Greek Mythology Retellings Are So Fucking Cool Because Mythology Is, As A Whole, Very Fluid. There Isn't

Greek mythology retellings are so fucking cool because mythology is, as a whole, very fluid. There isn't really anything that's a cohesive story, from beginning to end. There are so many versions of myths, which all reflect the values of society at that time.

Of course, sometimes those values are misogyny, so you get shit like women characters who are either good and submissive or sexy and evil, or SA being common and/or expected, but that's why these myths are retold.

The values of society changes so often, and the stories we tell change with it. People like homer wrote down the stories of their time, generations after the stories actually originated.

Retellings are a great way to participate in this millenia long tradition of telling stories, because we shape the stories to be a reflection of our time as well.

That's why I've written this essay on there are other ways from epic: the circe saga because–

Thinking about this poll and what the gods would offer to you if you choose them.

I think ares would give your strength and/or the blessing to never be beaten I battle.

Apollo would probably give the gift of prophecy or some kind of healing ability/knowledge.

Dionysus would give you some fuck up wine or something.

Who I think would get the apple, probably Apollo. He was definitely the most popular god in ancient Greece.

Would the other gods hold a grudge, probably.

Ares would just kill you himself (if he really cares about this, I don't know if he would, he'd probably want to win for the sake of winning). Dionysus on the other hand would make you insane, but I think Apollo could probably talk them down from doing anything to life threatening. If he himself can do it he'd probably get Hermes's.

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Op, you have no idea what you've done to me. My neurons have activated. I've been pacing around my room naked for a solid hour. I had to take a nap and think about this. Ares is such an interesting god to me and you just give me this tid bit of knowledge like it's nothing??????

In the time I've had to think I've come to the conclusion that ares just wants you to fight.

Like, violence is his nature, right? I don't feel like he's going to scorn his warriors for their own violence any more than he will for yours. Everyone is able to partake in his violence and strength, if courage to fight is what you need then he opens his body for you to feast on him. Let his adrenaline course through your body as you stab out the eye of the man or women who dares to assault you. Either way violence is being enacted, so he should be satisfied.

I think he would prefer when a victim fights back because it elevated a simple attack into a battle.

Involving the times he himself would (maybe) assault some one, he might find it hot when his victims fight back. It could be foreplay to him. 🤷

Hey, I saw your Ares post!! I think what's noteworthy is that Zeus, Apollo, and Heracles all raped people. (Also, technically Zeus is supposed to uphold justics and whatnot.) I don't know Greek mythology as well as you, though, that's just what I think! <3

That's true. I didn't make this point in that post (though I did mention it previously), but the fact that the others do commit that kind of thing only makes it clear that someone not wanting one of their female relatives to be raped doesn't have to mean that they are opposed to rape in principle.

As for Ares, people often point out that he is the only Greek god with no rape myths, but, to be fair, with two or three exceptions his sexual adventures are about as detailed as the genealogies in the book of Genesis. So it might be technically accurate, but only because we know nothing about the vast majority of unions he engages in beyond the name of the mother and the identity of the resulting offspring. There are also instances where he behaves like other gods, fighting with others over a specific woman (Tanagra) or making use of disguise in order to impregnate someone (Phylonome), so Imma say that his reputation as someone who is particularly concerned with consent does seem to come pretty much out of nowhere.

There is this very interesting post discussing the connections between war, the sacking of cities and sexual violence. To quote a part of it: „this epithet ['Sacker of Cities'] cannot be interpreted as distinct from sexual violence. Sacking, as Gaca explains, is systematically killing all warriors and violating all women and girls to ensure they are subdued, owned, and forcibly bear your own children, which doubles the ownership. This is not frowned upon or the work of foot soldiers; rather, these are their orders from their commanders. Ares is continually used as a metaphor, a personification of this practice, and so is anything but unproblematic in both our modern eyes and the Greeks' own religion; he is a revered god as much as one to keep far, far away”

Yeah that's kinda the point of the phrase

"One must imagine Sisyphus happy" because it's absurd.

If I remember correctly, The whole point of Albert camus's philosophy (absurdism) is this idea that you laugh along with the absurdity of life and death. That you keep going even when things get rough cause to give up is to admit spiritual defeat. Albert camus loves this idea that you spite God.

And there is no other figure in life that shows the exact point then Sisyphus.

He tricked death(Thanatos), he tricked the queen of the underworld(Persephone), and for one more fuck u to the gods he smiles though his torture. A punishment given to him by the keeper of death(hades), the only figure of death he's left to personally fuck off.

“One must imagine Sisyphus happy”

Must we?

The entire point of the Sisyphus myth is that he was a tyrant king that killed many of his guests and attempted to kill his own brother. When it was his time to die he kidnapped Thanatos the god of death then once he was brought to Tartarus he tricked Persephone into letting him back to the world of the living. The point of the boulder was a punishment for his multiple offenses. Imagining him happy is almost against the whole point of him pushing the boulder in the first place. Also There is no point to it. There is no reward if he ever got to the top, and there’s no chance of him succeeding anyways. The boulder was cursed to fall down once he got near the top It is physically impossible. What would the point of it be if he was happy.

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I want to briefly adress another BIG misconception about Greek gods that has (quite recently) been going on around the Internet. And it is again part due to the Percy Jackson TV show. I insist on the "TV show", because as we now know, the TV show made some changes to the book's original plotline when it came to the gods interacting with their children (like Athena's move with Echidna *cough cough*), and as a result here is what I have been hearing here and there.

"Yeah, well the Greek gods were all assholes, right, but what PJ REALLY got right was that they were especially assholes to their own children and the worst abusive parents ever".

