Kishimoto Never Meant For Hinata To Be Seen As Naruto's Savior In Pein Arc. However, He Was Also Smart

Kishimoto never meant for Hinata to be seen as Naruto's savior in Pein arc. However, he was also smart enough to be creative about it. By this time, he knew Hinata would be paired off with Naruto, he could have written Hinata with a bit of grace. But Kishi doesn't work like that. To choose to write her confession this way, he showed her to be a silly girl infatuated with the hero, not as a shinobi or someone who cares or thinks of her family or village or anything else. She has been almost invisible prior to this in Shippuden, hardly having any contribution to the narrative or a battle. So this chapter could have served to portray a more well rounded Hinata, but Kishimoto had different plans. Safe plans though. On a surface level, it seems Hinata is doing it out of the force of her love for Naruto, but we get to see how things unravel and it does not show Hinata in a good light.

So while Naruto is battling Pein, it is made clear that Naruto's message has reached the Konohabitants (people of Konoha), and they know what to do, not interfere.

This message has reached Hinata as well.

She is clearly worried, she is sitting there, under the protection of her branch family bodyguard.

We can see that Katsuyu is there with her and her injured slave.

So while Hinata is on this side, on the other side, Inoichi and team have located Pein and need to send teams with chakra sensing type shinobis to look for the exact location.

Well, Hinata is a chakra sensing type.

Right then, to stress on this, Kishi makes Gai's team enter Konoha, and Neji is shown to use Byakugan to recognise Jiraiya's frog, Gamabunta. So we get the impression that a chakra sensing shinobi would have been really able to help.

But then, before anything could happen, we see her doing this.

And then immediately, we see this happening to her.

Hehehe, idc what anyone says, Kishi did it this way for the chuckles, I just know it. You must have seen this happening in cartoons, some foolhardy loser who highly overestimates their abilities would unthinkingly rush in to fight the villian with all the swagger they could muster and get yeeted out in the atmosphere Right Away and then you hear - AAAaaahhhhh... which then slowly fades off into the distance. Always draws chuckles and sniggers, great comic timing. Heh.

Now, just the way Kishi wrote this chapter called 'Hinata's confession', is quite informative of Hinata's feelings for Naruto and Naruto's complete obliviousness of Hinata's existence. We understand that Inoichi has found Pein's location and needs 'chakra sensing type' shinobis in as many teams as possible and they are relaying that message through Katsuyu.

So if Hinata had waited two more seconds, she would have probably been able to contribute to the battle rather than falling on her face with strike one.

Hahaha. Kishi, you genius, you.

He established the whole scene where Shikamaru, Ino, Inoichi, Katsuyu, Shiho etc are planning a smart scheme and following up diligently, actually contributing to the battle. We have already seen Sakura doing her job, helping villagers and the injured (one of her good moments, there are so few and so far apart sigh..), we have seen Konohamaru blast one of the paths of Pein, we have seen Tsunade doing her best saving people, we have already seen Kakashi and team fight Pein intelligently and creatively, and then we see Hinata who is literally just sitting there. How exactly do we see her contribute to anything?

So as we see Kishi developing this battle arc, we have seen how various Konohabitants have contributed to the battle, and we have gotten a strong sense of how absolutely devastatingly strong Pein is, and then we see Hinata charging in like a lunatic, while the others are hatching plans and schemes and actually using their training to somehow defeat Pein.

Yes, Hinata is emotionally driven to protect Naruto and can't think logically but her short sightedness almost got Naruto killed. Some confession. Heh.

If only she had shown some patience and mental acuity, something shinobis are actually trained in. She would have been able to help Naruto and somehow contribute to the battle. But well, that has never been Hinata's strong suit.

