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So, This Is How I Envision Book!Dennis From Night Of The Living Dummy. Not Much Was Given Except He Had
So, this is how I envision Book!Dennis from Night of the living dummy. Not much was given except he had a green torn turtleneck sweater and one fading eye.
((Also have that headcanon that Dennis is from France hhh-)
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listen idk why people always bring up nevilleās parents being tortured when theyāre talking about the boggart scene (e.g.Ā āneville is more terrified of SNAPE even though his PARENTS were TORTUREDā you know). likeā¦. yāall. letās list out why thatās Not Relevent to the Discussion, shall we?
a) we donāt know how much thirteen-year-old neville knows about his parents or their torture. nobody ever brings up how often they visit, when augusta told neville about it, how much detail she went into, and so on. i can assume that he probably does know, but we donāt know how much detail.
b) this is like sayingĀ āharry is scared of DEMENTORS even though his PARENTS were BRUTALLY MURDEREDā shockingly enough even though something bad happens to you or a person you love, it doesnāt automatically mean itās going to be the thing you fear most. some of those kids have probably lost family members to the war. hell, remus lupinās entire friend group either died or went to azkaban and heās still more scared of his lycanthropy.Ā
c) even if neville knows the details, that doesnāt mean heās FRIGHTENED per se. nothing about him suggests that he sees (or has ever seen) bellatrix lestrange as a boogeyman. (possibly similar to the way harry isnāt ever really frightened of voldemortā¦.?) esp at thirteen, heās probably pretty removed from the actual thing that happened - he lives with the aftereffects, but the actual torture isnāt something thatās necessarily going to be clear or real to him.Ā
d) snape is literally right there. right there! heās in the room TWO SECONDS before remus asks neville what heās frightened of. of course heās the first thing that pops into nevilleās head! (followed closely by his grandma whoĀ treats him prettyĀ terribly too lmao)
d.5) whatās neville going to say instead?Ā āwell actually professor, iāmĀ terrified of the woman who tortured my parents into insanity?ā
e) iāve said this before, but neville dispels the boggart in two tries. boggarts! do not show! your ultimate greatest fear! they show A fear. and the deeper the fear, the harder it is to banish. which is why harry canāt banish his boggart with anything less than the actual spell to get rid of dementors and molly weasleyĀ canāt banish her boggart on her own either. thoseĀ are deep fears. nevilleās (and all the other children in here) is a childish fear - that doesnāt make it less real, but it also doesnāt make it traumatic and soul-scarring.Ā
i justā¦ feel like this is anotherĀ āgotcha!ā argument that people try, but it doesnāt make sense to me. fears arenāt cut and dry and logical? just bc the boggart is snape doesnāt mean that snape is more deeply traumatizing than nevilleāsĀ parentsā torture? the entire thing is meant to be read as a joke so when will the antis let me live and stop using this scene toĀ āproveā that snape abuses childrenā¦.?
F) neville: pls donāt turn into my nan either sheās scary af
G) Neville was a sensitive child and it totally makes sense to be afraid of someone like Snape when you are insecure.
H) Why is that we never talk about the fact that Neville doesnt want it to turn into his Grandmother? Cause I feel like that is a lot more telling than him being afraid of a scary teacher. Like there is a high chance had Snape not had just been there the Boggart could have also taken McGonagalls shape as well since she is equally as intimidating & scary to Neville as well.
I) You know that super widely accepted theory that Hermioneās boggart isnāt really her failing her third year exams, but a deeper fear of failure and/or a fear of not fitting into the wizarding world?
Itās 100% fanon, but it makes a lot of sense a) because thatās human psychology for you, and b) because the boggart has to represent the fear somehow, it has to āembodyā it.
So now, letās take a look at Neville. His family treated him pretty terribly to try to squeeze magic out of him when they thought he was a squib, right? I mean, they put him in danger of death to get his magic to manifest itself. So, in Nevilleās experience, being useless at magic is about the worst you can be. Your own family would rather see you dead than see you turn out a squib. Being useless at magic means your uncle Algie dangles you upside down from a window (and drops you accidentally, but never mind that).