... No?

In fact this is almost a counter-interpretation of Greek mythology, because in Greek myths and legends, the whole point was that, when a god was being an "asshole" as you say, they were an asshole to everybody... except their children. One of the reasons the Greek gods can look "bad" by modern standards is precisely because they had an habit of favorizing their own children, and taking care about them more than about other beings.

The most famous of these myths is of course Demeter's immense love and hyper-protection of Persephone - just look at the trials she went through to find her back after she disappeared.

Another famous example is how Poseidon turned on Odysseus and plagued him with curses and monsters for blinding his son - Polyphemus the cyclop (and the whole point here is that Poseidon favorized his son, despite his son being the actual criminal and monster in the case)

Ares, who was not one of the best gods, still went on an avenging mode every time his children were attacked, from the dragon slain by Cadmos to the rape of Alcippe.

There's how Apollo went berserk after the death of Asclepios. There's how Herakles had planned to be favorized by Fate since his birth thanks to Zeus, and how the entire reason Zeus inflicted on his wife the atrocious torture of hanging chained up by the sky was because he had enough of her constantly tormenting Herakles in the worst ways possible. Even Athena ended up taking care of Erichthonius as her own child despite her not being his true mother - showing that even the virgin, sexless, childless goddess has a mothering side to her.

It all goes back to Gaia, and how she keeps turning against Zeus for each time vanquishing her children - from the Titans, to the Giants, to Typhon - despite these children being again, bad news and even hurting Gaia herself. Another example of "primordial motherhood": Nyx shelters Hypnos from Zeus' wrath in the Iliad, and not even Zeus would dare anger such an elderly mother-goddess. And if we push beyond the boundaries of Greek mythology and into the very late Roman literature, we see this trend continues with Aphrodite's smothering-mothering of Eros during the Psyche legend.

A good lot of conflicts and feuds and problems in Greek mythology was precisely due to how much the gods loved their children, and how protective they were of them - with the problem that the god had the tendency to be blind to whether their children were good or evil, victims or criminals.

This is why, for example, Zeus and Hera's relationships to their children were especially important and unique in Greek myths, in the light of this god's tendency to favorize and spoil and protect their own children.

On Hera's case, her action of, for example, throwing Hephaistos into the sea at birth just because he is "ugly" is meant to come off as massively shocking. Remember that in a good bunch of Greek myths, Hera had a negative, evil, dangerous side to her, that popped up in various ways - from her jealous, vain, angry personality to how in some versions she literaly gave birth to Typhon... Unlike Zeus, who was the "ultimate father", Hera wasn't (in myths, I insist) seen as a postive mother, and was more of a mother-of-monsters avatar (after all, she did command a lot of Greek monsters), or an anti-mother (she was the one who prevented Leto from giving birth, a powerful symbol).

On the other side, Zeus was also seen regularly punishing or being very harsh to his children, but there was the secret to his character: Zeus had to act both as a father, and as a king. He embodied the all loving ancestor and the all powerful father, but he also had to act as the embodiment of law and of justice, and those two aspects of his personality clashed a lot. We see him punish his divine children regularly, but almost always because his role as the enforcer of the law primed over his role as a father - for example when he wanted to throw Apollo into Tartarus because he had caused a Cyclop genocide out of anger. But he still had this same "over-parenting" side as the other gods. Again, Herakles was one of his favorite children and he tried to arrange everything so that he could have the greatest life ever - but his official side as the "political" and "civilization" god caught up to him when Hera tricked him into swearing away the gifts he had intended for Herakles. Despite Zeus' immense love for his son, his oath and the law he embodies took over and prevented him from sheltering Herakles from Hera's hatred. The most revealing case of this "father vs king" aspect of Zeus' personality comes from the Iliad: it is the death of Saperdon.

When Zeus looks upon the Trojan War and sees that his son will soon die, he is very heavily tempted from interfering. He explicitely wishes to save him, and to change the scales of fate to avoid his impending death (because remember in the Iliad Zeus was still the god of fate who literaly weighed humans' destinities in his scale). That's his "father" side showing up. But then Hera, who is by his side, who is his queen and thus his "political" side, reminds him of his duty as a king and of his role as ultimate judge of the world and ruler of the gods. She points out he would break the very own law he imposed of not interfering with the mortal conflict. She reminds him that, as the setter of examples, if he saved Sarpedon, he would create a precedent and other gods could also start saving their own children from the war. She reminds him that he has a role as the god of law and fate, and that he can't allow his personal feelings to interfere in the matter, else he would be unfair and unjust. And thus, Zeus resignates himself to let his son die before his eyes - but he still shows his immense love for him by both sending a shower of blood as a sign of his grief, and then ordering Apollo, Hypnos and Thanatos in person to carry Sarpedon's corpse away (predating future legends about great kings and heroes taken into the afterlife by supernatural figures, like Arthur collected by Morgan and the ladies of Avalon).

In conclusion: having the gods act as if they were all bad, abusive, absent parents not getting involved in their children's life or not caring about them is actually going against what the mythology originally said in terms of characterization. The untold rule of Greek mythology was that, if gods were bad parents, it would be because they were too loving, too protective, too smothering, too spoiling, interfering too much. Not the other way around - unless you were Hera, of course. Meanwhile, having the gods act as "assholes" and bullies towards OTHER GODS' children, now that would be accurate to Greek mythology (this is the very basis of Hera's cycle of legends as a persecuting goddess). But the gods usually stuck by the side of their own children - a bit like how in a school's football or soccer game the parents end up fighting each other because of what their children did or did not do in the game.