Thing is, she admits she is being selfish. She Knows whatever she is doing won't help anyone. She knows she can't hope to defeat or even delay Pein. And she obviously isn't able to help Naruto. She went there to die, she knew she probably would die, so might as well confess to Naruto before either he died at the hands of Pein or her. If she really wanted to help Naruto, she would have used her abilities to hatch a plan of action. Or devised some creative trick. Or something that she knew would have at least a miniscule chance at succeeding. Not what she did.

But well, that's not how Kishi wrote her. Never intended to. He always meant to portray her as a wallflower, someone whose everything revolves around Naruto, who stalks him from a distance, who only shows courage and motivation to fight when Naruto is looking, who does nothing to make her presence felt.

What's even funnier is Kishi establishes this right away. How? With the panel cover of this chapter.

This is Hinata. In a chapter called her Confession.

Sitting there, nervously balled up while not even looking directly at Naruto. Naruto turned away from her, going about his business without even being aware of her existence. How the touch of his distinctly drawn mere passing shadow makes her curl her toes and blush uncontrollably. Like a shy little girl in throes of a high school crush. When Kishimoto said in one of his interviews that Hinata is someone who watches from the shadows, he didn't mean it only figuratively lol. 'Hinata - the shadow girl'. That man cracks me up, the joker.

The visual language says everything you need to know.

He couldn't even be bothered noticing her on his own, is it any wonder that Naruto doesn't respond to her confession?

So I'm not going to start like an Anti-Chiron tag because I don't find that enjoyable personally, but every so often people ask why I dislike him so here's essentially a "masterpost" of my thoughts on that situation for when anyone asks, just so I have it to explain some...

This isn't nearly a full list, and there's many more "incidents" that make me less than fond of Chiron, I don't hate the old man but he leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'm not a fan of that. He's a very twisted character.

- The Lightning Thief

This quote is literally just after Percy's mom "dies", they're all sitting on the porch of the Big House right after he's finally woken up after days of sleeping, and that's the line Chiron pulls out on him.

That's straight up emotional manipulation which was entirely unnecessary in the context of what Chiron was trying to explain. There wasn't a single reason for that, in the slightest.

Immediately following that, and Percy, who canonically has anger issues, does his best to remain calm, he is immediately threatened by Dionysus, and Chiron doesn't even tell Dionysus off for doing that; Chiron just let's it happen. It's Grover who has to speak up to tell Dionysus off...

The only reason Chiron comes out looking like a old guy in this scene is because Dionysus was so much worse in his behavior, at one point intimidating Percy with his power over madness.

- The Titan's Curse

This is the aftermath of when Nico ran away upon confirmation of Bianca's death. When Percy is telling Chiron about the situation, Chiron wishes Nico had been eaten alive rather than recruited into an army.

He'd rather a child be dead than fight against him, and he openly tells this to other children he's in charge of. If Percy went missing would he have said "I hope he was eaten <3" as well?

I don't blame Perry for not delivering the truth here, it was done in an effort to protect Nico; which wasn't something Annabeth had planned on doing... I don't blame Annabeth for that though either, she's been beneath Chiron so long that she probably doesn't realize the shady stuff he does, and to her "going to tell" probably was the "right" move because she was a child...

But the fact that Chiron believes Nico truly would be better off eaten than alive :/

- Tower of Nero

This quote from Tower of Nero shows that Chiron lied to a bunch of young children (most of them were young because the older campers are largely dead because of the war or too old for camp now). It wasn't just a little white lie that adults sometimes tell kids either; they were walking into battle and he told them it was a field trip.

Did he even begin to explain the danger he was putting these kids in? Did the children understand their situation? And how dangerous it was?

Kayla has been blindsided over the years into thinking that telling children they're going on a field trip instead of fighting a battle is something to make a joke of and not be questioned... (Again, I don't blame her she's only like 12 in the book, but still)

Apollo also agrees, which isn't on Chiron but it's a whole mother reason why I can't stand Rick's interpretation of Apollo...

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This isn't me being like "oh Chiron is the worst most evil character ever" I just think that he has numerous flaws which are largely ignored in favor of the "perfect wise teacher" narrative when in fact Chiron and Dumbledore share a lot of.. Offputting qualities.

