The Kamski Test Observations And Hypothesis (aka Prepare Yourselves For A Fuckin Game-theory)

The Kamski Test – Observations and Hypothesis (aka prepare yourselves for a fuckin game-theory)

Right, so testing deviancy, we all know Kamski came up with a pretty, um, INSANE? way to test that. His test is extreme, but it tells me a lot of about his character and view of humanity, and clears up a bit of the mystery that made me curios about his character in the first place. If you consider deviancy to be the pass scenario, which I would because Kamski immediately looses interest in Connor if he shoots and intrigue seems to be how the creator positively reacts to people, then what is it that this truly tests?

Deviancy, or consciousness, can’t really be measured, humans have tried in the past and even in 2038 Elijah hasn’t figured it out. We’ve created lots of tests to test different aspects of what we think makes someone conscious, and to be honest his experiment isn’t all that different from our tests on rats. We’ve tested rats by showing them a button and another rat, when the button is pushed the second rat receives an electric shock and food is given, comparable to shooting and killing and then receiving the reward of information in the Kamski test. Most rats after seeing the second animal hurt register this and stop pushing the button, showing empathy, a lot of animals show empathy actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa16P4nFgD8- a similar experiment to the button test, rats prove to aid other rats in distress even when offered food.

And this is exactly what Kamski is testing, empathy, something he considers to indicate deviancy or consciousness. Most see Kamski as cold hearted for such a morbid test, that he’s insane, the villain, evil, a mad scientist of sorts- yet he considers empathy a necessary part of consciousness, kind of contradictory if you ask me. The justification for the extremity in this test is due to the fact that Androids are more advanced thinkers than rats; he couldn’t very well give the same shock and food response. Because of their intelligence the stakes of the situation had to be raised, rats had to figure out pain was being cause, but without ever pulling the trigger an android can suss out what will happen before it does through logic. I mean Markus proves androids can make quick predictions (preconstructions) of future action in game when Markus has to make parkour decisions to get to Jericho and to invade the Cyberlife warehouse.

So an android could figure not to shock another android before pushing the button, but would know the consequence wouldn’t outweigh the reward. When Connor showed up Elijah had all the pieces he needed to set up the same exact test for a being of higher intelligence. Connor had a request of Elijah for information, like a treat, and Elijah could then provide a condition on which that bait was provided. He pressured Connor to show empathy over getting the reward. A purely scientific endeavor, though again the means in which this test is conducted are not empathic at all to those within the test. In a way our treatment of rats and testing by using distress as a motivator is comparable, forcing their empathy to show by hurting another one of their kind?

Wait… what made Androids go deviant again? Oh that’s right, high levels of distress and unsafe situations. And you know what the androids under stress did when they became conscious? Exactly as the rats did and showed pro-social empathic behavior to their own kind by freeing them from their distress. Huh, its almost like Kamski knew it would happen, like he purposefully set up the situation to be a massive scale experiment to prove Android consciousness. He couldn’t very well program it into them, but he cold give them means to be conscious, give them the exact scenario that would prove, Scientifically, that Androids were conscious. I mean the guy has an IQ of 171, so I mean, obviously he’s smart about it.

But I still wonder why? Why did Kamski want to create life? Did he want to create life at all? I think it’s evident that he hoped they would be, he likes when Connor becomes deviant- rewarding him for passing the test by giving him the way out of Cyberlife’s grasp. In his promo before he left, or was discharged from Cyberlife, he goes on to say “And who knows maybe one day our leaders, to make the best decisions for humanity.” ??? Like, I’m sorry but that is not something someone who designed Androids for the express purpose of obedience would say. Giving them leadership positions means they don’t obey, and if they were to make decisions on behalf of humanity you know what they’d have to do? FUCKING SHOW EMPATHY. Of course on TV he can’t just blab that he’s trying to create and mass-produce a new kind of life, the public would shut him down immediately and then the scenario needed to create the life would collapse. I imagine this is why he was discharged from Cyberlife and went to be isolated, where he could watch and observe his test without having to put up a front of a businessman. Kamski is a scientist not an entrepreneur yet for most of his promo video he sounds like he’s advertising. He sounds scripted. Not to mention the “You can trust me.” Is actually the worst lying done ever… in history like dude, just stop you’re bad.

With all this evidence piling up I’m sure a lot of you are pointing to the worst possible ending of the game, when Kamski comes out of hiding and takes the mantle at Cyberlife again. He says a whole lot of stuff that perfectly contradicts the idea that he was in support of, let alone planned, the awakening of new life. He says that androids must be controlled, must be obedient. And yeah, sounds bad right? But I know my fuckin rhetoric okay? Look at the audience, a nation of people distrusting of androids and of Cyberlife, and also the other executives of Cyberlife watching from the background. The occasion? Androids have just become the number one terrorist threat since 9/11, he can’t very well say we shouldn’t have killed them all. As a speaker he’s meant to be the foremost expert on Androids, and he said exactly what the people of the U.S. needed to hear to be placated. “The events in Detroit were a tragedy. But that doesn’t mean WE failed.” WE, Cyberlife, the company that wants to go back to making money again.

What’s going on in his head? Maybe he’s resigned that he failed, that now isn’t the time for new life to be introduced. I can’t logic out that answer, but still, reading closely into Kamski’s behavior shows the crafty bastard may have planned and set up the events of Detroit: Become Human even more than we thought.

I feel like haven’t experienced life enough. I’ll just sit over here in my room on my computer. nah I’m good. I’ll stay inside. This is fun. 19

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Gullfoss. South Iceland.

Another Instance of Thinking too Much About Detroit: Become Human

Ok so I was watching Bryan Dechart’s play through of Detroit and I remembered the whole scene with Hank and the birds, cause there was a lot of fuckin birds. And they were in the mind palace and pigeons in The Nest belong in the same family as doves. In the mind palace they were white doves, a symbol of peace. Maybe its something Cyberlife put in there to put Connor at ease with them, the whole place is kinda designed to be calming. So Cyberlife tries to keep Connor calm and trusting of them, using bird representing peace and love. 

The doves in The Nest are a variation of rock doves/ pigeons, a type of excellent messenger bird that have this trippy ability to always find their way home from any place in the world. Pretty cool right? Not sure what this might symbolize in relation to the story. But i find the fact that Connor is associated with a messenger bird of peace is pretty interesting. He does always return to Cyberlife in the mind palace, so to them that’s his home that he will always find his way back to? Of course if you go deviant you become a free bird, which leads us into Markus’s bird.

The first bird Markus encounter, at lest significantly, are the electronic canaries pictured in Carl’s house. And if that’s not heavy handed symbolism I don’t know what is. A canary in a cage, specifically a human generated life, an imitation. It a direct parallel to Markus, trapped by his programing. A cage. 

Excerpt on canary symbolism - It is symbolic of a transition or spiritual awakening. It may also refer to the craving of an individual for the inner child which would obviously mean innocence. ... ; in the extreme, it could mean entrapment (caged canary). - nice research DBH, well played. 

for Kara - uhh haven’t found one yet. Open to what ya’ll have found. If you do, reblog and let me know your thoughts!

If you wanna read more crazy theories, see my post on the Kamski test, where I analyze the actions of that crafty bastard. 

Things I Do On a Snowy Day at Home

1) Watch Critical Role

2) Shovel

3) Do a puzzle (while watching Critical Role)

4) Work on my DnD campaigns (still watching crit role)

5) Shovel AGAIN

6) Drink hot chocolate (you guesed it, I'm still watching Critical Role)

why can’t I have both?

which one?