Can We Skip The Angst And Have Them Forgive Each Other, Thanks

Can we skip the angst and have them forgive each other, thanks

Unofficial vs. official translation of the line about the girl Father saw Izanami as in the Underworld

Two translations with two wildly different meanings with way different connotations 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Goryoujin: what’s the deal with Father? (89-2 edition) - Part 1

(Part 1 - here) (Part 2)

Me for like a year now, halfway joking: father reminds of an onryo haha Adachitoka, crashing through the ceiling: guess what MOTHERFUCKER

As always, Father backstory is living in my mind rent free so in this post, I’ll be talking about goryou(jin), onryo, asserting some facts, asking some questions, talking a lot, but most importantly, I’ll be begging Adachitoka to get the foreplay over with already and give. us. a. FLASHBACK. (please)

Dated: 08/07/2020 Word count: 4426

Ramblings under the cut!

The Facts: What We Know (And What We Don’t)

A little bit wordy but I just wanted to sum up all the relevant information we have so far.

Father was, without a shadow of a doubt, human. 

According to Ebisu’s mask data, he lived 1100~ years ago. This would put the beginning of the timeline at around 900~ CE, which is right smack in the middle of the Heian period (794 - 1185). 

The Sakura flashbacks take place in and around the old capital of Heian (modern day Kyoto). The manga explicitly mentions the outer street of Kujo (Chapter 46 - official translation, page 14). The exact year is unknown but it’s likely to be after 947 (the year when the construction of Kitano Tenmangu, the shrine dedicated to Sugawara no Michizane we see in the flashbacks, was completed) but before 986 (when Sugawara no Michizane is officially deified as “Tenjin”).

He was very likely a Buddhist priest, judging by the simple motsuke koromo over a white kosode he wears in the flashbacks (the attire of your run-of-the-mill priest in the Heian period); the lingo + imagery associated with him (karma, Liberation, Chiki’s shakujou form) are strongly tied to Buddhist concepts.

He entered Yomi (in what way - by dying or by physically entering - is unclear), was given the first Koto-no-Ha by Izanami, then escaped via an unspecified “loophole” which allowed his soul to be called from Yomi by an unknown person. Real name used in the soul call is unknown. 

Izanami - who takes the appearance of the person closest to the viewer - appeared to him as a woman with a pockmarked face, which he lost to an unspecified natural disaster caused by a god(s). This is implied to have fueled his grudge against the Heavens: “Your ilk gets off scot-free for everything you do. But who do you think forgives the debt? People do. No matter how much you take from them, how much you walk all over them. I can’t forgive any of you. Not the gods… or any of the idiots who forgive them.”

After his death, it seems he became something akin to a goryoujin/onryo - either way, in his current state he’s neither god nor human but a “nonexistent creature abandoned by Heaven” whose escape from Yomi trapped him in an eternal cycle of reincarnation into other peoples’ bodies, which he doesn’t get to choose. 

He killed gods before realizing that it’s all pointless unless those who put their faith in the gods all died as well.

Although his exact motive for learning how to tame ayakashi is unclear, he states the following when Bishamon faces off with Heaven wielding Nana: “You have something you want to protect, even if it means being forsaken by the Heavens. You’ll do whatever it takes, even if it means following the path of disgrace and dishonor. You’re so predictable, Bishamon. You’re starting to remind me of me.” (Chapter 64 - official translation, page 25)

He named Mizuchi with the Koto-no-Ha.

As far as we know, Yato was born from Father’s one powerful wish, “the only wish [he] has ever been able to wish in [his] entire life”: to cull the herd. He gives him the name “Yaboku” - meaning “night diviner” - when he catches a star falling from Kanoto to Tori. This strongly suggests Father’s knowledge of the Chinese astrology system, as hinted at by the 28 Lunar Mansions illustrated on the cover of Volume 12 (Chinese astrology lore such as the 7 Big Dipper Stars, 9 Luminaries, 28 Lunar Mansions, and 36 Animals were all imported to Japan in the 6th century and later integrated into the esoteric Shingon and Tendai branches of Japanese Buddhism in the mid to late Heian period).

What is a “goryoujin”? (Infodump Part 2)

If you try to google “goryoujin”, “goryojin”, or any variation of this particular word in English, you won’t get any results (that are relevant, anyway). The word “goryoujin” seems to actually be a regional variant of the word goryō 御霊, literally meaning “honorable ghost” with the kanji for “god” 神 tacked on at the end. For the sake of cohesion, I’ll be using goryō from this point forth when talking about mythical goryō outside the context of Noragami.

