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Most of the backlash towards Jonsa is because it’s a Sansa ship that elevates her politically and narratively. An Arya’s stan said that Sansa falling in love with a handsome young man would ruin her arc because her arc is most definitely not about agency. No no no, Sansa’s arc is about a pretty teenage girl learning to love ugly and much older men who terrified, belittled, or tried to rape her. Sansa is always depicted by the Jonsa fandom as a female characters having the choice, being on equal ground, in her relationship with Jon. She is not a frightened little girl forced to be the nurse/emotional punching bag of an abusive, misogynistic, and bigoted man wronged by everyone here, so it must definitely rub them in the wrong way. There’s also that fact that Jonsa is a Sansa ship that doesn’t punish and degrade her for the crime of being a CHILD who always liked really feminine things, tried to be all that a lady “should be”, had sweet unrealistic dreams, and couldn’t see how harsh the real world is because of how relatively sheltered she had been.

You're right in that Jonsa as a ship definitely considers Sansa Stark. I'd argue it considers only Sansa Stark.

However, that's not all it does.

My backlash against Jonsa is because:

Jonsa completely ignores the agency/tastes/preferences/and characterization of Jon Snow to put Sansa on "equal ground" in a romantic relationship with Jon. Jonsa rewrites Jon to be a totally different character, a support character for Sansa Stark: the central character of A Song of Sansa and Sansa.

Jonsa turns Jon Snow into a garbage human in deeply misogynistic ways and completely disregards his arc all in the interest of securing Sansa's safety/desires and elevating her character. Jon is turned in Sansa Stark's Prop Prince lapdog, using his penis to sexually abuse, use, manipulate, and dispose of -- you guessed it! Dany.

And speaking of, Dany is often turned into the favourite villainous punching bag by Jonsas to play as the Disney (often braindead) evil queen to the Jonsa princess Sansa and her bodyguard husband prince Jon Snow, essentially flattening ASOIAF into a cardboard cutout fanfic fairytale Jonsas try to push as actual ASOIAF speculation.

You talk of "a pretty teenage girl learning to love ugly and much older men who terrified, belittled, or tried to rape her" yet Jonsas have discounted a 13-year old Dany being sold to and raped by a 30-year old Drogo because Dany ended up falling in love with him. If that's not bad enough, Jonsas ship a late-40s to 50 year old Euron Greyjoy with a 16-year old Dany because ViLlAin rOmAnCe. The hypocrisy is giving me a bit of a headache, sorry.

Jonsa the ship certainly will punish Arya for not being feminine or classist enough -- she's blamed for Mycah's death because she was playing with a boy below her class. She's said to not qualify for being a Lady or Lady of Winterfell because she's not ladylike enough or not "class conscious" enough. She's eliminated from any romance arc or having children of her own because she's not conventionally feminine. Jonsas punish Dany for her Targaryen bloodline, claiming Dany is a "blood purist" when she was overjoyed to carry her half-Dothraki baby and dreamed of his birth; has a Tyroshi lover; married a Meereenese noble. Where are Dany's blood purist thoughts again? That Targaryens have "madness" in her blood.

Some alarming views on femininity.

There’s also that fact that Jonsa is a Sansa ship that doesn’t punish and degrade her for the crime of being a CHILD who always liked really feminine things, tried to be all that a lady “should be”, had sweet unrealistic dreams, and couldn’t see how harsh the real world is because of how relatively sheltered she had been.

Nice strawman. Nobody is disliking Sansa because she's feminine or because she was dreamy. There are other feminine, girly characters in this series who don't draw the ire Sansa does. Those who dislike Sansa dislike her because of some character traits she demonstrates. The bullying behaviours she demonstrated toward Arya, the lack of concern she demonstrated toward Arya, the classism with which she viewed the world (looking down on Jon for his bastardy, looking down on bastards and smallfolk in general, looking down on Mycah). Sansa does hold to Westerosi's prejudices, which can be hard to take at times. These are canonical traits Sansa has.

