Asking On Anon Because I Feel Like Maybe This Is A Stupid Question - I'm Sorry To Ask! In CQL Why Does

Asking on anon because I feel like maybe this is a stupid question - I'm sorry to ask! In CQL why does everyone turn against NHS? I assumed originally it is LWJ and WWX being protective of LXC because he's clearly all kinds of f-ed up by NHS tricking him into murdering his sworn brother JGY. But they imply NHS is the devil which seems harsh? JGY did all those things, NHS didn't make him and if I understand timeline wasn't even plotting at the time of most of them. Is NHS a villain? I'm confused!

Hi Anon! 

To answer that question I think it fundamentally boils down to 阴谋诡计 vs 正大光明. 

I don’t think everyone is turning “against” NHS - that would be misreading their last interaction. Their last interaction in front of the wall of discipline is a “masks off” moment, where all characters are more or less showing their hand and being on the same page with each other. NHS is no longer pretending to be the “i don’t know” sniffling, weak idiot, and Wei Wuxian makes it known that he knows NHS was the one behind the string of events starting from Wei Wuxian’s own resurrection. 

Even though NHS had good motivations for doing what he did, and even though he never tried to actively hurt anyone, he achieved his goal (avenging his brother) through  阴谋诡计.  What this means is that his methods were all shadowy, underhanded, based on subterfuge and misdirection. It is not as canon would call it the “bright, sunny path” or  正大光明. 

To avenge his brother he had lied to the people who would be his friends, Wei Wuxian, Jiang Cheng, even Lan Xichen. He used the people around him like chess pieces, leading them down the route he laid for them until Jin Guangyao’s evil has been revealed. I think it is strongly implied that Mo Xuanyu’s self-sacrifice was in part because of Nie Huaisang’s influence/persuasion. He released Nie Mingjue’s saber spirit, causing the death of the Mo family. Yes the Mo family were a group of hateful characters, and none of us are all that sorry for them, but death is still death, murder is still murder. 

Yet while he wasplotting, he outwardly portrayed himself as this innocent, I know nothing, I’m harmless individual. 

In a way, Nie Huaisang walked his own single plank road. The difference between Wei Wuxian and Nie Huaisang is that while circumstances both forced them to do things they other wouldn’t do, Wei Wuxian never hid his true self from anyone. Never tried to be “kinder” than he really was. Nie Huaisang however wore a mask until the end. 

It is a cultural trope I think for drama characters to be wary of - if not actively dislike - the scheming individuals, even if their scheming is well intended. Because a scheme always has collaterals and the person who schemes often never has to bear consequences of their actions. Culturally, it is seen as not the righteous path. 

But as CQL demonstrated, those who take the righteous path are often idiots who end up dead so... I personally see nothing wrong with scheming to avenge one’s murdered brother. 

If NHS didn’t play the careful game that he did, he was never going to beat Jin Guangyao. Jin Guangyao is too smart and careful. If you wanna beat him, you’re gonna have to get on his level, and that’s what Nie Huaisang did. 

But do I understand why Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji are wary of NIe Huaisang? Uhm yeah, because here is a man with great intellect and depth and fortitude that he was able to fool the greatest villains and heroes of their generation. There is a certain cold ruthlessness to Nie Huasiang as well; he did not hesitate to use Lan Xichen to kill Jin Guangyao (his sworn brother and lover, I think they’re lovers, sue me). 

But LWJ and WWX understood why NHS did what he did, that’s why they didn’t confront him outright. There’s an unspoken understanding between them that they know each other’s true nature now, and for all the lies that led them to this point, it’s no wonder they can’t go back to the youths that they once were.  

okay here’s my frickin goddamn

jiang cheng and lan wangji post because we know a) jiang cheng spends those years after wwx’s death supposedly chasing down demonic cultivators, torturing them and whatnot, and b) lan wangji speds those same years - after he’s out of seclusion - chasing down rumors of any and all strange activity, going where the danger is

they are obviously BOTH searching for wei wuxian, although as to what they’re hoping to find? neither of them can be sure. @acutebird-fics and I postulate that they’re both just looking for some Damn Closure.

but here’s the hilarious part okay. sooner or later, they run into each other. sooner or later they’re like ugh fuck what is HE doing here. sooner or later, they have to realize, not necessarily voicing it out loud, that they’re searching for the same damn thing.

think their awkward little tea party from the show’s second episode, only every other month in increasingly ludicrous destinations. think jiang cheng arriving somewhere remote and supposedly teeming with resentful energy, only to find lan wangji sitting down already playing his guqin, looking disinterested (and also maybe slightly sad) as he announces sect leader jiang’s help will not be needed, goodbye.

please think about a letter for hanguang-jun’s hands only, that goes along the lines of ‘so. there’s that cult. near yunping or whatever. just in case you’re headed that way. because I don’t really have the time. do with this information what you will. don’t even THINK about writing back. unless of course you find something. I don’t know. interesting. whatever. BURN THIS.’

just the two of them comparing notes a little bit, never acknowledging doing so, and inadvertently keeping tabs on each other throughout the years. that’s what I want to see, thank you and goodnight.

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