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Ok, also with the Theseus slander.

How? Is it possible? To boil down a Greek hero so much that it’s actually possible to just flat out detest them.

I find it impossible to take the characters personally. Like people seem personally offended characters and I don’t get it. The characters are all so complicated that it’s impossible to just broad stroke psychoanalyse, and THEN proceed to act like the character has personally wronged you due to this diagnosis you have them based on your version preference when reading. Damn.

Yeah fun fact the villain in the story is Minos. The victims are the Athenian youths, the Minotaur. Theseus is the Hero, Ariadne is the Heroine. But Ariadne represents the suffering of the Athenians when she gets on the ship with them, even though she saved them, and Theseus’s dealing with that represents his tendency to make some very bad decisions, something that will haunt his character for the rest of his stories.

Maybe it’s the fact that I base my enjoyment of a character on how interesting they are. But Greek mythology is set up with these extremely complex characterisations alongside this tendency toward a deeply flawed hero. Not necessarily glorifying the fallenness, but using it to explore what happens to exceptional men when they are deeply flawed. That’s Theseus. He’s not a psychopath, not a narcissist. The texts paint him as a youth who began his ventures to find his place, who stepped up to save his kin, but whose chief and detrimental weakness was not thinking, and making bad decisions with big consequences based on just not fucking thinking anything through. He is a gut reaction person, he makes big moves based on where he finds himself in the moment. His character is glorifying the strength of the hero and, as so many men in mythology ARE WRITTEN, a cautionary tale against the flaws that lay a hero low.

Achilles is also one of these. Agamemnon is one of these. Hector, a great guy, but he has some flaws that get him in trouble. Jason too. Odysseus! And Theseus, a monumental figure, is one of these characters that implore men to be strong but to be wise, to think before they act.

Greek mythology retellings are so fucking cool because mythology is, as a whole, very fluid. There isn't really anything that's a cohesive story, from beginning to end. There are so many versions of myths, which all reflect the values of society at that time.

Of course, sometimes those values are misogyny, so you get shit like women characters who are either good and submissive or sexy and evil, or SA being common and/or expected, but that's why these myths are retold.

The values of society changes so often, and the stories we tell change with it. People like homer wrote down the stories of their time, generations after the stories actually originated.

Retellings are a great way to participate in this millenia long tradition of telling stories, because we shape the stories to be a reflection of our time as well.

That's why I've written this essay on there are other ways from epic: the circe saga because–

I know that this website (alongside most of the internet, tbh) has a serious hard-on for Hades and therefore all his qualities, both real and imaginary, are overestimated to an insane degree. I know and I am used to it. However, I’m so incredibly tired of the idea that Hades is a better king than Zeus, or that Hades supposedly deserves (unlike Zeus, naturally) to be the king of the gods.

The arguments people use to support this opinion are a combination of weird and outright stupid and usually are all about how Hades is so chill and has a dog named Spot, doesn’t sleep around and is faithful to his wife, all of which are fucking bizarre things to judge someone’s leadership abilities on, I think, especially because do you seriously believe that Hades doesn’t get laid much ‘cause he is virtuous and considerate and not because… I dunno, no one in ancient Greece wanted to claim to be related to the god of the dead?

Another argument, and one that would be logical if it were true, is that (supposedly) Hades governs his domain better than Zeus governs his. But again this is a strange thing to claim, what with that story from Plato’s Gorgias in which Hades, unable to establish order and justice in the underworld, complained to Zeus who not only was perfectly capable to identify the flaws in the system, but also was able to fix the issue immediately. Or that time when Hades took offense to Asklepios resurrecting the dead and, once more, went to Zeus to solve the situation. Clearly, Hades seems to think that Zeus is pretty damn competent, and the concept of poor little Hades having to fix the messes created by stupid and irresponsible Zeus is complete bullshit.

And then there is the mythologically inaccurate idea according to which the role of king of the gods belongs to Hades by right, in virtue of him being the eldest son of Kronos… even though Kronos was not the eldest son of Ouranos, y'know. Or that Zeus cheated during the division of the kosmos and thus he received the highest position unfairly, which again is entirely made up.

Or that Hades did more than Zeus during the Titan war - false, or that he himself keeps Kronos and the Titans imprisoned and therefore his contribution is the most important - false; this is what Hesiod says on the subject: “There by the counsel of Zeus who drives the clouds the Titan gods are hidden under misty gloom, in a dank place where are the ends of the huge earth. And they may not go out; for Poseidon fixed gates of bronze upon it, and a wall runs all round it on every side. There Gyes and Kottos and great-souled Obriareos live, trusty warders of Zeus who holds the aigis”

Not sure where I’m going with this and what point I’m trying to make other than can we please stop with this nonsense? Thanks.

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