Rosycoconuts - Roses And Coconuts

About the interview Max thing, I agree that it’s very possible that the name wasn’t “Max” at all, and that someone more major is messing up SM’s plans, but I, like anon, also love Max so I had another idea. Winny said that Bunnyx will show up in s4, and so will a new character from the future. It’s most likely that she’ll show up in the finale at this point, so who’s this new character that we haven’t seen yet either? I really hope think that it might be Max, who is one of Alix’s closest friends and very useful as a superhero. I mentioned this in a post I made where I referenced yin-yang pairs, and I currently have a draft to expand on those, but I think the rabbit and horse are a pair. Now this may be absolute crack or my own fanfic-like wants, but man I’d love it if they really said “Max” and it wasn’t just him, but him from Bunnyx’s time.

tbh i’d really prefer the secondary heroes don’t get a lot of screentime in the finale. give me rena, give me félix, give me drama, but most of all give me ladybug & chat noir against the world, a duo.

i‘m not super interested in this “character from the future“ thing, assuming it is true. if it happens that’s cool but i prefer to mostly speculate on the characters we already know

Well, In my opinion Adrien didn't let go of his offer because Ladybug is turning down his help with an objective WRONG reasoning to end their conversation:

Chat Noir: I can give you a paw to save time

Ladybug:Thanks kitty, but this is the guardians job.

Since when? Since when has it only ever been the guardians job to retrieve the miraculous? Ladybug has been giving out and taking back all kinds of Miraculous in s2-s3 and back then she wasn't a guardian. I'm sorry to tell you but the strict rule she gave him right away as her first reasoning for why he can't help is objectively WRONG.

And it is THIS objective wrongness of the rule she is using against him here that Adrien reacts to. And once again, sorry, but he does so VERY well:

Chat Noir:but I know who some of them are remember? I was with you when you gave out their Miraculous.

Adrien has every right to point it out to Ladybug that the reasoning she just gave him here really holds no actual solid ground. Especially when he is doing it so nicely. He DOES know some of the identities and Ladybug had him give out a Miraculous before (to Chloé of course, the person Ladybug doesn't like what a coincidence). This sudden rule of "Only the guardian can retrieve the miraculous" is coming out of nowhere and it simply straight up comes across as if Ladybug just made up that rule right on spot to blow him off. You can now write 7 essays about what Marinettes thoughts were here and why you think she is right, but it doesn't change the fact that when Chat Noir offered his help the first thing Marinette did instinctively is trying to shut him down with a sudden new rule that hasn't been in place back when SHE benefited of it.

I don't believe that was her intention but that's what's coming across through her words. She isn't saying "No Chat, I would rather get them myself so the miraculous are quicker in safety through my yo-yo" she is just stating some new rule that cuts him out further.

Ladybug: You dont know where to meet them and I don't have the time-

THIS is a reason I can get behind. This has a solid logic in it where I understand that even though Ladybug absolutely COULD have had quickly given Chat Noir the locations through their messages, the time was short enough because of her beeping Miraculous that I understand why she didn't think that was really an option. If she had given THIS as a reasoning right from the get go for why Chat Noir can't help retrieving the Miraculous then this little argument would have looked differently from my perspective. But she didn't. She pulled the guardian card.

Because when she said this AFTER suddenly pulling the guardian card with an unreasonable rule, Adrien is not remaining on the side of reason either:

Chat Noir: playing cat and mouse is my forte, you know

Only Chat Noir giving her a legit and sound counter to her suddenly claiming "it's the guardians job" by pointing out that HE knows identities too, so that shouldn't be the problem, made her give him a proper reason.

Ladybug:You dont know where to meet them and I don't have the time-

But, from Adriens point of view, here again she is grasping for the next excuse to blow him off instead of telling him anything he can actually work with. She isn't meeting his offer with an explanation of "Huh, maybe you can help me. I will get the Miraculous and think about it then I come back to you and we can talk alright?" or anything like this. She's just saying "no" and from the different degrees of actual LEGITIMACY for reasonings added to that "No" its seems for Adrien as if Ladybug isn't basing that "No" on any kind secret identitiy logic, she just doesn't want him there right now.

I wanted to write more to this but I can't right now. Well I hope with the actual context of how the episode starts and gets to this point Marinettes reaction here, and Adriens reasoning for not coming to the battles, will put this in a new light.

This is 100% canon.

I know because I said so.

Because you exist, Sarada

sasusaku stans will never ever get over this and should never get over this. this was an unforgettable moment. this was the moment .

based on this post from @todofam-incorrect-quotes