Israel And Palestine, History, Politics, Confirmation Bias And The Hypocritical Racist Saviourism Of

Israel and Palestine, History, Politics, Confirmation Bias and the Hypocritical Racist Saviourism of the Western Left

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Confirmation bias

"im doing a paper on antisemitism and it so difficult to find sources that aren't pro-isreal. They're all going on about how saying that Israel shouldn't exist is antisemitic. no how is thinking something should not exist if genocide is a part of its creation antisemitic? The Israeli state itself is antisemitic and has continuously failed to support its population of Holocaust victims.

any help on finding decent sources would be much appreciated."

When all of your references are telling you that your starting external point of reference is Antisemitic, that is because it is... You can't unpack your biases and unlearn them by searching for references that confirm your biases. Learn that your assumptions are likely bigoted and you need to learn what you don't know instead of seeking validation of what you believe.

To specifically address "saying that Israel shouldn't exist is Antisemitic", Israel DOES exist and more than 40% of all Jews live there, and no matter your opinion of its founding or the conduct of its government.... unless you intend to conquer Israel by force, and believe me it's been tried, it will not cease to exist by political pressure. So the expression that Israel shouldn't exist is tacit war mongering. There is more to be said on the topic, but that will come later.

More below the cut, very long

But Israel is an "Ethno-State" and that's bad! Isn't it?

First, at least this canard recognises Jews as an ethnic group, but the accusation of Israel as an "Ethno-State", is a deeply uncomfortable canard levelled against a Parliamentary Democracy where the third largest national political party is an Arab Party and 10 Arabs currently hold office in the Knesset. Arabs hold office, serve as judges, they Serve in the IDF as General's and Major's and make up 21% of Citizenship.

SAR-EL - Volunteers for Israel

Israel’s Highest Ranking Muslim Soldier Speaks Out - SAR-EL - Volunteers for Israel

Last week I was privileged to be at a Manchester  ((UK) Zionist Council meeting where two IDF Officers

Where Do Israeli Jews Come From, aren't they western colonisers?

No Israeli citizen and certainly not the vast majority of Jews around the world would want Jews to be a stateless people again. Particularly not the Majority of Israelis who are refugees from the Genocides, Pogroms and Expulsions against the Jewish people across the Middle East and North Africa, their children and grandchildren.

We are painfully aware that after the last century of genocides and expulsions in South West Asia Jews stand on the edge of extinction on the continent of our origin. My family had to flee the Libyan Pogroms and Partition in Pakistan under threat of forced conversion or death... Today there are no Jews in either country, you either fled or you died. Many Jewish communities and traditions that have endured for millennia would be extinct today if not for the safe haven provided by Israel.

the Guardian

The tragedy of the Yemeni Jews | Lyn Julius

Lyn Julius: The government has stood by and let jihadist gangs drive Jews out of Yemen. Now their community is on the brink of extinction

[The above article states that approximately 400 Yemenite Jews remain in Yemen, at time of writing only one remains as a Houthi prisoner.]

Importantly Jews can't colonise our own indigenous homeland, and comments on the skin colour of light skinned Jews is colourist and Antisemitic.

What do you mean Jews are indigenous people?

Jewish civilisation has conservatively at least 3000 years of archeological history in the city of Jerusalem alone, a people can't colonise their own indigenous homeland. That DOESN'T mean the people who came after us have to leave at all... Palestinian culture has been developing in the region for at least 1400 years. The promise of a Jewish state was the promise of self determination of Jews as Indigenous people displaced from our home by the colonising Roman Empire in the First century, arriving in Europe as slaves to build great works like the Coliseum and monuments to our own dispossession like the Arch of Titus.

After 2000 years confined to the ghetto, 2000 years of always waiting for the shoe to drop, we needed to come home.

