially with her work, but she likes just sitting quietly and decompressing. other than that, just a warm mug of coffee will do
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
it makes her very grumpy. she has a lot of hair, and it doesn't dry easy
⚡ - Does this oc have any unusual or “irrational” fears?
nothing off the top of our head
💛 - Are they ‘good with children’, or more awkward?
she would be the first to admit that she's terrible with children, she wouldn't know what to do or say and would probably end up shutting down depending on the situation
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
not even if you're friends- maybe once or twice, but she is very touch averse and will react to attempts to violate her personal space with annoyed violence
🍁 - What is this oc’s favorite season?
fall. sweater weather
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
we imagine her as a cat, and maybe you can tell why by now
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
she has actually transitioned. we will hopefully have this in common instead of as a difference at some point
📓 - Do you associate any quotes or lyrics with this oc?
no and we are very bad at thinking of this question, so you're going to get "no" for this every time it comes up :')
Lucille: 👁 🌧 💙 🧁 🧠 ✨️ ☔️ ⚡️💛🧡 🍁 🌕 🚷 📓
answers for Lucille under the cut bc Fuck(tm)
👁️ - How do other people perceive this oc? How close do their first assumptions come to the truth?
people usually perceive Lucille as very boring and quiet. she is quiet, but she's not boring, she's just very introverted and doesn't talk about the things she enjoys very often
🌨️ - If this oc had a day free from all their responsibilities, how would they spend it?
if she still paperwork do, she'd do paperwork. if not, take a nap ASDLFKJN "the whole day?" the whole day
💙 - Describe their bedroom! Is it personalized, unchanged? Messy, neat?
if she had a bedroom, it would look fairly normal. maybe a few posters, but nothing crazy. it'd be very neat either way tho. most of her personalization goes into things like her computer.
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
her birthday is May 1st, and she usually just gets a small cake for herself. or a set of cupcakes, if that's easier.
🧠 - What is their stress response: fight, flight, freeze, or fawn?
flight is usually her first response, but if the stress is paperwork then whichever one would contain "begrudging acceptance of her fate"
✨ - Tell something that makes this oc feel happy!
alone time. she rarely gets it, especially with her work, but she likes just sitting quietly and decompressing. other than that, just a warm mug of coffee will do
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
it makes her very grumpy. she has a lot of hair, and it doesn't dry easy
⚡ - Does this oc have any unusual or “irrational” fears?
nothing off the top of our head
💛 - Are they ‘good with children’, or more awkward?
she would be the first to admit that she's terrible with children, she wouldn't know what to do or say and would probably end up shutting down depending on the situation
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
not even if you're friends- maybe once or twice, but she is very touch averse and will react to attempts to violate her personal space with annoyed violence
🍁 - What is this oc’s favorite season?
fall. sweater weather
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
we imagine her as a cat, and maybe you can tell why by now
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
she has actually transitioned. we will hopefully have this in common instead of as a difference at some point
📓 - Do you associate any quotes or lyrics with this oc?
no and we are very bad at thinking of this question, so you're going to get "no" for this every time it comes up :')
Dove: ⚠️ ☕️ 🧁❗️🌊 ☔️ 🧡 🐰 🌕 🚷
hey this is the first ask of four from emile and they're all like this, so buckle up and use the Not Art tag if you don't care asdflkasdf anyway- we're going to be assuming lobcorp standard universe for all these blorbos despite how many universes they're in. and these are going to be short answers most likely bc u've decided to drown us in emojis on all of these, so we literalyl can't get into detail without taking up way too much space on the dash asdlfkjn
edit: actually we ARE going to put these under a cut regardless of how brief we are. because this is too many emojis
⚠️ - If this oc came with a warning sign, what would it be?
"Contents under pressure" under a blast warning sign
☕ - What is their preferred beverage(s)?
sweet coffee, with a little rum. more casually, vodka. they don't have a drinking problem, they have a smoking problem /gen
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
it's January 3rd. Dove usually forgets, and doesn't care that much when they do. Conner always remembers though
❗- What are the highest priorities to this oc (at a point in their life of your choosing)?
Survival.
