SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

I’m SO tired of people acting as if EPIC isn’t its own fandom deserving of its own things separate from the odyssey. The odyssey is an ancient myth told originally orally for generations in Ancient Greece. That may have served as a sort of lesson or perhaps warning against hubris. Or maybe it served a completely different purposed. (from my understanding- correct me if I’m wrong) The point is it’s not one clear story- it’s not like our modern day “traditional” story with a clear cut: “This is what happens canonically, this is how the characters act, this is why so and so happened.”

EPIC however, is that. It’s a retelling not simply an interpretation or an adaption. It’s based off of Homer’s Odyssey, not that it is it just in musical form.

The Odyssey is a myth from an ancient religion and culture. EPIC: The Musical, is a work of fiction only based off of the Odyssey, that is made in the modern era

when I say “Look at my EPIC AU!” I mean EPIC not The Odyssey

Something I like about epic the musical is that it Gives it's changes to the original text an actual Purpose

( The first couple paragraphs are basically a rant regarding retellings. If you only want to hear about epic Skip to paragraph 4)

1. I am a bit annoyed by the lack of. Understanding as to why RETELLINGS aren't the most historicaly accurate things in the world. Sorry to break this to you, but that's both just how they work and I would guess how they reach success. Ancient Greece is a much different culture than our own, And most of us would be terrified to actually live back then. When you are Trying to create content That is based on ancient Greece And you want it to be successful/ At least reach a wide, and notably, MODERN audience. You're likely going to have to take some creative liberty And change a few things. Don't get me wrong, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE RETELLINGS KNOWING THAT FACT ( Me personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Miller's novels Even though I do like epic) BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. And because of that I don't think I would ever expect a retelling to be perfectly accurate And I don't. I had interest in mythology LONG before epic the musical But I didn't actually read the Odyssey until getting into epic. I did not expect it To be just like the musical, I knew Odysseus was going to be much more of an asshole, along with other characters. The odyssey and epic are different pieces of media to me And I am not less of a mythology nerd for liking epic ( Though I will admit that sometimes I take tiny little fun facts of mythology And like to think of them in the context of epic, but that's just for fun.)

2. The Only time being a fan of retellings is wrong as if you genuinely believe they are perfectly accurate And refuse to listen to anything else ( Which has definitely happened, And mythology nerds have the right to be annoyed at that)

3. Some people only like to consume real mythology media, Others like both real mythology and retellings, Others only like to engage with retellings (I would hope they have the self-awareness to know It's not real mythology, From what I've seen some do and some don't, Unfortunately)

4. Ok. now on to what the title of this long ass rant says

I like that epic the musical Retells the story, Not only to both cater to modern audience But Also with its OWN purpose of man versus monster.

Obviously, this is not the point of the original text. Mythos Odysseus does not give a single fuck About the stuff that epic odysseus does. I don't know why the creator Decided to rewrite it this way, (If he's ever said why let me know) But I would assume he wanted to make something about the oddessy And this was simply a very creative way to Translate that for modern audience.

I like this because, yes, holy damn. It does have changes from the original text. But it's not JUST changing it. It's changing it with a purpose

It feels reminiscent of some kind of Dramatic play. the way that epic characterizes.

Polites' kind nature is Representative of the Concept of being merciful Represented in his lines such as " This life is amazing when you greet it with open arms" /"There is so much guilt inside your heart, So why not replace it?"

While in contrast you have eurylochus with more ruthlessness and cautious nature, this is Found in some of his lines such as "You rely on wit, and people die on it" /"we don't know what's ahead" / "I say we strike first. We don't have time to waste so lets raid the place-" /"Let's just cut our losses, You and I and let's run"

And then you have Odysseus, the man/monster. The first act of this Musical is his internal struggle With what He should be On that scale. And the other characters Represent this struggle in the song monster

" Is the cyclops struck with gilt when he kills, is he up in the middle of the night? Or does he end my men to avenge his friend and then Sleep knowing he has done him right?

When the witch turns men to pigs to protect her nymphs, is she going insane? Or did she learn to be colder when she got older and now she saves them the pain?

When a God comes down and makes a Fleet drown Is he scared that he's doing something wrong? Or does he keep us in check So we must respect him and now no one dares to piss him off"

He then Applies this to himself

" Does a soldier use a wooden horse to kill sleeping trojans cause he is vile? Or does he throw away his remorse and save more lives with guile?"

And this marks his turning point of deciding that Ruthlessness It's ultimately worth it if it means Getting home, as aeolus says "The end Always justifies the means"

It's in my opinion, a very creative way to go about retelling a myth. Is it accurate? Absolutely not. For example, circe (From what we know) is not protecting When she turns men into pigs, For all we know, she could just do it because Shits and giggles.

Her character and most others in epic is changed from the original. But it's not ONLY changing for the sake of apeling to the modern Western audience and being successful like Many other retellings. It is also and mainly changing for the sake of influencing the plot that Jorge Rivera herrans crafted For the sake of Retelling epic. It is creative and I enjoy it despite knowing it's not accurate.

Friendly reminder that greek mythology retellings are retellings, not summaries. Please don't try to know the original source through them.

I wouldn't like Epic to end up getting as much hate as TSOA, just because people can't tell the difference between rendition and canon.

Let retellings frolick in their happy place 🌈🍭

(I would also like to preface this with this: I only watch the anime ((Eng Dubbed- on a piracy sight no less so further disconnection from the mangaka)). When I post about the series ((primarily regarding my AUs)) I am talking about specifically the anime, including the changes from the manga to adaptation.)

