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1 year ago

Nothing messes me up like knowing that magic absolutely exists in invader Zim and the only beings to capitalize on its potential are like a tiny handful of sapient primates on Earth. Demonic entities exist and sometimes pay visit to this plane… but only on Earth, as far as we know.?

But then, again, maybe I’m wrong and aliens absolutely do take use of magical forces, and just don’t make the categorical differentiation between the two concepts like we do. Kind of like how Star Wars is literally a high fantasy setting but it has the outward aesthetics of a futuristic sci-fi. Kind of also like how humans are comparatively primitive and ignorant compared to sum of their society’s knowledge. Maybe part of the difference was that they cracked powerful “natural” forces we aren’t even aware of yet. Vortian tech is not only hyper advanced, but actually does things technology should not ever be capable of under the limits of basic physics and universal laws, unless the “infinite power generating thingy” is not a literal concept and is more like a very efficient fusion reactor. The meekrob are still beings of pure unspecified energy, and the standard voot cruiser’s capabilities are far beyond what even Professor Membrane calculates should be possible for interstellar travel.

Spelldrives are fascinating to me in particular

Nothing Messes Me Up Like Knowing That Magic Absolutely Exists In Invader Zim And The Only Beings To

In effect, there’s no practical difference between them and a dnd wizard’s scroll. They’re digitized magical tomes. I never thought about how cool of a concept that was until these babies came along. It’s good proof of concept regarding integrating advanced technology with what is absolutely and without question straight up sorcery. It also applies heavily that warlocks or mages or whatever they would call spell casters in IZ have persisted into the modern world, and have adapted to the current standards of media storage. But that also makes Dib’s collection and use of them extremely reckless because the show clearly conveys he has no idea how they actually work, he understands their powers about as well as I understand Minecraft enchantment tables, and he’s never gotten a moment to speak with one of their intended users. (Plot hook where a very pissed off technomancer finds the twerp who’s been playing with his dangerous af tools like they’re toys when?????)

Your last paragraph I believe encapsulates exactly what I think has been happening to Dib’s perception of magic, this sort of expectation and outcome conflict. The “spiritual” kind of paranormal is an especially difficult beast for him to try to tackle and tame, because by definition, magic does not follow conventional scientific understanding of the world. Aliens and Bigfoot and lake monsters are some things that mostly do. They’re material and grounded, just really damn good at hiding from average humans. Irken technology is something that operates in ways predictable and usable to anyone who can get a firm grasp on its machinations and counter its protections.

And I think Dib runs into a wall when he tries to deal with magic the same exact way. A wall that especially loves to burn him for his naivety and shows how sometimes he can be a lot like his father when it behaves as though it doesn’t want to be conveniently figured out. His disappointment with magic being a very unreliable and high-risk tool, and how it reflects his broader frustration with his whole hobby was the straw that broke the camel’s back in “Mopiness of Doom”, after all.

Nothing Messes Me Up Like Knowing That Magic Absolutely Exists In Invader Zim And The Only Beings To
Nothing Messes Me Up Like Knowing That Magic Absolutely Exists In Invader Zim And The Only Beings To

He also read a freaking pamphlet about Mortos and showed up entitled to a boon without much real respect for the entity, just “Now that I think I know the rules I can command this creature as a weapon that makes me look very badass, like it’s a freaking genie”. Turns out mystical stuff not only takes great offense at his abuse of it, but it’s way more capable of retaliating against an unworthy user than the Takship is. So, he’s probably going to still passively study it where-ever he can, but as far as what to bring to the field and gamble his life on, I wouldn’t blame him for sticking with more reliable methods and gizmos in the meanwhile.

New headcanon, in fact: A lot of Dib’s general misfortune and random events of the universe screwing over victory every time he’s in arm’s reach of it is all actually a karmic result of how thoroughly he’s attracted the spiteful attention of very annoyed higher beings.

Nothing Messes Me Up Like Knowing That Magic Absolutely Exists In Invader Zim And The Only Beings To

Something I wish they did more was having Dib try to combat Zim using magic instead of science. He did try summoning a demon to steal his soul in Mortos and in Mopiness of Doom he attempts to use a talisman from a wizard store in the mall, (which led to him giving up on trying to defeat Zim altogether). But we never really got to see Zim actually try to grapple with magic being used against him.

Normally Zim's knowledge and resources dwarf's Dib's when it's a battle of science vs science, perhaps no better illustrated than in The Wettening. But Zim doesn't know dick about magic or the supernatural, so he'd be way out of his depth trying to combat Dib if he ever found something actually effective he could use against him. You could have Dib use a protection spell that prevents Zim from harming him, or a curse that makes Zim unable to lie, recruit a ghost to harass him in his own home, take control of him with a voodoo doll, or magically summon fire and shoot it out of his hands. Lots of possibilities to keep him on even footing with Zim as their conflicts escalate.

I kinda like the idea of Dib becoming a super powerful warlock who still somehow can't get anything done because of how overwhelmingly corrupt and ineffectual the world around him is and who's also still desperate for approval that he never receives despite how outrageously accomplished and OP he gets. In a way, becoming even more like Zim, who absolutely has the resources to destroy the world, but has no idea how to use them effectively and constantly wastes them on petty skoolyard bullshit.

Either that or everything Dib finds that he thinks he can weaponize against Zim always comes with a serious design flaw or drawback that makes it functionally as useless as the Megadoomer's cloaking device. He studies mystic lore, learns spells, and collects ancient relics, building up this huge knowledge base and arsenal that's almost entirely useless bullshit. Over time he becomes super jaded about magic not living up to the hype. Like, not so jaded he loses the curiosity and enchantment that keeps him pursuing paranormal investigation, but he definitely stops getting excited about the latest source of "untold power" he hears about and approaches the legends with a lot more skepticism about what it can actually do.


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1 year ago

Well I didn’t need any data to confirm that for me. I already know what sort of fandom this is.

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1 year ago

Y’all think it’s a joke when they just flat out started shamelessly leaning into it at some point

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