The colonisation of the Jewish people and our homeland also isn't a one note affair. The Sassanians, and the Crusaders, the British Empire, The Ottoman Empire, The Mamluks, and pivotal to the current discussion The Arabs... Arab Colonisation of MENA/SWANA is uncontroversially the historical record... They are the majority population across MENA because of their centuries of privileged social and economic placement in society even among Muslims. Pan-Arabism is Arab Supremacism.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Early Muslim conquests - Wikipedia

Morrocco speaks Arabic because of Arab Colonisation, Ctesiphon was renamed Baghdad by Arab Colonisers, the subjugation of pre-colonial religion and culture such as Jews, Zoroastrians, Shabaks, Assyrians, the continuing collusion between ME states to deny the Kurdish people a state.

Recognising Arabs as colonisers doesn't mean demanding they be expelled, nor does it make anti-arab violence acceptable... But it is necessary if you intend to understand the historic social power dynamics of MENA social issues.

If Jews are indigenous and Arabs are colonisers... What does that make Palestinians?

People, it makes them human people who are seeking a state of their own and should have one post haste. Most people agree on this, I hope we agree on this..

Didn't Israel kill lots of people to be established?

People often have a habit of using their intuition rather than research to learn about current and historical circumstances. This leads to the exaggeration or minimisation of events by those who don't understand.

This isn't to say that violence wasn't present in the founding of the State of Israel, because it was, but in all of the wars Israel has ever been involved in, the combined death toll has never even come close to one million let alone the millions, even the Nakba which was a human tragedy worthy of recognition forever had a Death toll of 15,000...

It is worth remembering that the Nakba took place against the backdrop of invasion by the Arab league (including Palestinian Arabs) of the newly declared State of Israel within these borders as defined by the United Nations...

On the day of the expiry of the British mandate for Palestine the forces of the Arab League (Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the Palestinian Holy War Army) invaded, and the Israelis/IDF counter attacked... And somehow even without any allies were not only successful in defence but the victor. This was the second refusal to accept an Arab majority state, this time that rejection came as war.

But Palestinians still deserve a state!

Palestinians absolutely deserve a state, historical rejection of the peace option at one time or another by any party in a conflict is no reason not to establish peace now. This is something we can hopefully agree on, the endless cycle of violence and retribution is neither desirable nor sustainable... and to that end in 1994 the Palestinian National Authority was Established as a Part of the Oslo Accords, which is a multi stage state building project agreed between the Palestinian Liberation Organisation and the State of Israel, which immediately formalised the recognition internationally as an institution in principle of the Palestinian State as declared by The Palestinian Liberation Organisation in 1988.

The eventual state borders of the Palestinian State would be the Territories of the West Bank and Gaza which came under Israeli Administration during the 1967 6 Day War, and which the kingdom of Jordan and Egypt refused to accept return of due to the expense of security in the region.

Regions of Palestinian National Authority Civil and Military Administration were established in the West Bank during stage 1. (Areas the Palestinian National Authority were supposed to be expanded each decade assuming the continuing stability of the PA) During stage 2 in 2005 those areas were expanded and the Palestinian National Authority assumed Civil Administration over most of the remaining West Bank except for Israeli majority settlements. Also as Part of Stage 2 Israel forcibly repatriated all Israelis living in Gaza and passed Civil and Military Administration to the Palestinian National Authority.

en.m.wikipedia.org

West Bank areas in the Oslo II Accord - Wikipedia

Unfortunately 2 years later Hamas seceded Gaza in its entirety in a coup and suspended democracy to establish an Islamist Autocracy in opposition to the Fatah dominated Palestinian National Authority and all attempts at reintegration have failed stalling the Palestinian Nation Building project.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Battle of Gaza (2007) - Wikipedia

Throwing a wrench in the "is able to preserve stability and territorial integrity" thing.

Ok, that's interesting, but wasn't the country already Palestine before?

At no point in history until the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority has there been self government of Palestinians by Palestinians. Even the name "Filistin" was a colloquial one in the Ottoman period. Under Ottoman rule the area of Israel and Palestine was made up of many feudal estates with a non-palestinian aristocracy.

Once again, this doesn't mean that Palestinians shouldn't have a self governing state now, today. But Jews should also have self government because.... we are indigenous to the Region, and second we have seen ourselves be betrayed by our neighbours too many times to not hold our defence in our own hands. In Europe, Africa, and Asia we have seen the repeated attempts to destroy us completely.