I do think that some of the situation is simply a result of Chiron having his hands tied behind his back by the gods some. And he even goes so far as to confirm this in a scene of TLT

However many of the scenes in which he exhibits behaviors like that in my first three screenshots are not related to anything the gods require and are, in fact, of Chiron's own free will.

Some things I would blame Zeus and the council for, such as how he withholds information from Percy to an excessive amount for long periods of time even when Percy straight up asks about things. I could easily see that being Zeus trying to prevent Percy from claiming the prophecy as his own, and I could see reasoning that maybe Chiron had sworn over the River Styx or something similar.

But those things don't apply to Chiron making such an unnecessary comment about Percy's mother so close to her "death". It doesn't explain why he would say he hoped Nico had been eaten out loud, and it doesn't cover the fact that he led children into a battlefield without telling them that's what was happening.

I think the context of Chiron's choices and comments would be different if the campers were older. If they were in their late teens or early twenties for the most part, I wouldn't really have much to say about how Chiron handled the situation.

But this man is in charge of children and extremely young teenagers, Percy is only 12 in TLT, maybe if he would have been 16 or 17 then I could give Chiron a pass, but he wasn't. Within the context of the comment he made in the Titan's Curse, Percy is only 14 and Nico is 10 at the beginning of the book... You don't wish a 10 year old had been eaten alive by a monster no matter how bad you think the alternative is, and if you do wish that you don't say it out loud to a group of other children. In the battle from Tower of Nero we get a quick look at the battlefield, and although Ben's age, and the age of another girl fighting alongside him are never confirmed they are implied to be fairly young, and we know Kayla is only 12 at the time too; yet Chiron told them it was a field trip instead of a battle, limiting the time they would have to mentally prepare themselves for what was coming.

On top of that, the nods the reader gets to the fact that Chiron can't act out against the gods depletes over the course of the series. After TLT the amount of times the situation involves the gods interfering with what Chiron is allowed to say lessens, and by the time the Heroes of Olympus series comes around, these limitations on his speech is almost entirely gone. Yet as seen in Tower of Nero he still does morally questionable things in regards to how he treats the campers.

Like I said, I recognize that in many scenes Chiron's hands are tied behind his back because of the gods.. But there are undeniably things he does of his own free will that are, in the nicest manner, very :/

This also isn't a full list of comparisons just a few notable scenes. I don't think Chiron is equally as bad as Dumbledore, but I think it undeniable that Chiron has some significant flaws built into his character design.

A good character has flaws, and there's nothing wrong with having a character that doesn't always conduct themselves properly or have good intentions- it's actually good writing, and I can appreciate that, but for some reason I find myself personally rubbed the wrong way by Chiron. This doesn't make Chiron badly written, or poorly designed, in fact I would say Rick's Chiron is very well designed in lots of ways, but I just don't like how it's never acknowledged by anyone in the series.

Like I said, I'm not starting an anti-Chiron situation, I just think little events like those mentioned, the way he's built a child army, and how he doesn't even try to plead with the gods over raising the ages on campers being allowed to battle is a little sus. But it more so bothers me that there's no attention payed to this problem anywhere in the books, not even by a side character or Luke, nowhere.

I don't actually care that much and this isn't that important to me, but sometimes people ask why I don't like Chiron and this is basically just my explanation to hand off to them... It's not even so much that I dislike Chiron entirely, he's well written and has his "good" moments, I just don't like the way other characters interact with him and his actions.

It's more a personal beef with him rather than an aspect of poor writing or him "being bad"... PJO in general (and HoO/ToA to a much lesser extent) shows that there's not such an inherent good vs bad in the world, and that sometimes people are victims of circumstances in some situations, or they're horribly misguided in their actions, but the series does a good job of showing those people as human still, and I applaud that.

