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khan haters 100% have daddy issues or at least some issues with both of their parents

you dont give that man a chance because you cant give your own father one

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comforting

I don't really think J and N's relationship is abusive. Don't get me wrong, it's not a good relationship by any means, but I don't really think it's abusive.

Honestly, it reads more 'bully and their victim' to me. Like...J thinks she's hot sh#t, has been acting like she's hot sh#t even back when the DDs were workers, doesn't seem to want to change herself at all, and has been shown to be picking on N in a lot of scene. J could totally be a b#tch to other people aside from N, but people seem to think she's the worst to N just because she's been shown to hit him without a second thought (which she totally could've done with V or anyone else, it's just that N could be the one who doesn't fight back because of his 'good boy' nature). And who can think of a bully that hasn't put their hands on their victim at least once?

And if it takes having a bad attitude or harming someone to be considered abusive, then a lot of the other characters in the show are as well. Lizzy openly bullies anyone she deems 'beneath' her in social hierarchy and whoever her 'bestie' is at the time is probably someone who she thinks will do her dirty work for her, Doll killed some of her classmates and tried to kill Uzi just to get a shot at V, and V scratched Uzi's visor over the area of one of her eyes to intimidate her and literally told Uzi to her face that N would get over it if she died...Two out of those three I just mentioned have actually put their hands (or meat-physical hands) on someone and harmed them, but the fandom doesn't really considered them abusive.

Basically what I'm trying to say is yeah, J's not one of the good characters by a long shot. But she's also seems to been made to be an antagonistic character. If you don't like her, then fine. You don't like ships that involve J and N being together in some way? Also fine. You control your online experience. No one is forcing you to look at anything and like it.

Sincerely-a anon who wanted to get their two cents in

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shielding her from the sun

The whole Eden Lucifer-Adam-Lilith-Eve situation is kinda creepy. I see serious groomer undertones in it, given the difference in Lucifer's and humans' life experience (and to extent, maturity) at the moment

Imagine that you are an adult experienced angel who is present during the making of Eden and the birth of first humans. You also apparently want a wife. And to be a part in creation of Eden. What do you do? Find some female angel to marry and live your life with? Find an actually helpful way of working alongside elder angels?

Nope, instead you meddle with the lives of newborn and inexperienced humans in the most destructive way possible.

You could have helped them sort out their disagreements and actually taught them proper ways to behave. But you don't. You groom the naive female human into trusting you and then you encourage her cheating on the male human, causing trauma and insecurities to corrupt his personality in his first few years of living (the most influential in shaping a person's mentality). Thus you become partly responsible for the vengeful monster he will become in the future

More than that, you take away the female human's chance to live safely in paradise or on earth. Because of aiding you in your not-so-well-thought-out-plan (she didnt have any other choice, you and the male human were the only company she had), she is doomed to be allowed to only live in hell the rest of her life. And you knew that no one in heaven was going to give her the benefit of the doubt

As icing on the cake, you don't stop just on grooming and encouraging cheating, you don't leave the male human alone after you've already did him dirty and abandoned him... you come back and corrupt his new wife for some unclear reason (because your "whimsical" ideas of how you'd do a project elder angels know better how to carry out, are never even elaborated upon).

As a result, you doom not only these three babies in adult bodies but also the entire humanity to a terrifying life of fighting sinful outbursts, suffering, surviving, dying and risking ending up in hell where they'll be suffering for an eternity

I'm not sure if writers will ever hold Lucifer accountable for all this in a proper way. Probably not. But thinking about how much he fucked over first three humans makes me wish more depression on him

At this point, Lilith leaving Lucifer is not surprising. Imagine if after maturing and gaining life experience (and already giving birth to Charlie) she realized how her husband was practically using her. That could be why she left after doing her job of raising Charlie until she became an adult that can survive on her own

(I mean, it could be true if hazbin hotel was good at having the characters live through consequences of their actions and not just making Adam a scapegoat who is supposedly like Stella v 2.0 - evil ever since he was born and already inventing patriarchy with his very first breath. Like, all humans are selfish jerks when they are newborn - that's what parenting is for, shaping something more pleasant out of all that selfishness) (notice how the writing only focuses on how Adam was "bad" back in Eden)

(That also gives me a reason to judge angels in general - just a few narrative details really show how little they cared about the first humans' wellbeing and future. It's their fault too that Lilith ended up in hell and had to make some sort of deal to get a chance to visit her home/ Adam became an immature mentally unstable murderer/ and Eve... dunno, we haven't seen her yet)