Its Funny, Because Lately I Have Once Again Become Obsessed (like, More Obsessed Than Usual) With The

It’s funny, because lately I have once again become obsessed (like, more obsessed than usual) with the Tenth Doctor. And as such, I’ve been watching some of my favorite episodes (as well as some of Nine’s), and, of course, watching YouTube videos. Videos of 10 being his chaotic and sassy self, him and/or Nine and Rose, Rose herself, him and Martha, Martha, him and Donna, Donna, Wilf being iconic, whatever.

And it’s funny because under quite a few vids of the Doctor and Donna I see people comment things like “I loved Donna so much more than Rose and Martha. She called him out on his shit whereas they just followed him around like lovestruck puppies” and it just makes me laugh.

Like, not only is it not true (for either Rose or Martha), but though dozens of examples of both of them standing up to the Doctor/being badasses on their own/not at all being “people who romantically love him and just follow him around and won’t call him out”, it especially always reminds me of a scene in “The Girl In The Fireplace”. The Doctor comes back on board after meeting with Madame de Pompadour, and Rose and Micky have left to explore the ship and see what’s on board themselves (with Rose spearheading it, which I don’t think is “lovestruck girl who doesn’t do anything herself and is at his every beck and call” behavior,) and he gets frustrated and it’s all “what the heck? The first rule is don’t leave! I told you not to leave! But you didn’t listen did you?”. (And at which time he meets a horse on board).

We then cut to Rose and Mickey investigating and finding an eyeball in a socket acting as a camera and a heart plugged in to help run the ship, and we cut back to the Doctor who’s walking around the ship going “Rose” - in a tone that kinda sounds like a lost puppy - before turning around and telling the horse to stop following him.

And so those comments always make me laugh bc I always just think of the scene where the Doctor looks like he’s a lost puppy trying to find the person he loves, not the other way around.

Does it need saying?

Thank you so much for the wishes, Mish. Even if it’s an automated message, it still warms the cockles of my heart. And btw I’m definitely joining Gish next year.

TEN AND ROSE: WERE THEY HAVING SEX?

Disclaimer: I absolutely support people writing whatever makes them happy; this is NOT a criticism of ten x rose smutfic/established relationship/babyfic etc, I’ve read and enjoyed several of those, this is simply my reading of their canon relationship.

Every once in a while, the Rose Tyler tag sees text posts about how, obviously, Ten and Rose were sleeping together throughout Series 2, as evidenced by their absolutely sizzling chemistry in episodes such as New Earth and Tooth and Claw.

Most of them are usually in good humour—a “can you BELIEVE this chemistry” sort of thing, but there does exist a genuine belief among some that they really were sexually intimate already.

So, let's examine this canonically, from a Tentoo lens.

Were they having sex?

Short answer: No.

Long answer?

Throughout Series 1, we pick up on hints of the Ninth Doctor’s feelings for Rose growing, as well as Rose beginning to have feelings for the Doctor. It’s quite subtle in comparison to Series 2; here’s two great friends beginning to fall in love—flirting and bantering and getting jealous of other love interests xD. It’s not a very explicit romance (and this is why Rose haters tend to prefer NineRose, but that’s a conversation for another day) but it is heavily implied, and it is sealed with a kiss in The Parting of the Ways.

When Rose looks into the heart of the TARDIS and comes back for the Doctor, this romance is made explicit. When the Doctor dies to take the vortex out of Rose, the romance is made explicit. This is no longer a crush, or simple endearment, they’re in love.

The Tenth Doctor is born out of this love. He now knows the extent of Rose’s feelings, and he knows just how far she is willing to go for him. (This is a blessing and a curse, but we’ll come back to that some other time.)

Rose’s immediate reaction to seeing Ten is asking him to change back—(something that noticeably distresses him—the fact that she might not like him anymore). She spends the entirety of The Christmas Invasion mourning him, (which is fair since he never told her the tiny little detail of his ability to regenerate. Sigh.) and only really comes around to him at the end of that episode. We can safely assume, then, that they haven’t had sex.

In New Earth, they’re still very much relearning their dynamic—how do they work together, fit together now? We learn that Rose is physically attracted to the Tenth Doctor, thanks to Cassandra, and Rose's slightly mortified reaction at hearing this from him implies that there's been no confession of the sort to him.

You could argue that maybe something happened off-screen between Episodes 2 and 3, but as Ally on the tentoo x rose server pointed out, that would be shoddy writing. A physical relationship amongst the main two leads that is never even alluded to with a chaste kiss, is odd. So we can assume this major development didn't happen.

Tooth and Claw, the one episode that is constantly subject to 'they were totally shagging' discourse, has exceptionally flirty energy, yes, but this is because Ten and Rose are both very tactile people. Make no mistake, they definitely are flirting and being more touchy-feely than strictly necessary, but it would be narratively inconsistent for the reason for this behaviour to be 'they were having sex.'