I don't really know how to tie this up in its entirety, but there's nothing wrong with having a morally grey character who does questionable things and in many aspects it is good writing. I think Chiron is a result of Rick not thinking through the implications what he's doing in lots of situations, and I can see a fairly consistent drop in Chiron's characterization from PJO-ToA which is consistent with most other aspects of Rick's work.

I also want to clarify that if you like Chiron and disagree with me, that's absolutely 110% okay, I just personally dislike Chiron and that's on me. Like my problem with many of Rick's other immortal characters, I think he missed important aspects of them in some manner and slightly (or entirely in some cases) mischaracterized them in comparison to their original myths.. Some of these characters he came around on and fixed their character in many aspects to their more "correct" characterization (like Hera), while others (like Chiron and Apollo) he never quite figured them out. Which is a running complaint I have with Rick so I'm just adding this to his tab.

But yeah, I don't hate Chiron I just dislike him and those are different things, and I don't think it's a bad thing to have a morally questionable character, Chiron just personally rubs me the wrong way and I just wanted to explain that more fully because I've been asked about it multiple times.

Also I apologize for not adding a [read more] to this, it's a complaint of mine often when scrolling through the tags but I'm on mobile currently and don't have immediate access to a computer so~

Omg, let me give you a hug for your fanon v canon Percy posts that I just discovered :') I'm so heartily sick of fanon Percy - it's a caricature of book Percy, book Percy is so much more, so much deeper. The Percy I see in most fics and headcanons and fanart is a cartoon, not even just literally, and I don't understand why, is it just people lacking reading comprehension, what is it? (not all fics, headcanons, art, mind you, some are spot on). If I were to put it in one word - that word would be

‘maturity’. Percy is mature, beyond his years, he’s an old soul who manages to salvage his sanity with humor and optimism and idealism as defense mechanisms, and if you look closely, he has as many moments of dark humor as the slapstick kind, if not more. I don’t know who the dumb, cocky, obnoxious dude in the tag is, because the Percy I know is downright brilliant, humble to the point of thinking he’s dumb, and one of the kindest, most considerate and compassionate people in the whole series.

I’m crying and screaming yes so loudly I don’t think you understand. Yes. yes. YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Percy Jackson is one of the most complex characters I have ever read about. Why that complexity seems to be forgotten about by most people in the fandom, I’m not sure. It probably has to do with Rick’s writing style, since it isn’t always that serious. But I digress, yes, Percy is so mature beyond his years. His view of the world and his approach to situations is very practical and smart and adult in nature. Its true he’s not always the most perceptive, but he understands the life he leads as opposed to others. He understands that his innocence has been taken from him even at the age of 12 because he encourages us, the readers, to not ask for the truth because we won’t like the results. He believes that ignorance is bliss and how many 12 year olds can you honestly say would be wise enough to understand why parents lie to their children and not only that, but encourage that parents keep doing so? To keep their children safe? I wouldn’t say that many. And this is only one instance, on the first page of the first book, of so many more throughout the series. One of the things I relate to most about Percy is the deep conclusions his thought processes come to regarding the situations he’s put into. He does occasionally get distracted and does have some goofy thoughts, but guess what, Annabeth does too and that doesn’t mean she’s any less smart or wise. They both have ADHD so of course they’re going to get distracted. But when he’s not distracted, Percy’s thoughts are pretty profound and philosophical and so true that they are generally thought with a biting tone because he knows how true they are and he detests it.