Sansa is also fairly superficial sometimes and doesn't demonstrate a great care or concern for the people (ie. planning a gigantic feast while the country starves) so it's frustrating when Sansa stans and Jonsas try to push Sansa as the ideal, caring queen and leader while bashing Dany, Jon, and others to prop Sansa up. Characters who have real leadership experience in a series where leadership is meant to be difficult and truly explored.

And just a reminder: Jon, Arya, Bran, and Rickon grew up in the same home Sansa did, just as sheltered. They've been facing how harsh the real world has been from day 1.

Genuinely hilarious that they talk all that shit about hating “girlboss” characters meanwhile acting as if QitN Sansa isn’t the ultimate Girlboss fantasy for these dullards.

Exactly. They're so hypocritical and it's comical to see how inconsistent they are. They bash Dany and Arya as "girlbosses" for being active in their arcs, as though that's a bad thing, but then want exactly that for Sansa. They want her to become Queen Regent of the North but because she isn't there in her arc, they're stuck having to praise what she does have - passivity. They'll do and say anything to prop Sansa up and put Arya and Dany down.

Most of the backlash towards Jonsa is because it’s a Sansa ship that elevates her politically and narratively. An Arya’s stan said that Sansa falling in love with a handsome young man would ruin her arc because her arc is most definitely not about agency. No no no, Sansa’s arc is about a pretty teenage girl learning to love ugly and much older men who terrified, belittled, or tried to rape her. Sansa is always depicted by the Jonsa fandom as a female characters having the choice, being on equal ground, in her relationship with Jon. She is not a frightened little girl forced to be the nurse/emotional punching bag of an abusive, misogynistic, and bigoted man wronged by everyone here, so it must definitely rub them in the wrong way. There’s also that fact that Jonsa is a Sansa ship that doesn’t punish and degrade her for the crime of being a CHILD who always liked really feminine things, tried to be all that a lady “should be”, had sweet unrealistic dreams, and couldn’t see how harsh the real world is because of how relatively sheltered she had been.

You're right in that Jonsa as a ship definitely considers Sansa Stark. I'd argue it considers only Sansa Stark.

However, that's not all it does.

My backlash against Jonsa is because:

Jonsa completely ignores the agency/tastes/preferences/and characterization of Jon Snow to put Sansa on "equal ground" in a romantic relationship with Jon. Jonsa rewrites Jon to be a totally different character, a support character for Sansa Stark: the central character of A Song of Sansa and Sansa.

Jonsa turns Jon Snow into a garbage human in deeply misogynistic ways and completely disregards his arc all in the interest of securing Sansa's safety/desires and elevating her character. Jon is turned in Sansa Stark's Prop Prince lapdog, using his penis to sexually abuse, use, manipulate, and dispose of -- you guessed it! Dany.

And speaking of, Dany is often turned into the favourite villainous punching bag by Jonsas to play as the Disney (often braindead) evil queen to the Jonsa princess Sansa and her bodyguard husband prince Jon Snow, essentially flattening ASOIAF into a cardboard cutout fanfic fairytale Jonsas try to push as actual ASOIAF speculation.

You talk of "a pretty teenage girl learning to love ugly and much older men who terrified, belittled, or tried to rape her" yet Jonsas have discounted a 13-year old Dany being sold to and raped by a 30-year old Drogo because Dany ended up falling in love with him. If that's not bad enough, Jonsas ship a late-40s to 50 year old Euron Greyjoy with a 16-year old Dany because ViLlAin rOmAnCe. The hypocrisy is giving me a bit of a headache, sorry.

Jonsa the ship certainly will punish Arya for not being feminine or classist enough -- she's blamed for Mycah's death because she was playing with a boy below her class. She's said to not qualify for being a Lady or Lady of Winterfell because she's not ladylike enough or not "class conscious" enough. She's eliminated from any romance arc or having children of her own because she's not conventionally feminine. Jonsas punish Dany for her Targaryen bloodline, claiming Dany is a "blood purist" when she was overjoyed to carry her half-Dothraki baby and dreamed of his birth; has a Tyroshi lover; married a Meereenese noble. Where are Dany's blood purist thoughts again? That Targaryens have "madness" in her blood.

