Would You Perhaps Do Tiny Helena And Renee Working Together?

would you perhaps do tiny Helena and Renee working together?

detective work!!!!!

tell me im wrong i dare you

💙What does nightwing do in a day?💙

✨Feeding the little brother✨

2. 🌻Training with the little brother🌻

3. 🥰Beating the shit out of people who threaten the little brother🥰

I want to zoom in for a moment on the 'state of perpetual victimhood' and the connection it has to fandoms and media in general for a representation of 'The female experience'. Because it really is deeper than just modern fandoms.

Classic western fairytale? Damsel in distress locked in towers or deep sleep waiting for a prince to save her. The dead mother and awful stepmother, the dying queen, the princess passing a test to be seen as a real princess, and the sevatude to the king or powerful man. All of these are in many ways states of perpetual victimhood. Western versions for sure, but the common thread is women who have no control over their lives in many ways, always waiting for the man to come along that will 'elevate' her status.

The state of perpetual victimhood and how we have the literal idea of fridging a female character. Instead of serving the purpose of the end of a hero's quest or the damsel who gets saved. It's the female character who gets hurt for the expressed purpose of doing something to a male character (testing their moral resolve, motivating them, giving them a hurdle to crossover). The DC classic on this is Barbara Gorden, who was another prop, another 'thing' that would test Jim and Batman.

It's the way that for the female characters connected to Batman, their characterization is stripped because they are not 'the perfect victum'. Stephanie Brown is a girl from a lower middle-class suburbian family. Her father is a mid rank rogue, and her mother suffers from an addiction. She is headstrong and does things her way. She, in some ways, perpetuates the cycle of violence seen in her home on people she cares about. [See her treatment of love interests]. She doesn't roll over and apologize to her abuser. She died in an unfinished, easily accidble plan made by Batman, which was missing key details. She was sent away to try and keep her safe. She came back, and she would make her way to being Batgirl. There is more to her than the abusive father, the unstable home, her daughter, her death, and her (ex-)boyfriend. But that is the narrative she is attached to in the comics. One thing after another. However, fanon ignores this. They strip those struggles from her. They strip her triumps and goals. Boil her down to purple glitter, cool ex-girlfriend, Cass's girlfriend, waffle lover. Literally, in a sense, fanon makes her have a lack of struggle that they like to associate with the female experience.

Cassandra Cain is the daughter of two famous and world known assassins (David Cain and Lady Shiva). She was taught the art of violence and the language of movement. She was around eight when she killed someone and saw what killing was. Movement than none. She ran away and then was on her own until she was seventeen and in Gotham during its state of No Man's Land. She became Batgirl during this era. She met a physic who rewired her brain to accept language and lost her ability to read movement. She went to Lady Shiva, who offered to give the ability back but have a death match in a year. 'Prrfect for a year or mediocre for a lifetime'. She chose perfection. She had a death wish. Believing in redemption for everyone but herself. She died in the death match, however, briefly. She had to learn to be someone outside of Batgirl, outside of someone who understood what the symbol of the Bat meant. This is an almost perpetual state of victumhood. She isn't the perfect victim, though. She rises above her past, she believes in the redemption of others and the sacredity of life. She would rather die than kill another. It takes her being mentally manipulated and micromanaged to go evil. She is more than what her past was, although very defining to who she is as a character. However, once again, fanon doesn't latch onto this. They strip her of this struggle, with her past, and boil her down to Mute perfect daughter who plays support to the Batboys. She's Steph's girlfriend. She's the other assassin kid Bruce has, the ballerina. She is no longer associated with canon's definition of the female experience.

Barbara Gordon is the adopted daughter of Jim Gordon. She became disabled in an attack by Joker. A piece in a plot to show Jim Gordon and Batman was all it took was one bad day to become him. She used a set piece in the added suffering of the men in her life. She wasn't attacked because she was Batgirl or because she had gotten in the way of rogue plans as Barbara. She was attacked because of what her suffering could do to her father. She (up until 2011) is wheelchair bound. Her life was completely upended, and she had to build things up from the ground. She became Oracle the pillar of many operations within the hero community as a whole. She recognized that she couldn't operate in the field, so she contacted Dinah Lance, aka Black Canray, and formed the Birds of Prey. She spent years rebuilding herself and ger life. Disability withing fandom and by a great many people is seen as a perpetual state of unending suffering, and an unending victumhood. However, despite this. Fandom does not latch onto that. They boil her down to a girl boss. Tech support for the Batfam. A very Gotham only character. What should qualify her for front-page representation of female experience does not, in fact, do so.