🌊 - Does this oc have a secret or repressed desire?
yes- the dark answer is that they have some suicidal ideation problems. the less dark answer is that they love Kelly and they have attachment issues adsflkjnasdf
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
they're neutral, they don't like it but they don't hate it. they do start to miss it after enough time in the facility, though
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
physical touch is definitely one of the fastest ways to get Dove uncomfortable in their own skin, especially if unexpected or unwanted. only if you're close to them
🐰 - How huggable is this oc?
they are definitely strong enough to do one of those hugs where they life you into the air
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
unsure- probably a wolf
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
unlike us, Dove can actually follow through on threats to beat someone's ass asdflkjn
Dove: ⚠️ ☕️ 🧁❗️🌊 ☔️ 🧡 🐰 🌕 🚷
hey this is the first ask of four from emile and they're all like this, so buckle up and use the Not Art tag if you don't care asdflkasdf anyway- we're going to be assuming lobcorp standard universe for all these blorbos despite how many universes they're in. and these are going to be short answers most likely bc u've decided to drown us in emojis on all of these, so we literalyl can't get into detail without taking up way too much space on the dash asdlfkjn
edit: actually we ARE going to put these under a cut regardless of how brief we are. because this is too many emojis
⚠️ - If this oc came with a warning sign, what would it be?
"Contents under pressure" under a blast warning sign
☕ - What is their preferred beverage(s)?
sweet coffee, with a little rum. more casually, vodka. they don't have a drinking problem, they have a smoking problem /gen
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
it's January 3rd. Dove usually forgets, and doesn't care that much when they do. Conner always remembers though
❗- What are the highest priorities to this oc (at a point in their life of your choosing)?
Survival.
🌊 - Does this oc have a secret or repressed desire?
yes- the dark answer is that they have some suicidal ideation problems. the less dark answer is that they love Kelly and they have attachment issues adsflkjnasdf
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
they're neutral, they don't like it but they don't hate it. they do start to miss it after enough time in the facility, though
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
physical touch is definitely one of the fastest ways to get Dove uncomfortable in their own skin, especially if unexpected or unwanted. only if you're close to them
🐰 - How huggable is this oc?
they are definitely strong enough to do one of those hugs where they life you into the air
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
unsure- probably a wolf
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
unlike us, Dove can actually follow through on threats to beat someone's ass asdflkjn
Originally this was going to be vent art but we literally forgot what we were mad about halfway through drawing it.
So, reaction image we guess.
Originally this was going to be vent art but we literally forgot what we were mad about halfway through drawing it.
So, reaction image we guess.
emojis oc ask game! These are unabashedly just the questions *I* want to ask about y’all’s ocs. Feel free to copy the entire question into the ask box, because this list is hefty and I wouldn’t mind not searching through it, hahaha. Remember to specify which oc(s) you’re asking about!
🌈 - Do you associate any colors with them?
👁️ - How do other people perceive this oc? How close do their first assumptions come to the truth?
💝 - How much effort do they put into appearances? Do they have a favorite article of clothing?
⚠️ - If this oc came with a warning sign, what would it be?
🌨️ - If this oc had a day free from all their responsibilities, how would they spend it?
💙 - Describe their bedroom! Is it personalized, unchanged? Messy, neat?
👖 - Coffee shop or high school AU, your choice: tell me their role.
☕ - What is their preferred beverage(s)?
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
🧠 - What is their stress response: fight, flight, freeze, or fawn?
💭 - How is their mental health? Do they struggle with guilt or shame?
💔 - Does forgiveness come easily or with difficulty to this oc? Can they forgive others? What about themselves?
❗- What are the highest priorities to this oc (at a point in their life of your choosing)?
⚔️ - How does this oc handle conflict?
🌍 - What are this oc’s religious views?
🌊 - Does this oc have a secret or repressed desire?
✨ - Tell something that makes this oc feel happy!
🧶 - Do they do any arts, crafts, or creative hobbies?
🍪 - What are their favorite scents?
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
🌲 - Do they have a favorite location to hang out in?
⚡ - Does this oc have any unusual or “irrational” fears?
🗡️ - Does this oc have a signature object, accessory, or weapon?
💛 - Are they ‘good with children’, or more awkward?
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
👁️🗨️ - Eye contact: good or bad for this oc?
🐺 - How does this oc deal with solitude?
🔅 - How does this oc deal with physical pain?
🌱 - Share one of this oc’s early memories.
🐰 - How huggable is this oc?
🍁 - What is this oc’s favorite season?
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
🦷 - Would this oc ever bite someone?