I agree that Percy is absolutely brilliant. His intelligence, like his attitude, is beyond his years. I don’t think he has quite the war-set, plan making, crazy perceptive, strategic mind that Annabeth, the daughter of one of the goddess’s of war, has, but I wouldn’t say that Percy is a warrior at heart. He’s gentle and kind and helpful and smart despite his disheveled appearance. Characters in the books catch on to that quick and learn not to underestimate him. I’d also say that he’s pretty clever and cunning as well. Again, probably not as much as Annabeth, but he knows how to utilize manipulation techniques to outsmart villains and other sketchy characters, starting with the first book where he talks Crusty, the water bed salesman, into sitting on one of his own beds. Despite what many (including Annabeth) may believe, Percy is not completely dependent on others for mythological facts. He can recall them, mock them smartly in his head, then use them to his advantage without being told anything. He doesn’t like to rely on people for help, he likes to feel smart, which is why at first he’s so put off with the nickname “Seaweed Brain”. He considers that an insult. Now while Percy is smart, I wouldn’t say that he’s the most witty or “sassy” person out there. He does have some nice sarcastic come backs, but a lot of the time he’s thinking ‘“I didn’t really know what to say.” and “I said something intelligent like,’ huh?’” He doesn’t always have a come back, sometimes he’s just quiet and listening and absorbing. And that’s okay, I find that to be realistic as a matter of fact.

I wouldn’t categorize Percy solely by his humor if given the choice. He has a sense of humor but I don’t think that’s his defining feature if you will. He’s not a joker, he’s not looking for the attention. He gets uncomfortable and flustered when all eyes are on him and tends to have his hands in his pockets and his shoulders sort of hunched. Generally his humorous thoughts are sarcastic and kept to himself to, as you said, preserve his sanity in these impossible situations. He doesn’t find practical jokes to be all that funny and is quickly fed up with people who don’t take things all that seriously when they should. Yes, you’re right. Sometimes his sarcasm can be a snorted ”You have a feast for tuna?”, other times its an unamused ”He’s the sun god,” and more times still its a bitter jab like ”In a way, it’s nice to know there are Greek gods out there, because you have somebody to blame when things go wrong.” That last one though is a thought in his head, kept to himself. Its a defense mechanism right, but it doesn’t always work. We know he has frequent nightmares and wonders if he’s crazy sometimes. A reoccurring theme in the books is Annabeth being a reminder to Percy that everything he has seen and is seeing is real and not made up by his imagination. Aloud Percy does try to be optimistic and encourage optimism and positive feelings in others by smiling and making them feel good about themselves and going out of his way to help them out. Internally though he can be pretty pessimistic and doubtful about himself and others. Often he’s thinking “I didn’t think it would possibly work, but I tried it anyway.” And is usually surprised when he’s underestimated himself and others because he took a realistic approach to the situation instead of a less realistic one.

And this comes into play in some social situations regarding him too. For as compassionate and sensitive as he can be, he is sometimes completely blind to people’s feelings toward him because he’s just not looking. That’s not what he’s worried about or focused on. In BOTL he has a world to save and a possible death to face in the future, he’s not going to be perceptive of Annabeth’s romantic emotions especially when she comes across as confusing and hostile because she’s jealous of Rachel. In TLO he’s very well aware of Annabeth’s feelings but is scared because its unknown territory and he’s stressed enough as it is and Annabeth doesn’t make it easy for him. She yells at him for having friends outside of Camp, for having a life outside his responsibilities, claims he was running away, makes him feel bad about things that make him happy. And he feels bad, then gets mad that he feels bad, because he’s allowed to have a life outside of Camp, right? And so he’s all confused and upset and worried that he pushes the romantic feelings aside and takes the war straight on with a level head the way an adult would, saying “If I die, I die. We can’t worry about that, right? Now let’s move on.” Its all very serious and I don’t think people grasp how actually serious Percy’s character is, how serious he has to be given the life he lives and the responsibilities on his shoulders. He’s independent and virtuous and rebellious and has so much integrity he really doesn’t need anybody. He can survive perfectly fine on his own if he chose to, has survived perfectly fine on his own for weeks when he had no choice in the matter.

