Do You Have Any Angst Headcanon About Shizaya? Or Just Izaya Because I Am Sad I Need Them To Be Sad Too

Do you have any angst headcanon about shizaya? Or just izaya because I am sad I need them to be sad too but I'm interested in your headcanons!

*QUEUE HYSTERICAL WEEPING AND SOBBING READING THIS ASK* ............................................................................thank u 😭😭😭

I will do both Izaya and Shizuo and Shizaya because I love and hate them separately but equally and I would inject their bottled relationship directly into my veins sometimes.

Anyway,

Izaya:

Izaya 100% spent his birthday entirely by himself at least once when he was a kid. He didn't really think of it as a big deal until he realized that his classmates would get acknowledged and gifted things on their birthdays and it was just like an 'oh okay, that's one of those things about me that aren't normal' moment.

I think Izaya would be the type to cry just because every once in a while. It's probably why he talks to himself honestly. He just needs to feel like someone else is responding so he won't be tempted to start knocking around in that head of his and once again start his long-standing debate on if he hates himself or not.

I HC that he had a conversation with Shinichi Tsukumoya about why Shizuo hates him one time and Izaya did not come out of that conversation with a whole lot of dignity, hating Shinichi Tsukumoya even deeper by the end of it, and hating Shizuo deeper via proxy.

Is probably vaguely aware of the fact that Namie pities him and compensates for and tries to combat this fact by pranking and annoying her at work. Spoiler alert Izaya: it just makes her feel even worse for you, and possibly remind her of her little brother a little bit oops.

I know this one isn't that popular but I hc him as being very weird about physical intimacy with strangers, like even hugs or pets on the head? He's good at playing it cool when it's someone he's trying to keep up the act around and being latched onto the arm by someone has become old hat by now, but he's probably the stiffest hugger you ever felt (but also at the same time if he IS comfortable with the person he's very good at giving physical affection but this isn't sad so it goes in small)

He's probably never had anyone tuck him into bed before. If he fell asleep somewhere that wasn't his bed, he'd have to pick himself up and go get into bed himself rather than being carried.

The fact that he canonically can't cook for himself very well implies that he either ate mostly junk food (which he also canonically dislikes) or he went out all the time, so imagine this little 15 year old kid frequenting restaurants by himself paying for full course dinners (which is very common in Japan but STILL what a lonely bastard).

Probably has a lot of restless nights at present day in canon as he lives most of his life in pain. He can still shower by himself though which means he probably spends time in his bathroom crying about how hard his life is and how much he hates himself (confirmed).

Okay Izaya, I'm done picking on you. Now Shizuo!

He probably rarely gets to hug anyone and even when he does it can never be more than like. A light squeeze if that. He's going to crush someone. It's not a matter of maybe. It's guaranteed. With that said, please ignore that fanfic writers let him hug as much and as hard as he wants. Or not, do what you want.

He's probably only really held hands with his brother and like a small handful of individuals. Touching Shizuo is probably really intimidating because if he moves against you or moves in any way that your body might resist, he is likely to hurt you. He made Masaomi flip into the air with a flick. People are justifiably afraid of him.

In contrast to how I feel about Izaya, I think Shizuo has not cried in a long time. He probably doesn't even know if he can cry. Wonders if the only emotion he can feel nowadays besides dull calm is rage. Of course logically he knows that he feels things like normal but the extreme feelings probably feel very vague compared to rage.

While he has traveled some in the novels, I still get the feeling that unless something drastically changes in his life, he will be stuck doing the same thing in Ikebukuro for the rest of his life. The novels do imply that Tom is considering moving on with his career and if that's the case I'm not entirely sure what that would mean for Shizuo, but. Shizuo is still in a place where he has to count on others to protect his way of life.

I hc that the real reason he couldn't take Yuigadokusonmaru (the cat) wasn't simply because he didn't have time/space, but because he was afraid any prolonged period of time spent with a small animal would result in him harming him by accident, which is probably also why Shizuo doesn't keep a pet. (However it does look like Kasuka would trust him with his pet and in all honesty I think he'd be fine but Shizuo just thinking he can't have a pet because he might hurt it hurts me.)

Has definitely broken furniture in his apartment and just had to go without for a little bit; which isn't super sad or anything but that's such a frustrating fact to just have to live with.

I doubt he's the type to sit and brood by himself, but he probably did spend his more formative years wondering what the hell was wrong with him or what the hell he did to deserve the life he was dealt. He looks back on those years of self pity with irritation and embarrassment even though sometimes he feels like he hasn't found the answer.

