Response Summarized

Response Summarized

Please DO NOT harass anyone there's been more than enough of that to go around during this whole thing, I'm so mentally drained.

I will likely not look at things on the situation anymore; it's been aggravating my anxiety to high levels for days and bringing my mind back to thinking about my past years-long experience irl with what might've been emotional abuse? 

My takeaway from this: guilty? innocent? I'd say innocent in some regards and guilty in others. A gray area? perhaps not as simple as some believed. I'm sorry for all involved and that somewhat includes Alex Kister themself as no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed as they were. The seriousness of the situation is that these rash responses could've driven them to committing or resulted in them being killed instead of receiving this response, think about that.

This has been extremely immaturely and awfully handled by the internet and community, think on your actions because some responses made were very much illegal.

Also remember that it is not within your right to be like, "Alex, we all forgive you🥺" You were not the one who got hurt. People still had their mental health declined by Alex's reckless actions, which I am truly sorry for. 

I'll likely still post TMC content sometimes, as I'm emotionally attached to the characters. The fandom itself got me through some difficult times, and I would have stayed regardless only due to that, as I never had any of a parasocial emotional attachment to Alex, only knowing them to be the creator of this series and nothing more. I do not support the actions committed.

I think that both Ven and Alex need to take a step away from the internet, as well as their past relationship issues, and go offline. I believe TMC (the official series at least) should NOT be continued out of respect for the people Alex hurt with reckless behavior; however, I will still be staying in the TMC community; do not harass me for that decision. 

Anyone may feel free to share tldr I got off discord to other sites or with mutuals, friends etc. If you have the time please actually read the document itself.

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

I’m SO tired of people acting as if EPIC isn’t its own fandom deserving of its own things separate from the odyssey. The odyssey is an ancient myth told originally orally for generations in Ancient Greece. That may have served as a sort of lesson or perhaps warning against hubris. Or maybe it served a completely different purposed. (from my understanding- correct me if I’m wrong) The point is it’s not one clear story- it’s not like our modern day “traditional” story with a clear cut: “This is what happens canonically, this is how the characters act, this is why so and so happened.”

EPIC however, is that. It’s a retelling not simply an interpretation or an adaption. It’s based off of Homer’s Odyssey, not that it is it just in musical form.

The Odyssey is a myth from an ancient religion and culture. EPIC: The Musical, is a work of fiction only based off of the Odyssey, that is made in the modern era

when I say “Look at my EPIC AU!” I mean EPIC not The Odyssey

Something I like about epic the musical is that it Gives it's changes to the original text an actual Purpose

( The first couple paragraphs are basically a rant regarding retellings. If you only want to hear about epic Skip to paragraph 4)

1. I am a bit annoyed by the lack of. Understanding as to why RETELLINGS aren't the most historicaly accurate things in the world. Sorry to break this to you, but that's both just how they work and I would guess how they reach success. Ancient Greece is a much different culture than our own, And most of us would be terrified to actually live back then. When you are Trying to create content That is based on ancient Greece And you want it to be successful/ At least reach a wide, and notably, MODERN audience. You're likely going to have to take some creative liberty And change a few things. Don't get me wrong, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE RETELLINGS KNOWING THAT FACT ( Me personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Miller's novels Even though I do like epic) BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. And because of that I don't think I would ever expect a retelling to be perfectly accurate And I don't. I had interest in mythology LONG before epic the musical But I didn't actually read the Odyssey until getting into epic. I did not expect it To be just like the musical, I knew Odysseus was going to be much more of an asshole, along with other characters. The odyssey and epic are different pieces of media to me And I am not less of a mythology nerd for liking epic ( Though I will admit that sometimes I take tiny little fun facts of mythology And like to think of them in the context of epic, but that's just for fun.)

2. The Only time being a fan of retellings is wrong as if you genuinely believe they are perfectly accurate And refuse to listen to anything else ( Which has definitely happened, And mythology nerds have the right to be annoyed at that)

3. Some people only like to consume real mythology media, Others like both real mythology and retellings, Others only like to engage with retellings (I would hope they have the self-awareness to know It's not real mythology, From what I've seen some do and some don't, Unfortunately)

4. Ok. now on to what the title of this long ass rant says

I like that epic the musical Retells the story, Not only to both cater to modern audience But Also with its OWN purpose of man versus monster.