And then Neville goes to Hogwarts and meets the harsh, abrasive teacher that is Professor Snape. Professor Snape, who points out all his faults and shortcomings. Mind you, so does McGonagall, but while she can be strict, Snape is the one whoās nasty about it.
I think itās more than plausible that, same as McGonagall telling her she failed represents Hermioneās fear of failing as a witch, Snapeās blunt criticisms represent for Neville a real threat of being rejected by his family and/or being put in threat of death. Again.
And so, the boggart takes on Snapeās form to represent Nevilleās deeper fears, and not because Snape is actually so dreadful that he is the main fear-trigger to a boy whose parents were tortured into insanity and who was threatened and outright abused by his own family for not being to produce magic early enough.
You have to admit - thatās a more plaubisble fear for Neville, especially since Snape has never actually done anything to him (I canāt say this loud enough) in the two years and a bit heās been his teacher, whereas failing at magic has already had unpleasant consequences.
J) Ok, I know this is already long, but I think we also have to look at this scene from outside canon. We can ignore all this psycho-babble about fears and whatnot, and take a look at what JKR wanted to show her readers.
I think the main point of the boggart scene, apart from giving an early clue regarding Lupinās lycanthropy, is to show how Harry is not like other kids.
Other kids have fears typical of kids. Sticking to canon, without interpreting anything, weāre shown a mummy, a banshee, a rat, a snake, a bloodshot eye (wtf), an amputated hand (again, wtf), a spider, a nasty teacher (Snape), and failing every subject. Honestly, these sound either like specific phobias that could happen to anyone given certain circumstances, or terrors from stories or films (actually, Hermioneās fear is the one that shows the most maturity).
But not Harry. Harryās worst fears are the dementors. Fear itself, as Lupin says. And all this goes to show is that Harry isnāt like others. He has a tragic past. He has a shabby childhood. He has already had two near-death experiences while at school. Harryās boggart shows that heās been forced into a maturity that doesnāt correspond to his age, and that heās been able to step up to the situation. He can no longer afford childish fears like teachers or grades, because there are very real threats both in his past and in his future.
This is a point that canāt be made if instead of Snape you show Nevilleās uncle threatening to drop him from a window, or his parents dribbling down their chins in St. Mungoās, or if instead of McGonagall you show Hermioneās friends and teachers spitting at her as she leaves Hogwarts in shame, with her wand snapped, or if instead of spiders you show Ginnyās lifeless body lying in the Chamber, or even if instead of the bloodshot eye you show say, Lavenderās uncle with bloodshot eyes, a bottle of vodka, and an erection.Ā
[reverting back to in-canon analysis, what the fuck was Lupin thinking? He shields Harry from the boggart, but what about all the other kids? What if the boggart had really become Lavenderās uncle with an erection in front of the whole class?]
So I think thereās definitely an element of downplaying other kidsā fears to show just how horrible Harryās situation really is. Nevilleās boggart, from a story telling point of view, is part of that, and not so much a point about Snape.
And honestly, all of Harryās character growth in the first two books is basically lost if all you get from this scene is āasdflglkw the greasy git omg he tortured neville in class, RIP in Pieces greaseballā.