Percy’s self-confidence is interesting and very human because sometimes its up, but other times its very down. As I said before he’s not always comfortable with attention and calling the shots, but he can do it if he has to. A reoccurring theme with him is that he doesn’t like to be singled out in any way. When he first arrives at Camp Half-Blood, people don’t give him a second glance and he kind of likes that. He starts to feel accepted until his dad claims him and then everyone is watching him and avoiding him like the plague and he’s absolutely downright miserable about it. “Just when I’d started to feel accepted, to feel I had a home in cabin eleven and I might be a normal kid—or as normal as you can be when you’re a half-blood—I’d been separated as if I had some rare disease.” When Percy confronts his dad for the first time and Poseidon tells him he, singularly, is a mistake for being born, Percy kind of retreats into himself and tries not to cry. Later when the fact that he’s a son of Poseidon is brought up as a bad thing again in the Roman Camp, Percy thinks sarcastically that maybe he can make friends by scaring people and then looks at his dad’s temple and, again, tries not to cry. And as all the Romans watch him warily in the mess hall, he kind of shrinks down in his seat and tries not to be noticed because he just wants to fit in with everybody else but he doesn’t have any control over who he is so there’s really nothing he can do but try to hide. Percy wants to belong and its a constant reminder any time someone looks at him funny that he just can’t. Not really.

Percy does have a lot of pent up rage that he tries—and generally does okay at—keeping under control. He says it himself in Son of Neptune. Most things he can handle keeping a level head with, like being called stupid or weak or whatever, but sometimes people can really grind his gears and he’ll surprise himself when his vision is going red and suddenly he’s grabbing them by the front of the shirt, or strangling them, or torturing them with poison, or having dark dangerous thoughts because that’s just not who he is. He’s usually pretty calm and he knows it. Moody sure, but he usually knows when its time to back off and take a deep breath and regroup before he does anything too stupid or reckless. He’s just…good. At the core of who he is Percy is such a good person. Like the sea, that gentle side of him combats against the dark rough waters and is victorious for the most part. Percy likes to help people. He likes to see people smiling and laughing, he likes to be “the gentle waters that speed boats on their way”. That’s one defining feature of his character: his compassion and it plays such a large role in everything he does to the point where Annabeth grumbles that he is too nice—because he can make bad decisions from only seeing the good in people, like when he shows mercy to Ethan and Ethan returns the favor by nearly stabbing him right in the middle of his back. And even AFTER Ethan almost kills Percy, Percy tries to convince Ethan to help him fight Kronos up in the Olympian throne room because he sees the good in him and his sight is right, because Ethan does help him that time and is one of the people that keeps Percy alive. His compassion is sometimes a burden but other times it is a quality that ensures his survival, something to this day that I think Annabeth still has a hard time understanding.

I like how you call Percy an old soul. If someone were to ask me who Percy Jackson was, I would show them the paragraph in the Son of Neptune, where Hazel is watching Percy steer their boat along the water and he’s just sort of sitting there quietly watching the horizon, radiating power and a sort of sadness. He knows the life he leads and he doesn’t like it one bit but he knows some day soon he’s going to face a monster he can’t beat. The second thing I would probably show someone was the part where Frank asks Percy if he wants to use the Gorgon’s blood to retrieve his memories and Percy tells him no, that he should save it for someone who might need it more. And Frank is just stunned and thinks to himself that no one else in camp would have been selfless enough to make that same decision, including himself. The last thing I would have shown someone was the part in The Lightning Thief where Percy jumps off the St. Louis Arch, NOT because he thinks he’s going to survive, but because he thinks that if he dies, the monsters will go away and the human strangers will survive. And this is just one instance of so many where Percy takes this selfless approach. He finds out he’s dangerous and the best option would be to kill him, instead of getting upset he understands the gods’ viewpoint and considers that maybe the world would be better off if he weren’t there, as long as it meant everyone else would be safe. He’s thinking about himself in self-sacrificing moments like this and I don’t think he wants to die at all, but he’s willing to if it means the world is saved. Percy has goals and dreams he’s working toward, that’s why he turns down being a god, that’s why he’s thinking about college, that’s why he wants to marry Annabeth, but he’s willing to push his own desires aside to ensure the safety of others.

