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Well, In my opinion Adrien didn't let go of his offer because Ladybug is turning down his help with an objective WRONG reasoning to end their conversation:

Chat Noir: I can give you a paw to save time

Ladybug:Thanks kitty, but this is the guardians job.

Since when? Since when has it only ever been the guardians job to retrieve the miraculous? Ladybug has been giving out and taking back all kinds of Miraculous in s2-s3 and back then she wasn't a guardian. I'm sorry to tell you but the strict rule she gave him right away as her first reasoning for why he can't help is objectively WRONG.

And it is THIS objective wrongness of the rule she is using against him here that Adrien reacts to. And once again, sorry, but he does so VERY well:

Chat Noir:but I know who some of them are remember? I was with you when you gave out their Miraculous.

Adrien has every right to point it out to Ladybug that the reasoning she just gave him here really holds no actual solid ground. Especially when he is doing it so nicely. He DOES know some of the identities and Ladybug had him give out a Miraculous before (to Chloé of course, the person Ladybug doesn't like what a coincidence). This sudden rule of "Only the guardian can retrieve the miraculous" is coming out of nowhere and it simply straight up comes across as if Ladybug just made up that rule right on spot to blow him off. You can now write 7 essays about what Marinettes thoughts were here and why you think she is right, but it doesn't change the fact that when Chat Noir offered his help the first thing Marinette did instinctively is trying to shut him down with a sudden new rule that hasn't been in place back when SHE benefited of it.

I don't believe that was her intention but that's what's coming across through her words. She isn't saying "No Chat, I would rather get them myself so the miraculous are quicker in safety through my yo-yo" she is just stating some new rule that cuts him out further.

Ladybug: You dont know where to meet them and I don't have the time-

THIS is a reason I can get behind. This has a solid logic in it where I understand that even though Ladybug absolutely COULD have had quickly given Chat Noir the locations through their messages, the time was short enough because of her beeping Miraculous that I understand why she didn't think that was really an option. If she had given THIS as a reasoning right from the get go for why Chat Noir can't help retrieving the Miraculous then this little argument would have looked differently from my perspective. But she didn't. She pulled the guardian card.

Because when she said this AFTER suddenly pulling the guardian card with an unreasonable rule, Adrien is not remaining on the side of reason either:

Chat Noir: playing cat and mouse is my forte, you know

Only Chat Noir giving her a legit and sound counter to her suddenly claiming "it's the guardians job" by pointing out that HE knows identities too, so that shouldn't be the problem, made her give him a proper reason.

Ladybug:You dont know where to meet them and I don't have the time-

But, from Adriens point of view, here again she is grasping for the next excuse to blow him off instead of telling him anything he can actually work with. She isn't meeting his offer with an explanation of "Huh, maybe you can help me. I will get the Miraculous and think about it then I come back to you and we can talk alright?" or anything like this. She's just saying "no" and from the different degrees of actual LEGITIMACY for reasonings added to that "No" its seems for Adrien as if Ladybug isn't basing that "No" on any kind secret identitiy logic, she just doesn't want him there right now.

I wanted to write more to this but I can't right now. Well I hope with the actual context of how the episode starts and gets to this point Marinettes reaction here, and Adriens reasoning for not coming to the battles, will put this in a new light.

This is lovely! And for the most part, I agree.

But I think the reason we aren't shown Sasuke's eyes and the entirety of Sakura's face during the 2nd "thank you" scene is because it was an intimate and special scene, so we aren't shown how Sasuke looks at Sakura when he said "thank you" and we're instead shown the emphasis of him thanking Sakura.

And likewise we aren't granted to see the entirety of Sakura's face when we see the reaction of Sasuke's forehead poke and "thank you" had on her, the half of her face shown was enough to convey her reaction.

Chapter 181: The Star Crossed Lovers - Sasuke’s “Thank You”

Out of all the chapters in Part 1 of the series, Chapter 181 is by far the most emotional chapter in regards to Sasuke and Sakura’s love story. It was at this point in the series that we get our first glimpse into Sasuke’s feelings towards Sakura in it’s purest form. For she’s the only one in the village who gets to see Sasuke’s gentle side before he hardens himself to everyone. 

Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke had grown exponentially from infatuation to true love. She didn’t want him to suffer because of the curse mark and she didn’t want him to be consumed by hatred or revenge. While Sasuke had allowed her to present her argument to him without running away, knocking her out, or killing her immediately. Instead he tried to reason with her and listened to her feelings once again before hinting to her that he remembered her first confession just like she did. 

When Sakura threatened to scream in order to warn the village, Sasuke came up close behind her and softly said: “Sakura…Thank you.”

Here are some of the Data book descriptions about this scene. 

“Growing distant, towards darkness.. the one to appear before him as he began to leave was Sakura. To the back of a Sasuke that tried to face away from what was left behind, Sakura desperately conveys her feelings. Bright and earnest feelings - feelings that did not want to lose Sasuke. The one who filled his lonely existence with the emotion called love was Sakura. But as expected, Sasuke cannot respond to those feelings. Sasuke was only able to leave a single word of thanks as a parting.”

“Sakura, who needed him to the last. His words are not a deceit but his true feelings.”

“Sasuke is trying to leave the village, and Sakura implores him to give up that idea. In response to her wish, Sasuke answers her with a simple ‘You’re annoying.’ They are the same words that he uttered back when Team Kakashi was formed… but so many missions have passed since then, and now the meaning that he puts into those same words differ greatly. Even though he understands the love that she feels for him, in order to sever all his connections Sasuke turns his back to the village.”

I’d also like to point out Sasuke’s first expression as he walks past Sakura: 

His eyes are closed. his eyebrows are furrowed, and his expression isn’t indifference: it’s pained. 

I counted how many pages their conversation lasts and it goes on for 14 pages. Translate that into time during this moment and Sasuke listened to Sakura for around 5 to 7 minutes tops. Would he give Naruto this much attention? Or Kakashi? Or literally anyone in the village? No. He would later go on to fight Naruto almost to the death and he already threatened to kill Kakashi back at the hospital. But Sakura? He cursed because he thought it was too late to stop his attack when she interrupted his fight on the rooftop with Naruto, he didn’t shove her away when she hugged him in the hospital, he didn’t threaten to kill her or physically harm her at any point leading up to his departure. 

As Kishimoto states “Sakura was the last person Sasuke ever wanted to hurt.” 

We can see this is still the case in Shippuden when they meet again for the first time in years when Sasuke uses his Chidori Stream to attack Sai, Naruto, and Yamato but doesn’t use it against Sakura. 

Sasuke’s eyes were hidden when he said “Thank you” and hidden when he walked past her. Love comes in at the eyes and if Sasuke had looked her in the eyes as he past would he have been able to leave? 

Chapter 181 was a scene straight out of Shakespeare’s plays. It was almost like Hamlet’s “I LOVED OPHELIA!!” scene or the infamous balcony scene in Romeo and Juliet. 

If they were not considered a couple or their feelings weren’t considered romantic for each other, would this scene carry the lasting impact that it does today for Naruto fans across the board? 

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I need your help!

Does anyone remember having heard before or remember the episode in which Chat Noir had said something along the lines of

"yeah, I wouldn't want to do that anyway"

or

"yeah, I prefer not to do that"

or

"Yeah, I'll leave that up to you"

in regards to Ladybug being the leader/planner of the team? I am sure of heard something like that before but I can't remember where.

Please help, it would be appreciated. Thank you!

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Was there ever an analysis or theory you have read for a fandom you are in and it is really good but some parts of it are inaccurate/incorrect/incomplete etc. but you press "like" on the whole thing anyway instead of spending time reblogging talking about how you mostly agree with them but then list the small ways you add/correct/disagree with them about their post . . .

*inhale* *exhale*

So now its saved in your "likes" and you just see it as a post you mostly agree with but not fully and you just want to take/remove certain parts of that analysis or theory (or mostly just inject some of your thoughts into a reblog, just adding your take, or at least part of it, on the analysis) but you just don't?

If I had done this I would have had a lot more posts on my page.

Maybe I should just so I could voice some of my thoughts on the matter instead of just letting it bounce around in my head.

Don't want to stay complacent anymore in my regrets and make my thoughts known and speak for myself!

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