Some alarming views on femininity.

There’s also that fact that Jonsa is a Sansa ship that doesn’t punish and degrade her for the crime of being a CHILD who always liked really feminine things, tried to be all that a lady “should be”, had sweet unrealistic dreams, and couldn’t see how harsh the real world is because of how relatively sheltered she had been.

Nice strawman. Nobody is disliking Sansa because she's feminine or because she was dreamy. There are other feminine, girly characters in this series who don't draw the ire Sansa does. Those who dislike Sansa dislike her because of some character traits she demonstrates. The bullying behaviours she demonstrated toward Arya, the lack of concern she demonstrated toward Arya, the classism with which she viewed the world (looking down on Jon for his bastardy, looking down on bastards and smallfolk in general, looking down on Mycah). Sansa does hold to Westerosi's prejudices, which can be hard to take at times. These are canonical traits Sansa has.

Sansa is also fairly superficial sometimes and doesn't demonstrate a great care or concern for the people (ie. planning a gigantic feast while the country starves) so it's frustrating when Sansa stans and Jonsas try to push Sansa as the ideal, caring queen and leader while bashing Dany, Jon, and others to prop Sansa up. Characters who have real leadership experience in a series where leadership is meant to be difficult and truly explored.

And just a reminder: Jon, Arya, Bran, and Rickon grew up in the same home Sansa did, just as sheltered. They've been facing how harsh the real world has been from day 1.

Can you guys believe that book!Dany makes Irri, her former slave, pleasure her a second time, after acknowledging that she doesn’t understand the concept of free will and only sees it as her duty following the first time, and the takeaway for many people is “we stan a bisexual queen” ? Yikes. You stan a rapist is what you do.

If George was going to make Daenerys evil in the books or cause her to die after intensely suffering and losing everything what would be the point of making her the child of three (third Daenerys) or setting the precedent of suffering, abused and murdered TARGARYEN WOMEN? What would be the point of showing her grow up exiled, starving and homeless on the run with no one but a rotating cabal of odd adults who want to use her and a brother who treats her like an object? What would be the point of showing her develop real, genuine diplomatic skills and make hard choices for the good of her people when it would be easier to just have her use the dragons? What would be the point of Dany being the ONLY Targaryen, and having her never once benefit from her surname or ancestry? What would be the point of having her suffer and starve in the trenches with her people? What would be the point of “no one ever looked for a girl”? More importantly why do you want a teenage bridal slave to be “put in her place”? Why do you want an orphan who grew up in poverty to suffer and fall so someone who grew up in a fucking castle could take everything from her?

They will not have my dragons, Dany vowed. They will not.

This is exactly how some of you Dany antis (cough cough Sansa/Jonsa stans) sound. If you hate a character so much that you would side against literal slavers just to go against them, then I would do some serious reevaluating of your life. It’s 2021, it’s getting a little pathetic don’t you think? All this for that lipless red head? Come on now

"Sansa knew all about the sorts of people Arya liked to talk to: squires and grooms and serving girls, old men and naked children, rough-spoken freeriders of uncertain birth. Arya would make friends with anybody. This Mycah was the worst; a butcher's boy, thirteen and wild, he slept in the meat wagon and smelled of the slaughtering block. Just the sight of him was enough to make Sansa feel sick, but Arya seemed to prefer his company to hers."

^ This is Sansa's first chapter in AGOT. I'll be the first to say we shouldn't judge a child at the beginning of her arc, pre-character development. But this is Sansa's canonical view of peasants and people who aren't highborn at the start of the story.