Obviously, this is not the point of the original text. Mythos Odysseus does not give a single fuck About the stuff that epic odysseus does. I don't know why the creator Decided to rewrite it this way, (If he's ever said why let me know) But I would assume he wanted to make something about the oddessy And this was simply a very creative way to Translate that for modern audience.

I like this because, yes, holy damn. It does have changes from the original text. But it's not JUST changing it. It's changing it with a purpose

It feels reminiscent of some kind of Dramatic play. the way that epic characterizes.

Polites' kind nature is Representative of the Concept of being merciful Represented in his lines such as " This life is amazing when you greet it with open arms" /"There is so much guilt inside your heart, So why not replace it?"

While in contrast you have eurylochus with more ruthlessness and cautious nature, this is Found in some of his lines such as "You rely on wit, and people die on it" /"we don't know what's ahead" / "I say we strike first. We don't have time to waste so lets raid the place-" /"Let's just cut our losses, You and I and let's run"

And then you have Odysseus, the man/monster. The first act of this Musical is his internal struggle With what He should be On that scale. And the other characters Represent this struggle in the song monster

" Is the cyclops struck with gilt when he kills, is he up in the middle of the night? Or does he end my men to avenge his friend and then Sleep knowing he has done him right?

When the witch turns men to pigs to protect her nymphs, is she going insane? Or did she learn to be colder when she got older and now she saves them the pain?

When a God comes down and makes a Fleet drown Is he scared that he's doing something wrong? Or does he keep us in check So we must respect him and now no one dares to piss him off"

He then Applies this to himself

" Does a soldier use a wooden horse to kill sleeping trojans cause he is vile? Or does he throw away his remorse and save more lives with guile?"

And this marks his turning point of deciding that Ruthlessness It's ultimately worth it if it means Getting home, as aeolus says "The end Always justifies the means"

It's in my opinion, a very creative way to go about retelling a myth. Is it accurate? Absolutely not. For example, circe (From what we know) is not protecting When she turns men into pigs, For all we know, she could just do it because Shits and giggles.

Her character and most others in epic is changed from the original. But it's not ONLY changing for the sake of apeling to the modern Western audience and being successful like Many other retellings. It is also and mainly changing for the sake of influencing the plot that Jorge Rivera herrans crafted For the sake of Retelling epic. It is creative and I enjoy it despite knowing it's not accurate.

I hate that planned obsolescence is starting to reach fandoms. I hate that fandoms are starting to die after two, three years, I hate that whenever you stop getting content that means the fandom will die and be gone.

I need people to stop trying to brush off old interests as being 'cringe' as soon as you lose interest, or worse: make it seem like it's imoral to like something that they themselves held so dear before.

Fandoms are meant to last for years and years, the moment content stops being created is the moment we truly thrive because we keep creating the content ourselves the way we love it and expand on the things that are already there for us.

I don't care if you lost interest on something, it's fine and normal even, but stop trying to blame and make fun of people who still do love the fandom and the content and the things we can create.

I need people to enjoy fandom again

Friendly reminder that greek mythology retellings are retellings, not summaries. Please don't try to know the original source through them.

I wouldn't like Epic to end up getting as much hate as TSOA, just because people can't tell the difference between rendition and canon.

Let retellings frolick in their happy place 🌈🍭

SOMEONE USING A SCREENSHOT FROM MY BROTHERS POST??? I LOVE THAT

Joseph, you okay there, buddy?

"What's wrong with my car..."

{ Picture nicked from this video! }

KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE OML-

SPECIFICALLY THE LAST BIT WHERE ODY IS SINGING ABOUT TELE AND PEN??

I CANT BEGIN TO EXPLAIN HOW OR WHY IT BROUGHT ME TO TEARS TO HEAR TELEMACHUS AND PENELOPE’S VOICES

GAHHHHH I NEED THE WISDOM SAGA TO CONE OUT NOWWW /silly /lh

I NEED TO HEAR MORE OF TELE AND PENNN

Reblog with the EPIC song that made you cry