Poking At Timeline Stuff Again:

Poking at timeline stuff again:

So Kon was ‘born’ in 1993, and hatched from his tube aged… 15ish? He turned 1 in Nov 1995 (Superboy Annual #2 of his series) – note Kon is STILL AGING here, and after this point he’s usually described as 16 physically. His age ‘froze’ in July 1997 (Superboy #41) and then started aging again after Sins of Youth in May 2000 (Superboy #74) Kon died in May 2006 (Infinite Crisis #6) Kon returned in June 2009 (Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #4)

2000-2006 is about a year in Comics Time. I think it’s 100% fair to say Kon was physically 17 year old, at his youngest, as at his death, and mentally 17-18.

Kon enrolled in Smallville High on his revival – he’s almost certainly in Year 12/a Senior – and 2009ish is known as the ‘start’ of a school year by a bunch of correlating factors (Steph starting college is one). Flashpoint interrupts and this school year likely never finished. He may or may not have celebrated his 18th birthday before Flashpoint but it either happened or was due imminently.

Known timegaps – Kon lost slightly over a year between Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis. His aging stopped either for over a year (if you use Bat timelines) or more like 6 months (given it was 3 years real time). In total I want to say Kon’s ‘age’ went backwards about 18 months to two years over this period. His mental age, however, probably only lost 15 months or so.

By Flashpoint, Kon probably was due to celebrate his 18th birthday in his personal timeline.

In comparison: Jason Todd died aged 15 (if you take canon at its word) or 14 years 9 months (if you use the canonical birthday and death day dates). He was officially dead for 6 months before getting resurrected (- 6 months) and then in a coma for a year (-12 months). He then had a fun amnesiac period which does not have a defined length of time before Talia got sick of it and pushed Jason into a Pit.

Using Bat timelines, 18 months after Jason’s death is probably some time around Contagion or Legacy. Legacy in particular makes a lot of sense for Talia to see Jason in Gotham and pick him up to take home with her. He probably had to go into a Lazarus Pit during No Man’s Land, given Bane and Bruce start the ‘destroy all the Lazarus Pits’ campaign post-NML, culminating in Death and the Maidens in 2003-2004.

Either way, Jason Todd is still mentally 15 years old as of 2000.

Jason’s not in a position to return to Gotham with Talia’s urging until AFTER the rebuild for the famous bomb the Batmobile moment (realistically probably 2000-2001), and from the rebuild process IN DC comics 2001 is a better call than 2000 if you don’t still want rubble everywhere (they didn’t manage to get Ivy out of Robinson Park until Jan 2001)

He then does his world travel training trip… but is back in Gotham for September 2003 and Hush (and Tim’s 16th birthday).

Given Tim’s birthday is canonically on 19 July, the longest Jason’s world training trip can be is 6 months, and is probably more like 3-4 months given the required futzing time either side.

Jason doesn’t legally turn 18 until March 2004 (Tec #790). He’s still almost certainly mentally 16 years old here. He’s arguably physically 17.5 here.

A set of preboot timeline facts from all of this that is hilarious (to me):-

Jason and Tim are mentally about the same age, given their canonical 23 month age gap by date of birth. Depending on how long a period Talia keeps Jason around as an amnesiac, Tim may actually be mentally older.

Yes. The Titans Tower fight was essentially two 16 year olds having a spat.

Kon, despite also having fun death times, is 100% mentally older than Jason for all periods, though they’re close to drawing even after Final Crisis. He’s probably close to physically the same age as Jason for a lot of the time up to Infinite Crisis.

Tim may actually have spent a similar amount of time training in Paris (between Robin I and some time during Legacy and the summer leading up to Cataclysm) as Jason did on his Lost Days world trip.

Anyone who questions how Tim can be one of the greatest bo staff fighters in the world when he’s working off the same time frame of intense training from masters as Jason is (and has a far more substantial training time with Bruce and Dick) is honestly discounting that Tim has more extensive vigilante experience than Jason does, particularly in terms of Gotham-focused skills.

Kon and Tim end up by Flashpoint as within a few months of each other in age.

I don't trust Batfamily fans who will hate everything about one character all the time always. They refuse to admit that the character does anything good for the story, or has a valuable asset to whatever group, team, person, or case that they are working on.