And this is from Dany's first chapter in AGOT:

"The square brick towers of Pentos were black silhouettes outlined against the setting sun. Dany could hear the singing of the red priests as they lit their night fires and the shouts of ragged children playing games beyond the walls of the estate. For a moment she wished she could be out there with them, barefoot and breathless and dressed in tatters, with no past and no future and no feast to attend at Khal Drogo's manse."

Dany and Sansa have remarkably different upbringings, but there's no denying which character shows classist traits and which character doesn't.

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How delusional,dumb,and ignorant do you have to be believe this bs as a cop out to dismiss and downplay Daenerys' lack of privilege and family for most of her life,ntm victim blame her because your callous ass lacks empathy for the character☠️Daenerys literally lost everything (most of her family,her home,and what her family had that would've been hers) before she was even born as her mother died shortly after giving her (like Jon's mother,Lyanna),literally started life with nothing (all she would've had if Rhaegar didn't die,if Elia,Rhaenys,and Aegon,literally had nothing even begin with but her name and blood.So congratulations on implying you agree with these facts🤡🙃

And just because she never had the opportunity to know Rhaegar, the privilege to know all her siblings, since that was one of many she was robbed of even birth,it still count as loss especially when it's important full blood related members of the family such as her mother,Rhaella,who suffered all her life being abused by Mad King Aerys even before their father forced the sister and brother to marry for the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy.Viserys was almost just as cruel and abusive to Dany as Aerys was to Rhaella throughout their lives as just a brother,then her husband and king.I bet you would be agreeing with me if it was about Jon regarding Lyanna because it's always double standards with antis,since y'all are so full of shit.

Jon stans (but can't expect you to know since all nonas crackshippers are glorified self-insert sardine stans who projecting to fantasize about fucking Kit Harrington😂) of all people should know damn well how deep the void of a mother is (as Jon has serious mother issues thanks to being mistreated and looked down on due to his bastardy and Catelyn's abuse towards him as supposedly the product of Ned's infidelity),because Lyanna is more important to the narrative for some of the main characters,Jon and Arya,like Rhaegar is to Dany while Rhaella is not thanks to GRRM's intention with his writing in the books.Not to mention Dany looks up to Rhaegar and longs to know him even in death,which is why she's eager to learn about Rhaegar.So your reasoning is invalid regardless,and your first part about Viserys is downright blatant nonsensical lies🤦🏾‍♀️🤨

Daenerys did not "hElP" Khal Drogo to kill Viserys🙄There was literally nothing Dany could do to protect and save Viserys even though she told the Dothraki who witnessed Viserys assault her not to harm Viserys,and even tried to warn him against his misbehavior by giving him a taste for what's was to come if you continued,hence why Viserys was forced to walk on foot instead of riding on horseback as punishment for assaulting Dany.Not to mention GoT never shows Dany actually loved Viserys,still loves him,even misses him (since she remembers how well he treated her back then when he still loved her),but she would and could no longer help him (as she lacked agency and power even as Khal Drogo's wife as a girl who is actually just his child bride sex slave) after warning him about how his violent disrespect to the Dothraki and herself pregnant with Khal Drogo's son as his wife since Viserys forced her to marry the much bigger,much older,much scarier Khal Drogo so young as she was literally just a girl,just a child.

Let's just conveniently ignore book canon of how Viserys changed when he had sell the only thing left of their mother,Rhaella's crown,for food to survive as Dany was severely sick from starvation.Viserys snapped in that moment because he was very close to Rhaella,so he began being cruel,too harsh,verbally,emotionally,and physically abusive to Dany and had been terrorizing her ever since.Viserys would literally beat when "she woke the dragon",and it's obvious when he was even terrorizing her in her dragon dream in the books with the bruises on her naked body and her apparent fear,which is why the dream is symbolic of Dany being scared to wake her dragon.Dany's fear and her body language like she's trying to hide or escape from Viserys is also proof of this besides the memory pre-aSoIaF in one of her chapters Viserys beat Dany so hard all just because Dany spilled,clocked Viserys,and called out his double standards towards her concerning how she should've been born earlier.