The sort of funny part is I don’t think this kid considers himself to be a hero, not in the least.

thinking about how nico’s introduction to demigodness is a direct reflection to percy’s introduction but while percy Did Not Want To Be A Halfblood, it was literally a dream come true for nico. thinking about how they both lost the only person that mattered to them (percy’s mom & bianca) and both did everything they could to get her back. thinking about how percy sided with nico immediately when bianca joined the hunt bc he knew what it was like to lose your only support right before being thrown into a new world. thinking about how only one of them actually got their person back. thinking about how nico shows what would have happened to percy if he had lost his mom for good.

What is your opinion about Konoha being a fascist government and the Will of Fire being a fascist propaganda?

Usually Uchiha apologists comes up with this claim and are salty about Sasuke finally sucking up to Konoha.

It's hilariously ignorant of them and their claims are blatantly untrue. I've seen some of these people's 'arguments' and it all boils down to "Konoha authoritarianism so fascist! Please clap! Me intelligent!"

Fascism is equally authoritarian as a monarchy, an oligarchy, or even a theocracy. Further proving that these pseudo-intellectuals don't know what it is when in their small brains "authoritarianism = facism".

The villages are all authoritarian dictatorships, to some extent. While fascism is a type of authoritarian dictatorship, it is classified by its anti intellectualism, cult like ruling caste, strict abhorrence of foreigners and anything deemed "unusual", and hyper religious zealots. While Oto and old Kiri/Mist could accurately be called fascist, Konoha hardly qualifies as one.

Even with Kishimoto's sketchy and vague world building of Naruto's politics, the facts are there: There are at least two councils in Konoha (Elders and Jounin committee) which can limit the Hokage and prevent him from being an absolute dictator, there is Daimyo/Feudal lord who seems to share the power and has some authority over the village. Foreigners aren't demonised. The cult dogma typical of fascist governments isn't there. Literally nothing is there to back Uchiha apologists' 'arguments'.

I've also seen how Will of Fire is supposedly the aforementioned missing cult dogma...and excuse me, what?! Cult dogma consists of rejecting reality because you don't like the implications (what actual states use to brainwash the population), Will of Fire is literally the generic Shounen shtick about compassion and power of friendship and all that jazz. It's quite simply about being a good person. Plus, Danzo doesn't even believe in Will of Fire and he's supposed to be the super 'fascist' in this scenario.

Moreover, Naruto's world is clearly a Feudal Japan copycat. Are these silly Uchiha apologists gonna go back and call all the old civilisation fascist states?! They might as well be doing that since they clearly have no idea what fascism means.

The fact this is coming from Uchiha apologists who literally support Uchiha's coup (AKA subjugating everyone else) is highly ironic. It's quite more likely that Uchiha would have made a fascist state out of Konoha had their coup been a success.

Plus, the one of the actual facism governments in Naruto's world is Bloody Mist. Aaand it was helped established by two Uchiha over the decades (Madara and Obito).

I have to say the fact there are some people who throw words like "facism" so casually is disheartening, much less for a generic shounen whose author was so distressed and pressurised, he flat out admits he barely thought his plot through or planned anything ahead. And being so casual with facism makes the word lose its weight and is, quite frankly, offensive and insensitive toward real-life victims of facism.

I'm not saying to not analyse your favourite media. Overanalyse it for all I care but you can always be intelligent and sensitive about it instead of pulling bs out of your behinds. Use canon not your bad fanfiction.

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As for Sasuke, I don't see him as a state bootlicker. He was an international criminal, got pardoned and now goes where he wants in a world that pardoned criminals are under massive surveillance and scrutiny and Shinobi have to be in their villages as much as possible. I never saw Sasuke's loyalty toward Konoha but rather toward people he cares about, namely Naruto. This is my take on Sasuke's character.

Thanks for the ask.

Do you believe her now Alya lol