I think a healthy dislike is okay. Everyone who has ever talked to me knows I'm pretty critical of Bruce. Everyone on Tumblr who has read any of my posts knows that Jason annoys me.

However, they are still compelling characters who can be really interesting narrative and character wise. I actually think Jason can be an interesting character to use in stories.

That being said, everyone should be critical about their favourites. I follow the anti-Tim Drake tag for a reason. Because one it makes me ask the question, "Is my perception of Tim in rose coloured glasses, does what the person says have any basis in canon, and is this information i should think over or more on from?" It also keeps my critical thinking skills up, and my ability to memorize information and peice together said information.

That also being said Anti Tags for all the Batfam is filled with mysogeny, racism, classism, homophobia, and ablism.

[Correction: some of the main anti tags aren't as bad anymore. Hope they stay that way. Avoid Redit it can be really bad.]

Selfishly it makes me feel better about my ability to consume and create media. Because I'm at least better than the bare minimum.

Anyway, here's the thing. Stop being crazy stans who can't take a single criticism and stop being crazy antis who can't take a single criticism. Learn to balance the adoration and dislike.

Please read source material before you say fuck canon, because how do you know what to change if you have never read the material before. You wouldn't want someone who had never learned to fix or handle a car to suddenly come in and try to upgrade it for you?

Source material is important. Don't know where to start. Click the search bar and type out

[favourite character] reading list

If it doesn't appear on Tumblr click the search engine you use [Firefox, Google, internet explorer, safari, bingo, yahoo etc.] And type the same thing.

omigod mias gonna appear back in comics so soon

[The Long Term Impact of Bparding School]

There is a lot of research and articles that talk about the validity of Boarding School Syndrome, bit I feel like everyone should read it because it can give a bit of insight and be a good jumping off point for understanding some of the impacts that some children may go through. Also read the comments there is a lot of personal stories. [TW: talk about abuse in multiple forms]

I do not have the panels to explain this properly on me, but I do have a better than average memory.

Tim's connection to Gotham as a whole. The city of Gotham. It being the place he calls home. He always comes back. When No Man's Land happened, when he left to find Bruce, when he goes and works for a team. He always comes back. Even though so many people he have lost are connected to Gotham. He comes back. He may have been in different apartments, different houses most of his life. Never really settling down in one place for very long, he knows Gotham as his how. Even when he was in Blüdhaven or any other city he still managed to come back. You can say what you will about the characters having to stay in Gotham for there to be a story, Tim comes back. It may not be the same spot in Gotham but he comes back.

Tim's connection to boarding school and being separated from his parents at a far to young age. Whether is was boarding school at 8 or 10 that is far to young for any child to be without proper reliable family structure of some sort. Whatever that family structure may look like. On top of that his parents are hard to reach. This can be a sign of the era the stories were from [Bruce was hard to reach when abroad] its also a sign of the physical and emotional distance Tim has from his parents. He gets postcards and does see them, but they aren't reliable as figures of support.

When Tim shows resistance to being patented by anyone? The times where he seems to be a brat or ungrateful for what adults around him are doing? Well simply, he didn't have that stable parental support for a long time. His parents, Jack's coma. He had to become responsible for himself in some ways way too young.

[I am not diminishing the trauma other characters have gone through, nor the neglect of other character's parents just exploring Tim's.]

It can even be tied to how he views Batman as needing a Robin, and trying to get Nightwing to come back. It can be tied to even when Bruce does really assholish things [Tim's 16th birthday] he comes back. Because Bruce/Batman is a stable reliable person at least in the eyes of Tim Drake.

I could dive deeper into that.

But in many ways you can connect some of this thinking back to boarding school and the impacts that has on a young kid.

The way Tim can be really self sufficient.

The way that he can seem pretty mature but also have times where he is just a young teenager.

He is trying to balance parts of himself that he may not have been taught to.

Within the linked article it brings up the idea of a separation of self. The boarding school self and the home self. This can very easily be transfered over into the idea of Tim Drake and Robin, and how through internal narrative Tim sees them as separate. It's why he self validates some of the actions he takes as both, because he has in many ways completely separated them.

