I Just Read Someone Commenting That Odysseus Is The Most Suffering Of The Achaeans Because He's A Father?

I just read someone commenting that Odysseus is the most suffering of the Achaeans because… he's a father? Like, yeah, it's sad for him and Telemachus, but he's literally not the only father who misses his children. He didn't suffer more than anyone else because of it.

When Agamemnon went to Troy, Orestes was just a baby. And Agamemnon complains to Odysseus that Clytemnestra wouldn't let him see Orestes, so he didn't even get to see his son's face after 10 years. And contrary to popular belief, Agamemnon WAS saddened by Iphigenia's sacrifice (depending on the version, she is alive. But there is no way for Agamemnon to know this as we see in Iphigenia at Tauris, so either way for him she was dead). And he had other daughters!

Achilles didn't even get to raise Neoptolemus. And contrary to popular belief, he did care about Neptolemus. While mourning the death of Patroclus, he literally uses the idea of ​​losing Peleus and Neoptolemus as a metric for his grief. Not only that, he talks about how he planned for Patroclus to take care of Neoptolemus, which indicates that he was thinking about his son. He asks Odysseus about Neoptolemus, showing that he thought of him even after he died. Depending on the myth, his ghost appears to Neoptoleums after Odysseus recruits him.

When Menelaus went to Troy, he left nine-year-old Hermione behind. Unlike the others, she didn't even have a mother at home.

Nestor went to war with two of his sons, one of whom (Antilochus) was not only too young for war but also died in it. And Nestor is shown mourning Antilochus, it was horrible for him. And not only that, Antilochus wasn't even the youngest, Nestor had younger sons (and daughters!) at home.

So this whole thing about Odysseus suffering more because he's a father doesn't make any sense. Why does anyone need to have a "I suffered more" medal in the first place?

(It wasn't on Tumblr, no point looking for the post)

Achilles weeping over the death of Patroclus, Penthesilea and Antilochus

In the meantime, Briseis, next to him

She is as tired of him as all the greek camp

I find it funny that after Patroclus died, Achilles made Antilochus his new closest companion, only for Antilochus to die next😭😭😭

i support clytemnestra killing agamemnon and i also support orestes/electra killing clytemnestra. yes those things can and do coexist.

People are reading the Iliad, and conclude that the meaning is anger, ok that's what Homer said too, let's think more.

They didn't understand the destruction of human life, how important it is to be remembered, and whether it all make sense. War is evil, and if you want to win, you have to be evil, and only the gods are responsible, and they are the only ones who can stop it.

THE MEANING IS HUMANITY IN WAR AND IS IT IMPORTANT TO BE REMEMBERED IDIOTS.

Read books 6,9, and 24 again and really read the books nicely and carefully.

Pay attention to every man who has a family and will leave it for what for the gods who are ready to use them as playthings.

AND ALSO, this is an old ancient culture that was very important the sentence "tooth for tooth eye for eye son for son."

Greek Mythology is nasty nasty please don't forget that.

Oh yeah and this too

Kleos (Ancient Greek: κλέος) is the Greek word often translated to "renown", or "glory". It is related to the English word "loud" and carries the implied meaning of "what others hear about you". A Greek hero earns kleos through accomplishing great deeds.

According to Gregory Nagy, besides the meaning of "glory", kleos can also be used as the medium (in this case, the ancient Greek poetry or song) which conveys glory.

Ok, thanks, that's my thought for the day <3

Clytemnestra was way too lenient I wouldn’t have stopped with just killing Agamemnon I would’ve hunted down every single surviving Greek leader that stood by and did nothing (or worst straight up participated) as my daughter was slaughtered like an animal.

People who hate or dislike Athena and Hera are objectively stupid.

They can't stand strong female characters

I hate seeing hate for my girls <3