The "human Heart In Conflict With Itself"

The "human heart in conflict with itself"

More often than not, when I see or experience an exchange with somebody arguing that Jon and Dany are "more interesting" as enemies/"rivals", that person ends up being a Jonsa.

For instance, this is a classic view:

It's funny how many who would identify themselves as a Jonsa fan would say the same of Jonerys: "more interesting" as enemies, as "rivals", as antagonists. No "stale bread conflictless romance" for Jonsas!... Unless it's Jonsa, that is. These are the same people saying Jon will come back hyper fixated on protecting Sansa, reset his personal preferences and characteristics, will play "Beast" to Sansa's "Beauty", the "Prince Eric" to Sansa's "Ariel", and will literally manifest Sansa's happily ever after (or Sansa must sadly and gracefully let go of it and her love Jon as a selfless sacrifice for the independence of the North...) Jonsa fantasies aside, what exactly makes an antagonistic relationship between two strangers "interesting"? What dynamic exists here? It's just, at its most passionate, hate. There's no contrasting emotion, no push and pull, no exchange with another set of feelings. It's just one thing -- bad. Even if Jon found out he and Ramsay were blood related, I don't think Jon is going to have much of an inner conflict over killing the guy. This is the only "humanity" Jonsas allow Jon where Dany is concerned (a bit of shame of kinslaying), which I think is telling. More telling still is how Jonsas want Jon to deal with this and Dany: to sexually exploit, use, abuse, deceive Dany before deciding to coldly kill & dispose of her. And this is one of their leading theories. Most, if not all, of their theories depend on Dany going dark/"mad" -- they seem to involve more of Dany than Sansa. Sansa's chapters have both positive and negative contexts when 'sweet' is used but who's going around claiming how this means Sansa will be betrayed by a lover and killed by his hand? Yet, for Dany, this means Jon will betray her with a knife to the back during their intimacy so he can marry Sansa.

The word 'shadow' has been used 657 times in ASOIAF throughout all POVs and chapters -- it has been used descriptively, to convey mystery, uncertainty, it can be physical blocked light or a metaphor. In Jon's case, it's often used in terms of his mysterious/uncertain/unknown identity. But who cares? When it comes to Dany, it now means betrayal and ulterior motive and Pol!Jon. Jon will betray her with a knife to the back during their intimacy so he can marry Sansa. Sansa throws a feast for the nobles with a lemon cake "just for her" while famine spreads across the country? Queen. Dany feels hungry in the middle of nowhere, malnourished, and feverish? And the wolf cry didn't stop her from being hungry? She's Aerys come again. That's why it'll be a-ok when Jon will betray her with a knife to the back during their intimacy so he can marry Sansa.

But seriously, I don't have any expectation that Jon/Dany would be without conflict, especially in ASOIAF because it's GRRM and things are messy. However, ASOIAF's relationships are always full of emotion, though, and that's what I'd expect and really love to read. Lots and lots of emotions, conflicting, confusing, surprising, fun fun emotions. Jon and Dany are both very young and they're both pretty scarred with one currently dead. And you know, maybe it's Dany who'd have the issue with Jon rather than Jon clutching his pearls at Dany because what if a child does die due to Jon's actions/commands or Jon is pushed to execute a wildling hostage? Yeah? What if it's Dany clutching pearls and Jon telling her to deal with it. And then they go into the back and Maybe maybe that's what we'll see one day, hey. I need to get sober.

I think what's really frustrating about this is that Alicent literally spent all of the last season trying to get Lucerys killed/exiled! Like she literally tried to stab his eye out and supported a man trying to oust him as a bastard. She's the one who taught Aemond to view Luke and his brothers as subhuman!!

The idea of that woman fucking sympathizing with his death is laughable at best. She wanted him gone, she wanted Rhaenyra to suffer for having him; she got what she wanted. This is the outcome of her spending Luke's entire life badmouthing him and trying to hurt him. She should at least own up to it, but noooo, Saint Alicent is just so "sympathetic" to her enemies. Shame she couldn't have any empathy back when Luke was alive.

continuously intertwining rhaenyra with alicent was fine in season one, where they were directly at odds with one another, but trying to paint alicent as sympathetic to rhaenyra’s plight while rhaenyra is at the funeral of the son who was murdered by alicent’s is asylum worthy.

rhaenyra is grieving, jacaerys is grieving, joffrey, daemon, baela, rhaena, rhaenys, corlys are all grieving; alicent is NOT. she doesn’t care about rhaenyra, or she wouldn’t have waged war against her, raised her children to view their sister as the enemy, and usurped her throne. she especially doesn’t give a shit about luke, the kid she wanted to maim in revenge years before and the boy she viewed as both beneath her and not even as a true loss because he wasn’t human in her eyes. she thinks aemond is justified in lashing out, because he never received an ‘apology’ (i wouldn’t apologize either if i was a seven year old who thought my brother was going to have his head bashed in).

honor and decency were thrown out the window last season when alicent’s cause started murdering innocents over preconceived slights that SHE, personally, laid the groundwork for, and luke’s death is the result of that. she might be upset about her coveted ‘peace’ no longer being an option, but she doesn’t care about rhaenyra, her dead child, or the anguish that she is suffering through currently. he’s just an easy out for her to claim penance from her utterly idiotic decisions that keep killing people.

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I am convinced that Alicent Hightower either has multiple personality disorder or a colossal hypocrite or she is just badly written. It's either "Aegon is king " or "no it's Rhaenyra" by the next episode. "Now let's usurp Rhaenyra's throne and cause a war because my drugged dying husband told me" ." Oh no war is bad and people die in it, I had no idea".

I personally think it's bad writing. Condal and Hess can't seem to decide what direction they want her character to go, as you pointed out. Alicent makes no sense as a character with how she's been written in the show.

It literally feels like there's a new writer every episode, and that writer doesn't know what happened in the story before. It definitely seems like the writers might have finally settled on a personality for Alicent in season two. However, that personality just happens to be the dumbest and most hypocritical one.

I've seen many people questioning what Rhaenyra has done to deserve to become queen. Even setting aside that her political opponent is the most inappropriate person to become ruler, I find this questioning very sexist. No one is questioning various male Targaryen who became Kings due to being heirs ( like Rhaenyra was proclaimed heir by her father, King Viserys I). No one is questioning what Daeron the Good or Jaehaerys II did to deserve their throne. Just like no one is questioning the various lords who inherited their lordship from their fathers, like Robb Stark or Doran Martell. But when it comes to a female heir ( Rhaenyra) suddenly she has to prove that she's worth the title she inherited?? Why is that? Your misogyny is showing.