Why?

I'd like to point out this dialogue we get from Queen Victoria:

This moment is extremely important; it plants the seeds for the proper beginning of one of the main themes of S2, which is the biggest reason the two of them are not constantly shagging in the TARDIS.

From this point on, something has been re-awakened in the Doctor, the fear of outliving someone he loves again.

We have to remember the Doctor is a severely traumatised man, a man who has outlived his entire species, and the idea of this girl he loves dying and leaving him alone is unbearable.

In School Reunion we get this spelt out for us. The Doctor sees Sarah Jane again, and reality strikes. This will be Rose, one day. There’s a key confrontation that takes place in this episode, an argument that remains unresolved because there are certain things Ten cannot bring himself to say.

DOCTOR: I don't age. I regenerate. But humans decay. You wither and you die. Imagine watching that happen to someone who you…

ROSE: What, Doctor?

There is a later confrontation in the same episode, where the Doctor is tempted with the idea of never having to see anyone wither and die again.

Even the infamous The Girl in the Fireplace doubles down on these themes--the Doctor's immortality. Time running out.

The Age of Steel two-parter brings with it the “gingerbread house”. Things we want which we cannot have.

This, in fact, is the crux of their entire relationship, folks. The incompatible lifespans. Rose's mortality. Untapped desire. The unsaid.

This is why it's important and impactful that Rose, on the last day she gets to see the Doctor, ever, plucks up the courage to actually put words to what she feels. This is why the unfinished confession in Doomsday hurts so much. Because they finally, finally took that plunge but it was too late.

Assuming that they've been in a physically intimate relationship all the while takes away from the gravity of this moment.

(Not to mention it's super exploitative, considering the inherent power dynamics. To think Ten had sex with Rose all that time--entirely aware of her feelings--and didn't have the decency to say he loved her and then proceeded to force her to choose between him and another version of himself...is problematic.)

I would go as far as saying it's a fundamentally wrong reading of their entire relationship, and of the Doctor himself.

I've seen people say the "baby scare" in Doomsday is proof that they'd been physically intimate, but it is, quite obviously the Doctor being afraid Rose was pregnant with Mickey's baby, not his.

DOCTOR: You've still got Mister Mickey, then? ROSE: There's five of us now. Mum, Dad, Mickey and the baby. DOCTOR: You're not?

He is, in his not so subtle way, trying to figure out if Rose is back with Mickey. It only hammers in the fact that he's missed his chance---not that the child might be his.

DOCTOR: Rose Tyler, Defender of the Earth. You're dead, officially, back home. So many people died that day and you've gone missing. You're on a list of the dead. Here you are, living a life day after day. The one adventure I can never have. ROSE: Am I ever going to see you again? DOCTOR: You can't.

Again, the narrative hammers this in. Their time is up. Rose will inevitably move on one day, without him.

All this to say…

TenRose in Series 2 is a tale of what could be. Of missed opportunities, and the lives and love we could have had.

But why is this important?

In order to understand Tentoo and Journey's End, it is vital we understand this aspect of TenRose. The yearning, the skirting around feelings in the room, the denial of gratification on Ten's part. The desire he cannot give in to.

Because Tentoo is the realisation of this desire. He is the second chance.

He is the embodiment of the Doctor grabbing hold of his one, short life and deciding to live it to the fullest. Tentoo is making a choice here--a choice to truly love Rose the way he has ached to do for years. This is why it's significant that he was able to get the words out while Ten wasn't.

This is why Rose chooses him.

This snippet of an email RTD received from Pete Bower sums it up extremely eloquently:

“In having one Doctor grieve for his lost love, while the other Doctor went off with that same lost love, you have written of that moment we all have where we make a choice. It is grieving for the love we never had (and the sex we never had) because of the choices we made.”

OK SO I SAW A FEW PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE ALL THE OTHER DOCTORS AND ROSE’S DAUGHTER WOULD LOOK LIKE

SO I DID IT (go find 10 and 9 in part one)

She looks sad, poor girl

Reminds me of Hermione Granger

She gives me Fluttershy Vibes idk

She’s cute, I’d probably be friends with her

She’s pretty, but not like gorgeous, which disappoints me. I will be trying this with other photos later

She looks like Clarke Griffin

She is so sad and I feel for bad for her

I FUCKING KNEW EIGHT AND ROSE WOULD HAVE A GORGEOUS CHILD AND I WAS NOT WRONG

Here’s Rose and Eleven. I can see a lot of Eleven in her.

She’s cool, but she also looks sad. 😔

And I’m putting her and 13 in the reblog of 9 and 10’s