🐉 - Very serious question… are they more like a dragon, or a unicorn?
🐸 - What’s this oc’s sense of humor like?
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
📓 - Do you associate any quotes or lyrics with this oc?
emojis oc ask game! These are unabashedly just the questions *I* want to ask about y’all’s ocs. Feel free to copy the entire question into the ask box, because this list is hefty and I wouldn’t mind not searching through it, hahaha. Remember to specify which oc(s) you’re asking about!
🌈 - Do you associate any colors with them?
👁️ - How do other people perceive this oc? How close do their first assumptions come to the truth?
💝 - How much effort do they put into appearances? Do they have a favorite article of clothing?
⚠️ - If this oc came with a warning sign, what would it be?
🌨️ - If this oc had a day free from all their responsibilities, how would they spend it?
💙 - Describe their bedroom! Is it personalized, unchanged? Messy, neat?
👖 - Coffee shop or high school AU, your choice: tell me their role.
☕ - What is their preferred beverage(s)?
🧁 - When is their birthday? How do they celebrate it, if at all?
🧠 - What is their stress response: fight, flight, freeze, or fawn?
💭 - How is their mental health? Do they struggle with guilt or shame?
💔 - Does forgiveness come easily or with difficulty to this oc? Can they forgive others? What about themselves?
❗- What are the highest priorities to this oc (at a point in their life of your choosing)?
⚔️ - How does this oc handle conflict?
🌍 - What are this oc’s religious views?
🌊 - Does this oc have a secret or repressed desire?
✨ - Tell something that makes this oc feel happy!
🧶 - Do they do any arts, crafts, or creative hobbies?
🍪 - What are their favorite scents?
☔ - How does this oc feel about rain?
🌲 - Do they have a favorite location to hang out in?
⚡ - Does this oc have any unusual or “irrational” fears?
🗡️ - Does this oc have a signature object, accessory, or weapon?
💛 - Are they ‘good with children’, or more awkward?
🧡 - Physical touch: good or bad for this oc?
👁️🗨️ - Eye contact: good or bad for this oc?
🐺 - How does this oc deal with solitude?
🔅 - How does this oc deal with physical pain?
🌱 - Share one of this oc’s early memories.
🐰 - How huggable is this oc?
🍁 - What is this oc’s favorite season?
🌕 - If this oc was an animal, what kind would they be?
🦷 - Would this oc ever bite someone?
🐉 - Very serious question… are they more like a dragon, or a unicorn?
🐸 - What’s this oc’s sense of humor like?
🚷 - Tell one difference between yourself and this oc!
📓 - Do you associate any quotes or lyrics with this oc?
heyyyyyyyy so we've managed to fall behind on saving money due to a variety of reasons. so, unsurprisingly... we are once again asking for your financial assistance. this never got us anywhere! however there are literally no other options, so :)
anyway, we'd like to try and get at least $300 over the next 2 months(as of posting this) or so. if that's possible or feasible. because not only would this make up for the money we lost, it would also put us a bit ahead of the curve, assuming nothing else happens. all our various links are in the pinned post, and our comm sheet is in the blog description. you can just donate to us or pay us money in exchange for art. if you can't do any of those things, reblogs are appreciated *lays on the floor*
Hello, we’re Faye, and we are once again opening commissions.
We take payment though invoices- upfront, we will not start working on the drawing until we receive said payment. Just DM us if you would like a commission, either here on @fvaleraye or on our discord. Any and all help is greatly appreciated, if you can’t afford a commission maybe consider reblogging and sharing this around. We also have a Patreon, if that’s more to your liking- $10 Patreons get a free fullbody, single character sketch request every month. (Equivalent to the $20 clean sketch/colorless fullbody option above)
Hello, we’re Faye, and we are once again opening commissions.
We take payment though invoices- upfront, we will not start working on the drawing until we receive said payment. Just DM us if you would like a commission, either here on @fvaleraye or on our discord. Any and all help is greatly appreciated, if you can’t afford a commission maybe consider reblogging and sharing this around. We also have a Patreon, if that’s more to your liking- $10 Patreons get a free fullbody, single character sketch request every month. (Equivalent to the $20 clean sketch/colorless fullbody option above)
Wanted to revisit the design of a warforged druid we still want to use in a game one of these days... mixed feelings on the art itself, but we're happier with the design