... Okay I Know I Said I Would Post This Yesterday... But Time Is Just A Construct And Isnt Real!

... Okay I know I said I would post this yesterday... but time is just a construct and isn’t real!

Morning! I hope you’ve had a great day or night, If not don’t worry it’ll get better! Like I said I just wanted to talk about Tommy and Tubbo’s friendship and how we got to where we are in the plot. I won’t waste your time so let’s just start. 

Also keep in mind that they are just playing characters and Tubbo and Tommy are still good friends!

(Also I just realised someone who I've followed for a while and think is genuinely funny reblogged one of my posts and I'm so fucking happy, thank you so much you made my day!) 

Okay so in the DreamSMP, Tommy and Tubbo arguably have the strongest friendship, like a dynamic duo. But I think everyone at this point knows what has happened in their most recent streams if not, go watch the VOD’s since I don’t want to cause spoilers for people who haven’t seen the VOD’s but TLDR: Tommy fucked up and Tubbo isn’t happy with him. 

With it came kinda a divide in the fandom on who was in the right and who was in the wrong. I already made it clear I agree with the Tubbo side of the fandom in this since when he called Tommy out on being selfish I 100% agreed with him also, to be blunt Tommy’s characters was just acting like a over confident dick. I get that Tommy’s character has suffered a lot and deserves some happiness but, he just acted reckless and also dragged Tubbo into a deeper mess then he was already in.

At the start of the war, as in when it was just Dream vs Tommy (feels like a long time ago actually) Tubbo could’ve easily backed out since it really had nothing to do with him but, he decided to help because of how close him and Tommy were. I wanna bring something up I said: “Through most of the story Tubbo has been the most calm and rational as well as has arguable sacrificed a lot for Tommy and when it came time for Tommy to finally repay Tubbo he basically spat in his face and showed that at his worst Tommy can be incredible selfish.” and even now I stand by that! Tubbo lost his wooden house after Dream burnt it down (during the war Tommy had a hand in starting), he spent hours collecting materials and was killed multiple times (in the same war Tommy had a hand in starting). 

Even Tommy couldn’t seemingly think of anything notable he had done for Tubbo since all he said was that he had put his disc’s aside for 2 conflicts he had a hand in starting “I put them to the side every other time when there was a crazy man when there was a dictator every time” he and Wilbur chose to have the election. Tubbo even brought it up himself “You couldn't do one thing for me! You couldn't do one just one thing and it was for your own good” and even when Tubbo was upset with Tommy and was proven that he only cared about his disks Tubbo still tried to help him get out of a bad situation which falls in line with who he his as a person. I will admit there are possibly some moments where Tommy did do something for Tubbo but, either they were too minor to remember or they never happened (really if anyone can think of anything give me a heads up, I don’t want to sound like a bigger moron.)

Speaking about personality, I’ve seen people bring up the fact that Tommy would never exile Tubbo, and ya! 100% fair and valid point Tommy needs Tubbo as much as Tubbo needs Tommy but, bring up the stream again Tubbo said: “so you know what if the if the roles were reversed as you said (...) you wouldn't exile me because I would have actually listened to you and done what you said” Tubbo has pretty much always made an effort to listen to his friends, and to help them but like I said “You can only push a person so far before they push back” Tubbo’s character has listened for a while and has finally pushed back against Tommy.

I feel like this has started to become a “Bullying TommyInnit’s character post” I don’t mean that I just started typing and here we are. So before it does turn into bullying I should move on. Now, I know when it comes to who is morally right between them, there isn’t really a clean cut answer. While Tommy has proven himself to be incredibly selfish at his worst, Tubbo has done things that could make him look like bad friend but, in my opinion he hasn’t reached his lowest point.

... Soooo I don’t really know how to end something like this, I mostly have short responses and not long carefully typed out ones. I’m sorry if I sounded harsh during this I just started typing and wasn’t thinking fully. Thank you for reading!

(By the way please keep in mind that no matter if Tommy does get exiled please don’t hate on Tubbo also, they are just playing characters at the and they are still friends. )

I would like to put in my input.

Quackity and Fundy are saying how Tubbo is turning into Schlatt but I don’t see it.

What I see is Tubbo turning into Dream.