Emerging in the early Heian period, the word goryō referred to the spirits of aristocrats who had died due to political causes (much like Tenjin, who is himself considered a goryō) and turned into wrathful spirits who carried out their vengeance against the public, causing things like epidemics, wars, and natural disasters. The ancient nobility would then honor these spirits as goryō (thus the name “honorable spirit”) to placate their wrath and turn them into benevolent guardians to bring peace to society (though some sources claim that not all goryō were vengeful spirits); this practice became known as goryō shinko 御霊信仰.

However, over time, the word goryō expanded its horizons - instead of just nobles being venerated due to fears about their wrath, any wrathful ghosts powerful enough could be honored as a goryō by people who feared that they might come back to take vengeance. This much-feared type of yokai 妖怪 is called an onryo 怨霊 (lit. “wrathful ghost”, “grudge ghost”) and any person who died an untimely, particularly grisly, or unnatural death or carried a powerful emotion to the grave (anger, hatred, grief, even intense love turned into jealousy) could become an onryo. Those who were thought to carry a risk of becoming such a spirit would have particular care and respect devoted to their burial and resting place to minimize the possibility of their spirit coming back into the world of the living. (However, it should be noted that most onryo are ghosts of women and very rarely men - and when the spirits of men manifest, it’s usually because of political disputes, grudges, or dying in wars. Adachitoka going for that trope reversal again?)

Onryo have one goal and one goal only in their cursed afterlife: to enact vengeance on those who had wronged them while alive. They are capable of causing harm to those in the world of the living, including physical injury, illness, misfortune, death, and even natural disasters.

Though the strength of an onryo’s curse varies on a case by case basis, they are regarded as incredibly powerful ghosts. Nothing illustrates this better than the Nihon san dai kaidan 日本三大怪談 or Japan’s Three Great Ghost Stories, telling three separate tales of yokai haunting the living: Banchō Sarayashiki 番町皿屋敷 (The Dish Manor at Banchou - Okiku), Botan Dōrō 牡丹燈籠 (Peony Lantern - Otsuyu), and Yotsuya Kaidan 四谷怪談 (The Ghost Story of Yotsuya - Oiwa). Two of the three stories here center around an onryo (Okiku and Oiwa respectively). I won’t go into details about the stories of Otsuyu and Oiwa here (they’re easily found online if you’re interested) but it should be noted that, even to this day, the crews involved in any production of Oiwa’s story (film, plays, you name it) first pay respects to her grave in Tokyo before beginning work since misfortune, physical harm, and even death is said to befall those who are involved in retellings of her story - that’s how feared the power of a truly vengeful onryo is.

*While the English side of the internet didn’t yield any results for “goryoujin”, I did search it in Japanese and from what I could read with my sucky reading skills and a dictionary, the concept was the same as what I’ve read about goryō in English.

Continued here.

Anyone still remembers my Noragami fanfiction ’As Fate Would Have It‘ ?

I have no idea if this is going to go anywhere so no promises, but I’ve gone ahead and turned the first chapter into a comic script. 🙈

Maybe I can manage to realize this project. AFWHI has been the only long term thing that I have really committed to and I’d love to breathe new life into it. 😊

Would you guys be interested in a comic like that?

JLPT Level: N1

Three JLPT words in a row? What is happening?

Okay. I knew going in that this kanji wasn’t going to have a very cheerful etymology because of its meaning, but it’s way, way darker than I had imagined. Brace yourselves for some pretty morbid stuff.

嘆 is made of two parts: 口 (mouth) and 漢 without the ⺡. Generally, 漢 represents “China.” But not in this kanji. Ohhhhh no. Strap yourselves in.

In ancient Japan, many different sacrifices were made to different gods, and when there were famines due to drought, miko (Shinto shrine priestesses) were burned alive as human sacrifices.

The 漢 part of this kanji represents 旱魃 Kanbatsu, which can mean either “drought” or “the God of Drought.” 

So if you put mouth 口 and the God of Drought 漢 without the ⺡together, you get, “a cry to the God of Drought.”

Nowadays, I would say that almost no Japanese people know about the dark rituals this kanji alludes to. This word is used most often for grieving or mourning, though, so there is still a connection to death. 

Okay, I don't have the panel at hand but there is something that Kiun told Kazuma once, that if the master dies, the hafuri is lost as well.

A lot of people took this as "if the master dies, so does the hafuri" but that's clearly not true - Arahabaki was reincarnated and yet Nana lived. It probably means that a hafuri is a hafuri only for their master AND the specific incarnation they became hafuri for - so while Yukine, Kazuma, and Nana are undeniably strong vessels for any holder, they're not hafuri for anyone but the master they became hafuri for.

so when a hafuri becomes a nora, are they still a “hafuri” when used by their new master or are they just regular Shinki for them?

because I thought that once they become a hafuri, they are hafuri for all of their masters, which is why trash dad wanted Yukine. but then I remembered this…

or was Yato referring to something else by “former”?