Helena Bertinelli is the only survivor of the Bertinelli crime family. She was a victim of CSA and would be taught young by her mother's extended family how to become an assassin to seek the blood of her family's killer in return for the spill of her family. (Blood Cries for Blood) She believes in more violent methods and is consistently frowned down upon by Batman. She was the only able-bodied fighter who remained in Gotham during the start of No Man's Land. [Barbara also remaining but unable to fight in the way that Huntress could]. She recognized that her presence of Huntress didn't have the same impact that the Bat did. So she dawned the Cowl and symbol becoming The Bat. She followed the code the symbol warranted. She did her best, but it still was never enough for Batman. She was demoted, and she quit. Leaving to other parts of Gotham to try and do anything. In a move to try and save victims from Joker, she got shot multiple times. She would later become a Bird of Prey. Despite the cycles of violence within her story, being the childhood victim of violent crimes, and struggling under the authority of a man who she has direct moral positions to, she goes unremembered by the fandom. She was stripped of her place within the narrative and for awhile when shown 'the toxic Dick Grayson ex' or simply 'a member of the birds of prey'. Despite the perpetual suffering she doesn't fit the definition of representation of the female experience either.

Selina Kyle, Talia al Ghul, Leslie Tompkins, Harper Row, Bette Kane, Kate Kane, the list could go on. All woman who have a history of suffering and being a victim. Of trying to help victims. Of being more than victims. In continuing and breaking cycles. Being labeled to one thing, one defining trait. Of being demonized. Of being striped of character.

Not one of these woman by the fandom is ever described as representing the female experience, despite being a woman. Which by definition should mean they have the capacity to have life experiments of being a woman. Of the ups and downs. Of the triumps and struggles. Right?

No.

The representatives of the female experience is

[I don't know who embodies the female experience more? Jason Todd or Dick Grayson?]

There is space to talk about male victimhood. There is space to talk about the negative cycles of writing and characterization that goes into male characters, and how fanon stripes them of characteristics as well. Because fanon affects all characters.

Just not equally.

By definition, a character who was always male. Intended to be read and seen as male and only in alternate universes and timeliness depicted as female, immediately disqualified from being a representative of the female experience?

Even in the narrow definition of the female experience being perpetual suffering, and victumhood. The idea of FEMALE experience is that it would be experienced by FEMALE characters right?

[There is also space to talk about Queerness, Disability, Race, and other experiences, but this post isn't directly about that. Although all issues are interconnected and intersedtionity. I'm focusing on one thing here.]

So, the fandom idea of perpetual victimhood centric female experience is hypocritical and just one facet of a wider array of problems.

Anyway. Please read female characters. All of the talked about characters have a long comic book history full of good and bad, but most of all, experience.

I really hate the way a lot of people on here discuss the batfam because it seems to only revolve around entirely ignoring the existence of female characters while stealing their traits to impose upon male characters and taking whatever details they DO know about male characters to place them in a state of perpetual victimhood and call it "representations of the female experience" as though there could be nothing else to what being a woman is outside of victimhood. As though there aren't any actual female characters who could represent it better.

A lot of it stems from you guys not actually reading the comics you're talking about and saying "fanon is fun" when really all most of you do is perpetuate plotlines and characteristics added in for a couple chapters that seem to only have the common characteristic of being written by and for bigots! Why not just create OC's so you don't have to blindly cosign prejudice for the sake of create "angst" and perfect victims?

dc six fanarts challenge

Are oc request with refs allowed?If not i'd like to req tiny Maps Mizoguchi including her Robin costume pls^

Ocs are allowed

but you get a maps anyway!