Just as much as Izaya has PTSD from their fight, I hc Shizuo as having some semblance of trauma formed from the events of that night, even if it's not as extreme. I just can't make sense of Shizuo just making it out of that fight completely unmarred or bothered by anything besides just wondering if he and Izaya could have gotten along. Something had to have triggered it.

Are we ready for Shizaya angst now?? Always. Tw: break up scenarios

Neither of them have ever been in a serious relationship and you know what?? They are bad at it!! Very bad! They say things that hurt each other all the time, sometimes cutting deep old wounds they didn't even realize were there! And you know what? They're both manchildren. They don't know how to process that healthily all the time. So sometimes the only thing they're held together by is knowing that this thing between them is Good and that they're both better than the other acted like they were and that's okay.

Shizuo probably accidentally hurts Izaya more than once, just from forgetting how feeble Izaya actually is. He can literally give him a bruise with a flick on the forehead. It's not good. Shizuo has to learn restraint, which is historically not something he is good at. Would this work in a real life relationship??? Absolutely not. If your partner accidentally physically abuses you, you don't need to be together and they need to work on themselves. PSA over.

Neither one of them knows how to seek out physical or emotional comfort because they are both so accustomed to looking after themselves from the majority of their adult lives (and most of their childhood let's be read), so they might need or desire something and have no idea how to begin communicating that.

They are probably both terrible kissers at first. I don't imagine Izaya as a well practiced natural kisser even if he probably understands in theory. They're probably both way up in their own head, and definitely convinced that there's something wrong with themselves personally. You know, like teenagers might think.

They both know exactly what to say to cut each other down, because... they used to be enemies, you know? Still are in some Shizaya cases. And when they're angry at each other, it's difficult to hold anything Back. They sometimes insult to hurt, and that's something they have to learn to stop doing.

I, of course, think Shizaya are soulmates and could make each other the best possible versions of themselves, however ultimately I think if Shizuo decided that he and Izaya weren't right for each other he'd leave because he wants what's best for both of them, while Izaya would stay because he could never let go of the individual feeling of love he felt for Shizuo, and unlike Shizuo I don't think Izaya could ever fall out of love. It's not a matter of I think one loves the other more or that one is more codependent or toxic, but rather that all love looks differently from person to person and Izaya's love is like a lobster's love for its mate and Shizuo's is just too unselfish.

I also hc that Shizuo's more romantic than Izaya so if he felt like Izaya was better off/happier with someone else then he'd move on whereas Izaya would need prompting. While I think there is a slim chance that Izaya would take revenge if Shizuo got a new partner, he's more likely to just slink off into the shadows never to be seen again, especially by Shizuo. Which, Shizuo would never cheat imo. Never ever never.

I hc that Izaya asks Shizuo a lot of hypothetical, irritatingly dark questions ('Would you find love again if I died tragically in front of you?' and the like) with the front that he's just trying to annoy Shizuo but really he's just anxiously trying to confirm Shizuo's continued interest in the relationship (which Shizuo usually does by answering seriously or by being so sarcastically dry about it that Izaya knows he's joking).

Anyway thank you thank you thank you for asking me for headcanons it's such an honor always to be asked for headcanons and rants and my thoughts about anything. *blows kiss*

Shizaya week 2022 Day 3: there was only one bed

...and they spend all the night fighting over it. At the end, any of them slept on it.

waht the deer doing

My issue with Izaya being a damsel in distress who needs Shizuo to save him is like. Do yall not remember Yodogiri Jinnai lmao. Izaya got stabbed and the moment he got his bearings back he tore that whole shit down just to prove a fucking point. Shizuo doesn’t need to rescue Izaya, at best Izaya would have him there just to show off a little or because he wants to see Shizuo beat someone’s ass not because he needs him there

And if he did ever get helped without asking for it first he’d be such a little angry bitch about it. He’d be snarling and clawing and spitting the whole time not whimpering and saying “thank you” he’s a prick for a reason

OKAY I WAS NOT EXPECTING PEOPLE TO LIKE MY RESPONSE TO THE REPOST AND I APPRECIATE IT A LOT 😭😭

Now onto what I want to say, it's about what I stated earlier. There is something I would like to address that I noticed a bit after spending some time in the greek mythology whirlpool of wonderful chaos. Although there really aren't that many, I still want to address how there are people out there who seem to get very confused about Odysseus's character and what's what, and then accidentally say things that never actually happened with his character and then it leaves everyone upset and embarrassed which sucks because it's not really anyone's fault, and not many people are actually explaining it all, so that's what I'm going to do here to hopefully save some people from having to go through everything. I hope this doesn't get buried in the Tumblr algorithm as I'm honestly not doing this for likes or praise or any of that, I really just want this to get out there and help others get a better grasp of it all so everyone can enjoy their greek mythology fun in peace and maybe even help others get into the fun as well! ^^

First off I have to state this:

The only canon Odysseus is in Homer's Odyssey and Homer's Iliad, he was the creator of the character and all the characters within both book series. If the one you are reading isn't authored by Homer then it is an iteration therefore it is not canon to the actual story.