A guy who just wants peace and puts his server/nation first even if it means he’s seen as a villain.

tubbo did absolutely nothing wrong: an essay

ok so during the original exile stream (especially tommy's), the chat was first very hyped about tommy's idea of going to war, temporarily forming an alliance with the Blade. and when he got exiled by tubbo, the chat was so furious that some even went "cancel tubbo the traitor".

while i do understand some of the chat's reactions were only in response to the storyline, i still wanna discuss about tubbo's position here.

it's almost if he's the villain here, even on twitter he tweeted "i'm not the villain" or smth like that, albeit an extension of his character outside of the game.

but people who genuinely think him to be a traitor fail to understand that, as a political representative of the state of l'manberg, it would be so incredily irresponsible and stupid to prioritize tommy over l'manberg. under the threat of a man who had enough resources and allies to gather up 8 stacks of obsidion to surround your country, how would it be a wise move to retalliate against him and gO tO wAr when everything in your country was at stake?

if we explore the war option, we could see just how naive and idealistic it is. in terms of firepower and military stregth, no offence to any l'manbergians, they dont have shit. the president doesn't even have armor. yes they could summon the Blade, but why exactly would the Blade help a government only to make another enemy, arguably the most powerful one on the server, may I ask?

tommy's "let's go to war" is nothing but further proof that he is too immature and cocky to be in a position such as the vp of l'manberg. he has no strategy, no good plan to either l'manberg's agenda, or his own disc agenda. if he wanted to succeed in getting his discs back, he needed a good and viable plan to restle with the green man, and play his mindgames, without real attachments to anyone or anything (or at least dont show them) much like the green man himself.

tubbo, was simply being a just, mature, rational president. unlike tommy, he learned to think of the big picture. i'd dare to argue that exiling tommy hurt him as much as it did tommy. it was unfair to compare him with JSchlatt, the reasons being clear enough for anyone to see: 1. tommy and wilbur's exile under schlatt was due to schlatt's wish to rid of his political opponents, an act of dictatorship and tyranny---limiting free speech and therefore any democracy. 2. tommy's exile under tubbo was due to tommy's own doing---burning down george's house. it was a mere consequence of his own action, though implemented with malice on dream's side. however, if tommy hadn't continue to aggrevate dream by being plain stupid, exilation was the outcome that could have been so easily avoided, thanks to tubbo's exellent negotiation with dream prior to tommy's mistake.

in essence, tubbo is one of the best l'manberg president as of yet, though that's not saying much. but this has clearly taken a toll on the character's emotional well-being. i wish he could grow his country steadily and quietly, gear up, get good, and one day fight back against that green man. but today's clearly not the day.

FWT WEDDING SPOILERS WITH NO CONTEXT

In Dream’s defense, if I had a wedding and AFTER the objections my best friend shouted “OBJECTION!!!!!” way too late, then gave me a chicken, pulled me behind a pillar and the kissed me…

I’d freak out too! My fight or flight instic would activate and I would just yeet myself out of this uncomfortable situation.

Okay, okay, it took me a good two hours to figure out what the hell Tubbo was up to with his Arc, but I guess I finally got it.

First, he is still angry with Tommy for putting everyone in L'manburg at danger and avoiding any responsibility. Tommy lied, denied everything, twisted the facts, and finally made a terrible non-apology. He was one hundred percent himself when everyone asked him to be literally anything else.

Second: "The only thing I care about" hit way too hard. Let's add "I never wanted you for president" and we will get a recipe for model communication problems.

Third and most importantly: Tommy's exile was a show of power. Not for Dream - for L'manburg. Primarily for Fundy and Quackity.

Tubbo is well-liked, kind, helpful and always there when he is needed, but not respected as president. People ask him for his opinion, then ignore it completely, shout him over and take advantage of every moment of his hesitation.

Tommy, by contrast, despite being labeled "loud stupid child", has a lot of charisma and people want to follow him, even if his plan is stupid (Third and a half: his plan was stupid.). Quackity and Fundy may have been furious with him, but they joined him almost immediately after he started blackmailing Dream, leaving Tubbo alone.

Tommy's a good VP. But only if he has someone who can control him and keep him in check.

I think Tubbo finally realized he didn't have that power. They balance perfectly as friends but not as leaders, and as long as Tommy is around, Tubbo will always be in his shadow, even with a higher rank.

Tubbo isn't next Schlatt. He's trying his best and he actually care about L'manburg. To the point, that he chooses it over his friend. And we may consider it morally wrong from the perspective of ordinary people, but that's exactly what leaders should do.

Tl; dr: Tommy's exile was the only way L'manburg would finally have a good leader.

Can I understand Tubbo? Yes.

Do I agree with him? Fuck no, I'm Tommy's apologist and I feel VERY betrayed right now!