As if it's somehow Dany's fault the Targaryens "fell from grace" due to Robert's Rebellion when she wasn't even born yet and just a baby when the Targaryen dynasty ended😭Viserys really had the audacity to shift the blame from the adults onto Dany and actually said if she would've been born earlier,Rhaegar would've had a much better option to marry instead,so Rhaegar would've have been so weak to be so enamored and lovesick with Lyanna he practically threw everything away to elope with her.That memory is manifested into a dragon dream as likely a trauma response similar to nightmares and PTSD of abuse victims.Since Dany was scared of him for years (which is a common response of abuse victims towards their abuser) as she reveals in her POV chapters Viserys hurt her,it can be inferred Viserys actually acted upon his threat towards Dany and the events of that dragon dream really happened before.

Let's just conveniently ignore Viserys consistently insulting and offending the Dothraki with his superiority complex,lashing out at a pregnant Dany and being violent towards her,provoking Khal Drogo by threatening to harm his wife and unborn child.Khal Drogo was literally protecting her from Viserys who posed a threat as he'd shown them all what he was capable with all his unprovoked,unwarranted hostility towards his own full blood related sister,his only family left.Not to mention in the books,Viserys planned to rape Dany before she married Khal Drogo and tried to enter her room at night,but Illyrio foresaw this and had guards stationed outside her door.Viserys felt entitled to Dany's maidenhead (virginity) which he perceived to be belong to him due to his Valyrian blood purity and supremacy and perceiving her as his property,because he believed Dany was supposed to be his bride and give him heirs as his only sister and other full blood Targaryen besides himself.

Oh the irony of Viserys' possessiveness of Dany when he sold his own sister,his only family to Khal Drogo in exchange for an army to take back his birthright,the Iron Throne.Tell me without telling me you never really read the books or even watched the show,most likely skipped Dany's chapters and scenes as antis tend to do,because y'all lack basic reading comprehension skills and are just too threatened by a character as iconic,compelling,great,and complex as Dany🤡

Even in the context of GoT,Viserys was still a cruel,abusive brother to Dany.Literally molested her,literally said he'd let all the Khal Drogo's men and their horses fuck her if that's what it would take to reclaim the Iron Throne,calls her degrading and derogatory slurs rooted in his racism and Valyrian blood supremacy such "Dothraki whore,Horse's slut" despite forcing her to marry the Khal for his own ends for the crown;Not to mention let's just conveniently forget Viserys really threatened to cut out Dany's unborn child when she was pregnant.After everything Viserys did to his own sister,even planned and tried to do to her,Viserys reaped what he sowed and honestly deserved what he got although I do have sympathy and pity for him considering how much his life changed for the worse due to Rhaegar's death and Robert Baratheon usurping.

But Viserys was wrong in punishing Dany for Rhaella's death,blaming and never forgiving her for Rhaella dying from childbirth.It's not her fault as she was literally just a baby fresh out of the womb.So it's valid and true Daenerys lost two brothers including her mother who GRRM rarely mentioned compared to Rhaegar and Aerys + GoT never even cared about to acknowledge Rhaella's existence considering it didn't suit their skewed narrative (but GRRM only used as a writing device often in fiction for characterization and character development to motivate Dany to become a true monarch who prioritizes her duty to the people over the self and devotes her life to protect and care for her people like a mother as the Mhysa/Mother of Dragons,the mother she never while being in the process of fulfilling the void of 'family','home',and "the childhood she had never known" by giving her people that symbolized by protection,security,and safety,because she can't bring back the dead or go back in time to save her family, and she can't even obtain the house with the red door,the lemon tree,and "the childhood she had never known" ) and great-great grand uncle Maester Aemon,who the GRRM didn't even have her meet unlike the likes of Jon who grew up with a father and siblings in a castle.

They’re both gone now. 