Now with that being said, and before I go any further, this doesn't mean you shouldn't read the different iterations or modern takes on the character, I mean why else do you think aus and fanfiction are a thing as well? (And ones created for this story as well because this fanbase is LIVELY) That's basically exactly what this all is except it's about an ancient story. People create different versions, spread different information which is either not what happened in the canon story or completely taken out of context. And these things happen, it's a story all the way back in ancient times, games like telephone are bound to happen and that's okay, no one should be at eachother's throats about it as it's out of people's control and happens with many and I mean many modern shows and stories as well.

But what I do suggest is just applying basic principles to it like we do now, such as:

*If you read an iteration of the story and you mention something from it, make sure you state it's from an iteration so that way people won't get confused with the actual story

*You don't have to read all books of Homer's Odyssey and the Iliad, but when you hear something from it you should do a quick look up about it to make sure you have all the context and that it was from Homer's story and not an iteration.

*Don't assume anything and make a comment about it immediately. I am sure every single person here did the same about something regarding Homer's Odyssey and Iliad at some point, I can almost guarantee it. If not then great for them ^^. But the point is, if you jump to assumptions and misinterpret something then make a claim about it, unfortunately the results don't turn out in your favor. So it's best to do your own research on it first before taking what is said as fact.

Basically just do your own research first before jumping to any conclusions, besides learning more about something can you discover something you may really enjoy that you haven't thought about before! :D

Now, onto the real elephant in the room, which is Odysseus's character. And we are going to be talking about Odysseus's character in Homer's Odyssey and Homer's Iliad and hopefully this helps to clear some things up for those that both aren't looking to get into the whole story and for those who are, so here we go! ^^

"Odysseus cheated on his wife! He committed Adultery!" : This is the biggest one that I have heard, and it is in fact false. Odysseus is unfortunately a major victim of SA both from Circe and Calypso, and while Circe's was more subtle, Calypso's wasn't as she kept him there for seven years. Odysseus was one of the few men in greek mythology who was 100% loyal and faithful to his wife till the very end and beyond. He didn't want any other woman, he wanted Penelope. He fought for Penelope, he loved Penelope and no one else.

"Odysseus committed mass murder and killed a bunch of people!": If you are talking about what happened with the Trojan horse then yes, you are correct, however this is often taken out of context. The truth of the matter is that is just how war is. During the fight they already lost Achilles (basically their version of a superhero) in battle, and Odysseus being the advisor had to weigh out the options between the two which is either continue as is and risk losing more lives or create the horse and not risk as many lives. It was a desperation move, and all of it was thrown onto Odysseus to take charge, but the situation needed to be done or no one would make it back home alive.

"Didn't he literally throw and kill a baby? What's up with that?": Yes but again, taken out of context, Odysseus was given a vision that the baby would grow older and kill a bunch of innocent people, so he had to make the choice whether he should kill the baby or not. Zeus was standing there like "Yeet the baby, Odysseus, yeet the child." And Odysseus, not wanting anyone he cared for to die, killed the child. It was a tough choice that he was faced with, as it would be for anyone in his shoes.

"Wasn't he overconfident and got in trouble a lot? Didn't his pride cause him to reveal his name to the Cyclops? He really must not be a good person." : Yes for the first part but no for the second part, he was overconfident and that would sometimes get him into trouble, like with the Cyclops. He was young, bold, confident, and although said to be one of the wisest men there was (which is true) he too had to grow and mature out of his own hubris. He wasn't perfect, and neither are we, he made mistakes but nothing outlandish that made him bad, it just showed that he was human and had done his own mistakes in life, just like we have.