i love you so much honestly this is the greatest addition iāve ever gotten on a nevilleās boggart postĀ
because!!! iāve never actually considered that the boggart might show fear representations. which is sad, because the text literally tells us that it does (harryās fear isĀ āfear itselfā not just dementorsā¦ lupinās fear is not the moon but his lycanthropy which it represents). so itās such an excellent point that nevilleās fear isnāt snape himself, but what snape represents to him - failure and lack of magical talent, which snape is always mean to neville about. but! neville didnāt get that fear of failure and lack of magical talent from snape - he got it from his family (his uncle! throws him from a window! his grandma says over and over that heās not as talented as his parents). which so easily explains! why snape and nevilleās grandma are so linked together for him that his mind immediatelyĀ jumps to augustaĀ when talking about being afraid of snape. they both represent failure/lack of talent to himā¦. and the difference between them is that while snape may reinforce those fears, augusta (and the rest of nevilleās family) is the one who gaveĀ him those fears.Ā
(you could carry on to discuss how neville fears lack of talent potentially bc of his parents even - if theyāre so proficient, as augusta always says, and they still end up tortured and madā¦. or connect it to neville being afraid that his family wonāt love him or care about him if heās not proficient in magic e.g.Ā ālike his parentsāā¦. which connects really nicely thematically back to how harry is always tied to the memory of his parents, but for harry itās in a really positive way.)
anyway the point, as all of this extremely lovely analysis is saying, is that when you leave the reading solelyĀ atĀ āsnape is nevilleās greatest fear, snape traumatized neville so muchā youāre a) ignoring and/or passing over a lot of nevilleās kind of shitty backstory which explains why heās so nervous and timid to begin with and b) failing to understand the entire point of the scene itself, which is really more about harryāsĀ connection to fear and maturity than about neville. neville is another kid in this scene, with another kid fear. his fear of snape is not unusual or dramatic even in the context of the scene itself (everyone laughs about it, even neville. lupin doesnāt seem concerned at all about it - wouldnāt he, if neville is deeply traumatized?). harryāsĀ fear is meant to be the unusual/dramatic one in this sceneā¦. because harry has been through more shit than all of these kids and thus has more mature fears.
anyway. i bolded the parts i especially loved but really i loved all of it bc what a great thoughtful careful reading of this scene!!!!! thatās what critical analysis looks like people.Ā
Severus Snape is such an awful person. I donāt understand how people can like him after everything that heās done. Remember the time he gave an eleven-year-old child a pigās tail because the childās FATHER said something that made him mad? Wait. Never mind. That was Hagrid.
But he DID remove a kidās bones from his arm and later tried to wipe two kidsā memories. How could anyone forgive THAT? Shoot, I forgot. That was Gilderoy Lockhart.
Remember the time Snape made Neville sleep in the hallway when an alleged mass murderer was on the loose INSIDE THE SCHOOL? What a fucking dick. But shit. Someone just told me that was McGonagall.
Remember when Snape treated Hermione like shit because he thought she broke Dracoās heart by showing interest in Harry? Wow, what an asshole. Yikes, Iām wrong once again. That was Molly Weasley when she thought Hermione broke Harryās heart by showing interest in Viktor Krum.
But Snape scarred a girlās face when she gave the Order of the Phoenix information about the Death Eaters! Can you tell me he isnāt a terrible person now? Ugh, why do I keep forgetting things? That was Hermione Granger scarring Marietta Edgecombeās face for giving Dolores Umbridge information about Dumbledoreās Army.
Wait, I have it. The absolute worst things Snape ever did. HE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED A FELLOW STUDENT FOR FUN. FOR A LAUGH. āBECAUSE HE EXISTED.ā AND WHEN HIS CRUSH INTERVENED, HE TOLD HER HE WOULD CURSE HER IF SHE DIDNāT GO OUT WITH HIM. HE ALSO TOLD HER HE WOULD LEAVE HER FRIEND ALONE IF SHE WENT OUT WITH HIM. HE EVEN COMPARED HIS CRUSH TO A SNITCH FOR HIM TO CATCH, WHAT AN OBJECTIFYING MISOGYNIST. AND HE ATTEMPTED TO MURDER THAT SAME KID TOO. Waitā¦wait. Are you really telling me that Iām wrong here too? Okay, youāre right. Youāre right. It was James Potter who sexually assaulted the kid and treated his crush like shit and Sirius Black who attempted to murder him. And guess who that kid was? Severus Snape.
āBut Snape joined the Death Eaters! He was mean to his students!ā Both of these things are true. However, they do not discount all the good Snape did, especially because the bad the other characters here did doesnāt seem to discount the good they did.