If you deduct the population of Israel the combined Jewish population of all three continents is less than 2 million, because you killed us.

The territory people are referring to as historically Palestine right now is the British Mandate for Palestine, which included the area East of the Jordan River where the Kingdom of Jordan was established by British Partition.

What is being done to advance Palestinian National Liberation?

The Palestinian Liberation Organisation have made multiple attempts at political normalisation with Hamas, as have the Israeli government... In the hope of reuniting the Palestinian National Authority administered territories in the West Bank and Gaza. Unfortunately with both authorities, Hamas and their affiliates like Palestinian Islamic Jihad use talks as an opportunity to re-arm, regroup, and relocate personnel and equipment. The Palestinian Liberation Organisation were in the closing stages of political normalisation talks, and Israel were in the midst of a (permanent) ceasefire and disarmament discussions at the time of the Simchat Torah Pogrom (Oct 7)

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We are in the present day from here on.... Things get complicated and messy-er from here, say goodbye to neat sections.

The attack on October 7 was a betrayal of West Bank Palestinians as well, and attacks by Hamas affiliates like Palestinian Islamic Jihad in areas of the West Bank where Israel is treaty obligated to act as security guarantor has been spun by people in the west who don't understand the treaty arrangements as an invasion of Palestinian Territories.

timesofisrael.com

Palestinian, Arab officials urge Hamas to disarm before it is destroyed – report

Terror group said warned by various figures of influence that it will not survive the Israeli offensive, and should prevent further destruct

Continued in reblog

I'm a Transgender Peace Activist Who Converted to Judaism. I Wasn't Expecting My Fellow Progressives to Turn on Me.

Here’s what they don’t tell you when converting to Judaism: Everyone has an opinion on Israel. And once you convert, everyone has an opinion regarding your opinions on Israel. To say I chose a rather interesting time to convert to Judaism is an understatement. Considering the current politica...

”Being queer, transgender, and Hispanic, I’ve had my share of slurs thrown at me.

My social group and volunteer work are where I find a safe place from the nonsense outside. If things got bad after my conversion, I had this community to turn to. Imagine my surprise, then, to find accusations and anger not from the usual suspects, but from my own progressive communities. To give a few choice examples:

1) My Catholic parents bought me a Star of David necklace to celebrate my conversion. I showed this to someone I had attended numerous LGBT events with. Their response was to call it “pro-apartheid jewelry” and said I was wearing “that star on the Jewish flag.”

2) For about a year, I catalogued footage of humanitarian disasters during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for use by a humanitarian organization. I’m proud of that work. I mentioned my conversion to a few friends who knew me at the time. All immediately asked if I had changed my views on Israeli politics.

3) Whenever I mention my conversion to anyone in my larger social circle, the response is never congratulations. Four out of five times, I’m immediately grilled on my views regarding Israeli policy.

When I chose to convert, my rabbi made it very clear that conversion was just a ritual. “You’re already Jewish,” he told me. “This is confirmation of what already exists.” In some ways, that’s true. I was the same person when I entered the bet din as I was when I exited the mikveh. What has changed, though, is how others see me regardless of who or what I am.“

With the dark grey background and silver line art, it's hard to see certain details. Maybe a pastel or a transparent background might help

(What we have in mind for now are black dragons, with low density silver glitter, silver enamel, so that the pride flag pops)

All right @kenutters

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ALL OF THE HOMO!!!

added screenshots of the article so people can read it without the popup for a free trial haha

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The Wandering Jew, still on the move.

You wanna know the kicker? I ran the numbers. There's an estimated 2 million people in Gaza. Hamas rounds up to estimate 30 thousand. (Igno

Tablet Magazine

How the Gaza Ministry of Health Fakes Casualty Numbers

The evidence is in their own poorly fabricated figures

The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com

Hamas, Al Jazeera admit: Story of IDF rapes in Gaza hospital fabricated

Although the Qatari mouthpiece has yet to officially refer to the retraction, all content related to the allegation has been deleted.