There are many other things as well, Odysseus killed one of the kings on the Trojan side of war and took his horses but he did that because he knew one of the only ways they could stand a chance in the war is getting those horses. Odysseus's friend Ajax the greater killed himself after Odysseus defeated him for the armor of Achilles, however what happened after that was none of Odysseus's fault, as Athena decided to be the one to drive Ajax the greater mad and it caused him to kill the sheep and then himself afterwards out of shame. Odysseus's even tried pleading for forgiveness from him in the underworld (even though none of it was his fault) but Ajax the greater refused to acknowledge him and walked off. Then you have Palamedes, in Homer's Odyssey he was sent to bring Odysseus to war, so he decided to put Odysseus's infant son in front of his plow which caused Odysseus to swerve out of the way, and Odysseus was then forced to go to war to protect his son which then later caused all of these things to happen throughout both stories. Odysseus didn't take that well and he cleverly placed a forged letter and gold in Palamedes tent and got him framed for treason, and Palamedes was stoned to death (and honestly he had that coming)

Now, does any of this mean I want you to go and do what Odysseus did? No, please for the love of god please don't. What all of this does mean though, is that Odysseus was not a bad person, but instead a good guy put in some of the worse positions and situations possible surrounded by people who spoke with their fists rather than their heart. In fact, despite his "I'm so balling right now" personality causing him to get into trouble, he was one of the kindest, wisest, loyal and empathetic people you could meet back then which was incredibly rare back in those times. He went to literal hell and back for 20 years just to get to his family again, he stuck by his men despite them screwing things up multiple times over, same situation was with Agamemnon and Achilles as well, so he kind up to a fault. He was kind respectful to his people, he didn't care what status you were or where you came from, you were treated with respect and kindness all the same, and that inspired one of his workers to be the same when he invited a certain beggar in his home, and that act of kindness spread through the heart of Ithaca as a whole, but when he left it was all gone. To have that much of an impact on people because of kindness just shows how good of a person he really was. And with happened to Ithaca when he left it, it also showed how much the world did not deserve that kindness, but it certainly needed it.

So in conclusion, yes Odysseus made mistakes, and he was by no means perfect, but he shouldn't be seen as perfect or expected to be perfect. He is a really good guy dealing with getting screwed over by literally everyone around him. He made mistakes, he broke down, he fell at times, but he got back up, never lost his kind heart or his true self, and in the end made it back to his family and got a happy ending. Odysseus was and always will be the embodiment of what it truly means to be a human being going throw the troubles of life, what if feels like to go through it and how it affects certain actions you take, and to stay true to your heart no matter what, and overall to never give up. And I hope those who are out there who hate his character due to misinformation are able to see his character for what he is rather than what others make him out to be.

WOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS, I was not expecting to type that much but I really needed to get this out there. I hope all you greek geeks have a lovely day and night and I'll see you next time! ^^

I gotta take a nap after all of that ^^"

another bad take from that one post (we ALL know the one) that kinda got buried under all the ableism is that izaya's mistreatment of those suicidal girls was a just action and done out of pity for, like, "actual" suicidal people?

like. analyzing izaya's relationship with suicide and why he has this... uh.... "hobby" in general is super interesting, and here its just the most blandest woobified interpertation of it possible

like- if izaya IS mentally ill and the symptoms of said mental illness are why he's Like That, it creates this interesting thought of, suicide is the natural endpoint of those girls' mental illnesses, and izaya's actions are the natural endpoint of his. suicide is both a) understandable from the standpoint of how it reduces (er, eliminates) the victim's suffering and b) incredibly hurtful and damaging to those in the victim's perprhiary. AND notwithstanding suicide, mentally ill people whos symptoms cause them to hurt others are (generally) given compassion and understanding for their symptoms, while still being held accountable for the harm they've caused.

so if izaya's actions are from untreated mental illness, can they be seen thru this same framework? about how his actions are understandable from his perspective since they (at least in the moment) migitate his suffering, but are also extremely hurtful? and that, because everyone around him wants him to be held accountable or for karma to get his ass, without having any compassion or understanding of his symptoms, that a fundamantal aspect of this setup is missing and that's why nothing ever seems to change? because people see him not as a mentally ill person deluding himself into thinking that his symptoms are all active decisions made by him that he's in control over, while actively losing control of them, but as an iredeemable and actively malicious man who genuinley IS on top of things and orchestrated literally everything- basically, believing the lie he puts on for people, including himself?

and another angle is WHY he fixates on suicide specifically. was he suicidal in middle school when he was more reserved? does it have ties to his thanatophobia in that he wants to understand what drives a person to suicide, only to be repeatedly dissapointed when its mundane reasons AND that they're scared of dying? (ergo, something COULD happen to him that can drive him to suicide, since these girls were driven to it by a mundane event- AND that his fear of death will not save him from these urges)

does he realize that his plan to die in battle DOES count as a suicide, and he's projecting those feelings onto other people and focusing on their suicidal ideation instead of his own?

it's a fascinating topic!!!