POL JON RIDDLES

HELP ME OUT GUYS

Riddle #1: IT'S GREED AND TYRANNY WHEN DANY WANTS TO TAKE BACK HER FAMILY'S DYNASTY but it's righteous and right and empowering when the Starks (Sansa) want to take back the North. THE TARGARYENS ARE THE REAL COLONIZERS NO DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

Riddle #2: Dany's love is cheap compared to her greed for the Iron Throne!!!11

...So why does Jon need to sexually use, abuse, manipulate, and fake his love for the power crazed Dany ala Pol!Jon to steal her armies and dragons if her worthless love is so cheap then...? It's not like sex is going to help out Jon's lacking martial forces much or add sense to the non-sensical Pol!Jon. Or what, does that not fulfill the Jonsa teen scene dreams of sweet sweet betrayal for thy true love Sansa?

Riddle #3:

"It's preposterous to think Jon, who has always tried to do the right thing, would betray(or even kill) his aunt just for shits and giggles."

So what is Jon, Jonsas? An uber asshole who is Sansa's personal garbage disposal? And will callously abuse, use, and manipulate a rape victim? Or does he have a conscience? Because yeah, I think the the two are mutually exclusive here. How does a decent person with a conscience (who Jon is supposed to be) do this to... anyone? Why would Jon do this to Dany? What has Dany done to warrant this? Conquer? Robb Stark, Jon's brother and best friend. Stannis Baratheon, the claimant Jon supported in ADWD. The Young Dragon, Jon's idol. How dare Dany want to take back her family's dynasty! Just like the Starks!! All the Northern houses love the Starks and want them back! (Except the ones who don't) The Skagosi too!! (Except they keep rebelling when the Starks try to force them to submit...) But seriously, since when does Jon hate Targaryen conquests? Or... Targaryens? But I digress, let's look at Pol!Jon. In contrast, Pol!Jon hates the young conquerer Dany! How dare Dany conquest!! Pol!Jon doesn't idolize the Dorne-invading dragon-riding Young Dragon!! Eww!!! But here's the thing: nothing about Pol!Jon makes Jon the hero as this particular Jonsa likes to argue. Everything makes him the asshole -- from every angle. Jon can't be a hero performing 100% villainous, unnecessary, and stupid stupid actions all so he can dispose of one girl (Dany) so he can go ahead and marry another girl (Sansa) who looked down on him in childhood for wholly classist reasons. (No no, no misogyny here!) Everything Jon does in this scenario justifies Dany (or Dany's supporters) going to war against him -- and the North -- because it's treason. How can Jon realistically get away with that. How would GRRM let Jon realistically get away with that. For Jonsa?

It doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are dying for Dany to be, it won't make Pol!Jon any less of an asshole in his characterization or actions toward Dany.

And if Pol!Jon hates Dany so much that he's willing to abuse, use, and callously exploit a rape victim when her love for him is apparently so "cheap" (because apparently, these are your versions of them), it seems like he is doing extreme stuff for shits and giggles -- and to make the situation far far worse (handing Dany a reason to go to war against the North, intentions to start another civil war despite multiple wars going on and the North's lacking resources, making an enemy of a powerful queen and during a time of probable desperation...).

I'd call that psychotic. (On another note, I'm a Jon stan but... uh, there are times in ASOIAF when Jon does not do quite the right thing...)

I know Aegony has been theorized as endgame ship for a reason but imo those are the same people who have grossly mischaracterized something about Dany and Jon.

The irony.

They are the same ones who have denied Dark Dany and insist how her greed for the IT was actually just her doing her duty as the last Targ and that Sansa was the power hungry one actually.

Hilariously, this happened in the same show Jonsa never became close to canon (not matter what Jonsa conspiracy theories say), the same show in which Sansa kept risking the life of her "beloved" brother Jon and betrayed him multiple times (funny, Dany never did that...), and the same show of which GRRM has repeatedly said his ending would be different. Oops :) And Jonsas wonder why the fandom has a problem with them.