I spent months worrying about coming across as a bad person for having MIA being one of my favorite things- and I’m just very tired. So I am so happy to see someone outside of the fandom defending us. I love MIA for its many good traits, not for the problematic under tones. And I, in no way condone the actions of the creator.

MIA to me, will forever be about traumatized kids finding love and joy within each other despite the cruel world around them. Finding light in the darkest of places. About perseverance and determination. Lost kids who found each other but not a way home; though in the end maybe that’s all they need.

And I hate to see it get boiled down to its worst qualities; to its awful creator

(PS. This post was done on a whim without much forethought- simply it was rash. So I apologize for the possible poor wording or passive aggression)

I really really need y‘all to use some critical thinking right now.

Like it or not, but „Made in Abyss“ is extremely successful and critically acclaimed. It’s not some Dark Web niche child torture porn. Most anime fans have checked it out at some point or another.

The story isn’t centered around child molestation. Children are the main characters and it’s a dark twisted story so dark twisted things are happening to them. Is it my cup of tea? No. I dropped it after a few episodes, though I can’t remember why.

However, a plot like this isn’t unique to this story either. Though dark in a different way, „Promised Neverland“ also had child orphans as lead characters and terrible shit was happening to them as well. I really loved that one. Does that mean I enjoy watching children suffer? Fuck no. I enjoy the plot and watching these kids overcome the darkness and the same seems to be true for most MiA fans. Now let me make it clear: I’m in no way saying PN is as problematic (it seems like the MiA author actually caters to the messed up subsection of the fanbase on bonus pages that don’t get published and translated), but simply pointing out that there’s been other popular horror series with child protagonists.

Is the author of „Made in Abyss“ problematic as fuck? It sure seems like it, but that shouldn’t reflect on his readers. I sure as hell don’t research the authors of every piece of media I consume and I’m pretty sure that goes for most people.

I‘m also not defending the pedos in the fandom, but y’all, even My Little Pony has a huge chunk of those in the fandom but they’re clearly not a reflection of the entire fanbase.

TLDR: Don’t base your entire opinion on Twitter threads. Research the content you’re criticizing. Use critical thinking. Someone using big words doesn’t mean they’re right.

For reference, here’s the critical reception section of MiA‘s wiki page.

And from the reply by @niwakunis - some censored manga panels so you can get an idea of what the controversy is about:

Controversial scenes and elements are also listed and further clarified here:

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CHECK OUT THESE CATIFIED TELEMACHUS DRAWINGS MADE BY MY TWIN

EPIC: the musical catifed: Telemachus doodles/ other drawings

It’s been a while since I’ve posted much EPIC stuff so here’s some Tele drawings I’ve made!

the first one is actually a shit-post comic thing I made featuring one of my friends fandom characters (the kit that Tele is holding). I loved drawing Telemachus holding a kit OML, it fits him honestly 😌 (@thepowerofyes)

the second and third are from a comic I was making of an AU that I have, hence why Telemachus has some scars there. there is dialogue but I haven’t added it yet. Anyways I fucking LOOOVE drawing Telemachus with those kinds of expressions like- HDJBDJD IT FITS HIM! HKDHDJDHD I LOVE TELEMACHUS SOOOOO MUCH!!! He’s so sweet and understanding and I just love him.

the rest, not including the “armed and dangerous” one which I made for the shits and giggles are just traditional doodles I made, they aren’t the best since I wasn’t try too hard and was mostly testing new art supplies out but, I love Telemachus so much so here we are.

I hate that planned obsolescence is starting to reach fandoms. I hate that fandoms are starting to die after two, three years, I hate that whenever you stop getting content that means the fandom will die and be gone.

I need people to stop trying to brush off old interests as being 'cringe' as soon as you lose interest, or worse: make it seem like it's imoral to like something that they themselves held so dear before.

Fandoms are meant to last for years and years, the moment content stops being created is the moment we truly thrive because we keep creating the content ourselves the way we love it and expand on the things that are already there for us.

I don't care if you lost interest on something, it's fine and normal even, but stop trying to blame and make fun of people who still do love the fandom and the content and the things we can create.

I need people to enjoy fandom again

NOT PEOPLE BEING MAD AT NOONE FOR CHOOSING TO GO TO THE NOWHERE INSTEAD OF STAYING WITH HER DELULU CHILD PSYCHOLOGIST 😭😭😭

Just going to say this right now, Otto was grooming Noone- not sexually- but grooming her and using her as a place holder for his sister. He literally roofied her with candy and did the same thing to another kid. Something else I want to say is that Noone’s parents, at least in her perspective, abandoned her. She had a brain tumor, and even if she wouldn’t die from it, Noone was already absolutely losing it over the thought of still being sick. Noone would have likely died, especially considering how she had a seizure during Rusty’s death. To her, she had nothing left.

Hate to add more six discourse, but the LN fandom really forgot how stupid little kids are. Evil little kids in media are fun, but the thing is that there are so many context clues and shit even said by the devs pointing that six isn’t evil, at least not inherently so. She’s a great example of a morally grey character. It’s insane that some people in this fandom legitimately go on rants wishing death upon a fictional child. YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE WHOLE POINT OF SIX BEING MORALLY GREy 💀💀💀

Anyways I hope Otto explodes