Boarding school in many ways can set up children for unsecure attachment styles towards people and things in their life. In ways this can connect to Tim's reaction about Robin being taken away.

Everyone talks about his overreaction but I argue that if Tim had already had an unsecured attachment style as well as an uncomfortable Ness with the idea of seperstion of parts of himself and his life, his reaction makes sense. Even if mean-spirited and harmful.

Anyway this all comes back to the way that trauma both internal and external from something so prominent as boarding school van lead to larger problems later that go unnoticed because of other possible points of origin.

That's my two sense anyway.

I think it could be an interesting concept to explore with Tim. The effects that boarding school could have had on him, ans how it could connect to the already established narrative.

yeah making the drakes cartoonishly abusive is clown shit but something i see WAY too often are claims that they’re immediately absolved of any parental neglect because they sent tim to boarding school as if thats not an environment thats going to be subtly but very damaging to an 8 year old. i dont think jack & janet had bad intentions and they absolutely loved tim and tried to make the best of not being very present due to their work, but fact of the matter is sometimes people have careers that make it impossible to be good, present parents and (based on the little we know about tims life age 3-13) jack and janet absolutely fall under this

"Good Cop, Bat Cop" — a poll tournament to find the Batman character who is closest to being "basically a cop"

Batman is a costumed crime-fighter created in 1939. Since then, there has been ever-evolving discussion about what "crime", "fighting", and "crime-fighting" entail—and what all that means for Batman's relationship to his local police.

Batman makes friends, makes enemies, and becomes a middle-aged father of 3, 4, 5+ kids—and the discussion carries over to this large and debatably colorful cast.

Now we pit these fictional characters against each other in a poll tournament, to determine which among them is "a cop" in spirit.

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Submit Batman characters as contestants. Regular GCPD personnel (such as Commissioner Jim Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Ellen Yin, et cetera) are ineligible. Ace the Bat-Hound, Batcow, Jarro, Bat-Mite, and other "joke characters" are eligible.

Submit propaganda arguing why certain characters are "a cop" in spirit.

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Strengthen your claims by including sources.

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Doylist and Watsonian readings are accepted.

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Add "@goodcopbatcop" to posts that are relevant to this discussion.

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Have fun~!

The double-elimination tournament brackets are planned to be posted at the beginning of April, soon followed by the polls.

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If you wanna read something with some of the vibes read [Robins are an Invase Species], it's a series by Havendance. They have a tumblr you can search up.

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Ooohhhhh I don't have anything concrete in the works but I have a couple of ideas that are just vibes only at the moment.

1. Helena and Tim where it's Helena who finds out Tim has been infected with the Clench and is the one who has to get him to Alfred. This is an identity reveal fic to where in this moment nothing but his life matters. [Contagion storyline]

2. Helena and Tim where during battle of the Cowl storyline he and Helena team up against Jason who has started rampaging Gotham under a Batman Cowl (never mind its partially Tim's fault)

3. Helena and Tim were through circumstances when she became his high school English teacher, and they kept having team-ups. Helena doesn't think Tim is Robin at first but thinks a lot of other stuff until Tim has to reveal his identity. There's a fic like this [Top 10 Secret Identity Fails], but I would want to take my own spin on the idea.

4. Tim and Helena and the aftermath of 2001 Joker Last Laugh storyline and the effects that realizing that Robin was as close to younger brother as you can get only after you think he died has on Helena. Helena making a bit of an effort to seeing Robin around a bit more.

5. An amalgamation of Tim defending Helena to the bats. Just Tim, believing in his older sister and that she wouldn't do something or that she can be trusted.

6. Vague vibes were Under The Red Hood arc happens, and Helena finds out what happened to Tim, and while he is still getting rest and medical help, she hunts down Hood. This is a guy who is using a Joker name and tried to for all she knows tried to kill Robin. It would probably be a sequel to the idea from #4.

7. Instead of going with Brucs after the fake uncle thing is discovered, Tim goes with Helena because he would literally rather do anything than go with Bruce. Older sister taking care of younger brother and both of them making mistakes but ultimately becoming a bit better.

Strong believer in the “take every Tim and Jason fic trope possible and replace Jason with Helena”

Over time those fics grate my bones more and more each day