As for the sex offender thing, from what I’ve looked into, it seems that it’s mostly a fault in their government. Which I have expressed many times that I do not support. But still. Israel has the highest number of sex offenders? Compared to who? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

Because it doesn’t even crack the top 10

The Business Standard

Countries with the highest rape incidents

It is estimated that approximately 35% of women worldwide have experienced sexual harassment in their life

I then looked into Palestine’s numbers, but Hamas doesn’t register or keep track of that type of stuff, so there are no official numbers

Genocide

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

1. Killing members of the group

2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life is calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

There are a number of other serious, violent crimes that do not fall under the specific definition of genocide. They include crimes against humanity, war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and mass killing.

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

yo ima write a professional level article, im trying to gather resources and you may have a few. Please try to get me some for these topics

what really happened in nakba

the origin of the word Palestine (how Arabians didn’t make the word)

a timeline on the Israeli/palestine land mass

Palestinians stories (I do need a rebuttal of sorts as well, so try to get a variety of cases)

numbers on death counts

what the UN considers genocide

Hitlers reasoning for the holocaust (anything like “it’s not about religion” and shit like that)

and just anything else that you think will help me write an article about the complexity :3

nakba - not the expert here but from my understanding is it was a messy war that left generations resentful of each other. Nakba deniers will be blocked and their responses mocked

Palestine comes from the word phillitine and was imposed by the Romans on Judeans to imply they weren't indigenous to the area (sound familiar). It was anglicized to Palestine and the British insisted on calling Israel that from the crusades and until WW2 (hence why Palestine is mentioned in Othello).

The nice little map where the evil israelis Jews are taking over more and more of the original Palestine that the British gave to the arabs and the arabs only is as false as the narrative in the previous sentence. I have yet to see a good map on the subject.

Somebody get me the Palestinean that the columbia university protesters blocked because he didn't fit their narrative, the homochadensis post where gazans curse Bisan Owida and reveal she's a grifter who stole money from them and her readers, and the famous video of the mothers and grandmothers who prove that Hamas is stealing their aid.

NO ONE knows the true death count because one side needs to downplay it for PR and the other needs them to be the worst war in history for sympathy and outrage points but Gaza ministry of health fabricates all their numbers and lists a child three times to "bring attention to the loss" aka inflate their death count

Bro that's a googable document on the Un's on website.

OK THIS is my area of expertise. Hitler fell in with a eugenicist crowd of antisemites that believes lesser races needed to be killed our enslaved by those they deemed aryan. Those who were aryan (western europeans) were meant to rule the world, slavs, asians and arabs were to have their populations murdered by about 50 but the rest would live on as second class citizens and then Jews and Roma were to genocided completely because they were seen as "parasitic races" that brought only harm and would not be allowed to survive. The latter two groups were uniquely targeted, have not recovered either physiological or in terms of population. It was NEVER about religion and all about race and racist pseudoscience

Also static you don't need to prove your right to existance and self determination to those who want you dead so much they tried driving you to suicide

Followers?

So @omeryotam4 requested I make a master list of articles involving Jewish indigenous identity and Arab colonialism

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History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia

Los Angeles Times

Letters to the Editor: Jews are indigenous to Israel. They're defending their homeland, not 'colonizing' it

Characterizing the war in Gaza as a 'colonial' battle belittles Jews' ancestral ties to Israel and their history of being forced from their

Tablet Magazine

Are Jews Indigenous to the Land of Israel? Yes.

Discover the archaeology, genealogy, and history that supports Jewish claim as the indigenous peoples of Israel.

JIMENA

Jewish Indigeneity to Israel by Sarah Levin - JIMENA

By Sarah Levin October 15, 2021 Late last night as I was falling asleep, I was reading a narrative cartoon from Jewish Currents called “When

Newsweek

Are Jews Indigenous People? Here's What a Native American Jew Thinks

As indigenous people who reclaimed our ancestral homeland, we must be sensitive to others undergoing that same process.

MinnPost

Don't erase our history: The Jewish people are indigenous to the land of Israel - MinnPost

The truth is that the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is the agonizing struggle between not one, but two indigenous peoples fight

en.m.wikipedia.org

Arabization - Wikipedia

Arabization - Wikipedia

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Early Muslim conquests - Wikipedia

Early Muslim conquests - Wikipedia