Reblogging A Second Time Cause I Thought About It And Have Way More To Add.

reblogging a second time cause i thought about it and have way more to add.

the fact alone that the series is just way too repetitive. the duffers are mid-writers at best and the most they know how to do every season is introduce a lovable, nonproblematic new character they can kill off for no reason for the sad factor, and a bigger bad guy. they're way to afraid to kill off any of their precious main characters. max's "death scene" was actually pretty emotional and could've made way for new character depth for lucas, but nope, they brought her back for no reason. same with hoppers "death scene", it was actually pretty good but nope look at that hes alive.

like op said, the duffers clearly dont value any of their diverse characters. almost all of them are there for brownie points. if robin was actually valued and not just comedic releif, shed have an actual love interest that wasnt sloppy seconds. and i love byler just as much as all of you, but we know damn well the duffers are gonna give us one kiss at most just so they can go "omg look what we did!!!!!!!" if byler had any real chance at being endgame, an actual romace arc would've started way earlier instead of the duffers continuously expanding mikes heterosexual romance while dragging will through the dirt. especially in s4 the duffers had a lot of chances to bring in genuine diverse characters that added to the plot and the storyline, and they chose a drug dealer 20yo super senior who hangs out with freshmen and a latino guy who just shoves the comedic releif down your throat.

the fact that milevin alone is stupid and never should have happened. el barely knows how to pick out clothes for herself, and we're just getting her figuring out what kind of hobbies shes liked after being isolated her entire life, but oh yeah she can totally have a boyfriend. that romance arc destroyed their characters, they turned mike into a moody asshole whos completely dragging his "best friend" through the dirt, and they turned el into this weird girlboss superhero whos entire chacter revolves around her boyfriend.

the duffers have no idea what they're doing with the lore. every season is just look at the bigger bad guy. and what especially pisses me off is what they did with the other kids from the lab. i know a lot of people hated the chicago arc in s2, and i agree it couldve gone a lot better (preferably without making el alomst murder one of her abusers) but it also opened a door for a line of diverse, cool chacters with different abilities and attributes from the lab. a door the duffers picked up and threw in the trash. they decided to screw that and just make a line of carbon coppies of el (but oh no!! they're mean and they bullied her!!!! poor el :( )

i know i could probably think of more but im gonna leave this at that. i do love the show, but i cant even force myself to keep watching the later seasons. they had a perfectly good 1 season show that they expanded and dragged out and completely destroyed. sorry for any spelling mistakes !

Vent post y'all are gonna hate me for.

I viscerally hate how the Duffers treat most of their non white or queer characters and I hate even more viscerally, how y'all big byler blogs in your circle jerk of other 5 big byler blogs casually like to ignore many red flags the show has.

Y'all like to say: "tHe DufFeRs ArE gReAt WrIteRs" and it's like girl, who are you lying to??? They aren't top shit writers at all. The Duffers are pretty mid imo. Yeah, they run a good show that's fun to watch and theorize abt , but that doesn't mean they're good writers cuz they're not.

1. they completely side lined Will during s3 for the sake of their straight romances: lumax, jancy, mlvn, duzie and partly stobin (even if stobin wasn't endgame, thankfully, Steve's intentions were clearly wanting to date Robin and they gave it a lot of screen time). Will was sidelined bc he didn't fit the straight romance plotline bc they planned to make him gay or whatever. Now in s4 Will and his feelings have been used as mlvn toilet paper. Yes, we like to say this is build up for byler but canonically, Will's feelings have been used to clean the shit mlvn leaves behind.

2. Billy was sympathized a lot during the last 2 seasons. They gave him the sad backstoryTM in order for ppl to feel sorry for him. Billy's backstory is literally Jonathan's but whatever.

3. El's anger issues are constantly girlboss-ified. They down play her bullying situation and literally just use it for El to be a ''girlboss" without realizing how triggering that is. As someone who has lived bullying, seeing it be ignored by canon and fanon is super sad. The whole Rink-O' Mania experience must have been so traumatizing for her yet, everyone absolutely forgets abt it 🤷🏻‍♀️

4. Robin, Erica and Argyle are stereotypical characters. Robin is the quirky lesbian with social anxiety, Erica is the badass black woman and Argyle is the Latino stoner that sells weed to white kids and works as a pizza delivery guy.

5. Altho Argyle and Eddie both do drugs, (Eddie actually sells K-12 to a minor and nobody batted an eye. He has a huge fan base). Eddie is held in a pedestal bc "poor thing 🥺 he lives in a trailer with his uncle 🥺". Tell me a single fact you know abt Argyle that isn't "he smokes weed", "he is Jonathan's only friend", "drives a van" and "he works at a pizzeria". Exactly, Eddie is given a useless backstory and Argyle isn't.

6. Dustin stopped being important to the plot sometime around s2 and s3. He is only there to curse and be mildly funny. My guy needs to hangout with ppl his age cuz he only hangs out with seniors.

7. El needs to stop having so much "I'M THAT BITCH" screentime like I need in s5 for El's arc to not just be her becoming more powerful and falling in love with Mike. I need the Duffers to explore her trauma and problems.

8. Angela should have been run over by the van.

9. Patrick should have been given a backstory that isn't the basic "strict black parents that hit their kids cuz they are a disgrace". Patrick's backstory is actually racist af, fight w the wall.

10. As Lex already said, they didn't trigger tag the ep where Jason and his friends assault Lucas and Erica. Like wtf? Why was that necessary? Why did I have to see a black boy being held at gunpoint by some white guy?? Was it relevant to the plot?? I don't think so. And then I've got to see ppl online be like "Jason wasn't that bad. He was just mourning" like bitch you can stfu. This is what happens when you make the racist assholes conventionally attractive.

Also the fact that Lucas's arc is fulfilled by him fist-fighting Jason and "embracing his weirdness" aka accepting he is black. His arc was not fulfilled at all cuz that ending spoke so loud to me. It showed how little empathy ppl have towards the struggles poc ppl living in the Midwest have. Y'all circle jerks can only see racism when it's super obvious.

Furthermore, parents complained when ST showed "an excessive amount of smoking" yet nobody batted an eye when Billy tried to run over Lucas, when Erica (an 11 y.o ffs) was chased by white kids or when Lucas was held at gunpoint by Jason.

All of this happened while they focused on Max's guilt and mourning that, yeah, are important but certainly not less important than racism!!!

11. In s3, they gave us that whole Nancy vs The Bigots arc that was honestly just triggering and useless. It didn't help Nancy's character at all, quite the opposite it put unnecessary angst.

12. Lonnie being presented as an abuser just for him to never be spoken of again. Can we please get to explore the trauma he left the Byers's with?

13. The fact that both queer relationships are considered "sloppy seconds" is extremely sad. Both Vickie and Mike are rebounding from their failed relationship with Robin and Will. These 2 ships have caused more commotion than Jancy and Jopper together! (These last ships are technically sloppy seconds too but everybody forgets that. Shocker!!)

14. Last but not least, ppl blame Argyle for being the one to get Jonathan into smoking weed as if Jonathan probably wasn't the one looking for it. Let me tell you, that you only find weed if you look for it.