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Omg all of this is so good!! Making the canon 2nd tier into the 3rd tier is a really cool idea! In my case of making her new Persona Odile, I was considering that it would maybe be named after one of the ballerinas that performed in Swan Lake as both characters, Pierina Legnani. Especially since Legnani apparently previously performed in Cinderella so it would be a nice bit of irony. Though that's mostly due to Ann's 3rd tier being named after someone who performed in "Carmen." But honestly, your ideas work just as well!! That reminds me, I should rewrite "A New Pair of Shoes..." someday.

IN THE CASE OF CENDRILLON.

I think I won't be the first to say that Cendrillon is not the ideal primal Persona for Sumire. And I mean exactly Sumire after her true awakening post-rank 5.

Yet, Cendrillon is perfect for the Kasumi. The awakening was painless without blood, shot by shot, copying the magical girl's transformation. And she had no problems accepting her Persona, proudly shouting her name to the unknown danger. You couldn't find the more ideal folktale heroine for a character like that.

In addition, Cinderella is known for her hard work something that Kasumi has been putting on in her gymnastics, keeping her positivity and smile. And we have Maruki as the fairy godmother that can make Cinderella's wishes come true. Besides that, Kasumi is the type of girl that easily appease a crowd, or in her case, The Prince.

Now, for Sumire. The game's explanation for Cendrillon is that the true reality for Sumire is essentially living in the cinders; when she was nothing but a servant at her own house. And... That's it? While I am sorry, I haven't played Royal yet by myself, I tried to find as much about Sumire and I saw a lot of people having problems with Cendrillon not changing to a different Persona.

The idea of her sister becoming a Persona (a thing that you could witness in the Megami Ibunroku Persona - and honestly, the whole third semester is the plot of P1) - just, doesn't add a lot to Sumire.

I like Vanadis for her design and idea that fits to demons and mythological figures.

Ella doesn't add anything special as well. People interpret it as a new and happy beginning, but having Persona be basically a bride? It feels very surface level. No offence to Shigenori Soejima (artist and designer for P5) you made a cool design. I just have several questions to a person that is very keen on creating waifus for the sake of waifus.

THAT'S WHERE I END I PRELUDE AND MOVE TO THE IDEA OF THIS POST:

I found an interesting comment on YouTube about "a Tumblr post that talks about Odette being the better Persona for Sumire" <- Which I reblogged just earlier. It wasn't the size I was expecting. … But still, upon hearing that idea, I went:

HELL YES THAT'S COOL!!!

But, instead of Odette, I think Odile is our ideal TRICKSTER Persona.

Okay, so, hear me out:

Odette and Odile in the original ballet were played by the same ballerina because Odile was the daughter of the bad guy, and he turned her to look like Odette to fool the prince and yada-yada.

BUT!!! Odile is like a dark side of the same character that wants to be her perfect self - Odette - but fails, which could only be fixed by "the magic" or in our case, Maruki's actualization (aka Von Rothbart's magic in original).

YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GREAT? Here is Rothbart description from the wiki:

While Maruki is not so vicious, having the Messiah complex. His ideal reality is based on how HE sees fits. So, people had questions. If someone wants to be famous, but another person's desire contradicts that wish, what will happen?

Maruki can: 1) Erase that desire, 2) Change it, 3) Let that come true if all contradiction are eliminated.

Let's forget for a minute about Odile being Rothbart's daughter. In the scenario of P5R, Maruki would do whatever in his power to make that girl wish come true.

WHICH WHAT HAPPENS. MARUKI MAKES SUMIRE'S WISH COME TRUE BY TURNING HER INTO ODETTE. LIKE IN THE ORIGINAL.

Now. Imagine, as her fake awakening, Kasumi has Odette. Her perfect, kind, courages self, who is not afraid to speak her mind, has the swan princess. And you know what swans symbolize? The meaning of a swan is grace, beauty, love, trust, and loyalty. Swan symbolism is also linked to inner beauty and self-love.

(Smth that Sumire thinks she lacks)

The swan curse can be interpreted as Maruki's powers over Sumire's memory and conscious. She is a swan while living under Maruki's thumb. But when she remembers - she realizes she is not a white swan, not even a swan, not Princess Odette.

She is Odile. A trickster with changed appearance and behaviour to make her dream come true without grief on her mind. Does it remind you of someone? Someone who has TWO persona and TWO personalities that goes with the outfit? What a great way to help us understand Sumire more by associating with another character! They are not identical, but they both were kinda manipulated into their positions. Why have a boring love triangle when we could have a strong friendship bond between characters that share some unique experience? Like with the Thieves!

[And I just love how it feels like the types of movies that show us the events from the point of view of a "villain". Someone, give me a play where Rothbart is the manipulative parent who uses Odile for his wishes to become a king or smth, like this guy:

Now back to Cendrillon. Leaving her as Sumire's Persona, we still think that Maruki is her fairy godmother, when in actuality Maruki is someone who made her someone completely different to become her perfect self. Like a father that would do anything for his kids' wishes, no matter the cost.

Second and Third Awakenings:

Vanadis fits quite nicely with the Swan Lake theme with her black feathers. Freyja is a goddess associated with love, beauty, fertility, etc.

And for our third awakening, we could have someone like Nina Sayers (?) because I love this description.

"…and put herself through emotional torment to become perfect."

But honestly, idk who could be Sumire's third awakening in this context. Too many ballerinas. Too little knowledge :c

BUT!!! BALLERINA. WHICH IS PERFECT FOR A GYMNAST. IT JUST FITS ON SO MANY LEVELS, ISTG.

tl;dr Basically, I propose for Sumire to have:

Odile (Swan Lake) > Vanadis > A ballerina.

Kasumi as Odette Persona and Sumire with actual Odile Persona. Cendrillon feels surface levelled.

Sidenote: For AkeShuSumi/ShuShumi/AkeSumi shippers. You can have a SWAN, a CROW and a demon with WINGS lolololo

Official birb trio. :p

I'd take it one step further and say if Buddie did ever go canon, it wouldn't actually be an endgame relationship. At least, as Buck and Eddie are now, it wouldn't be.

Buddie, I feel, would be a perfect example of Buck falling into a relationship without putting in the work to actually get there, yknow? Like, if Buddie did happen, it would probably start with one or both of them going "Well, we're practically dating anyways so we might as well."

(I don't actually agree with that take, even if they were co-parenting Chris [I personally see Buck more as an uncle figure, but I digress], they don't do anything that I wouldn't do for my own friends. But, just for the sake of the argument, imagine that that's their reasoning for getting together.)

Buck and Eddie are great friends, but the way they deal with relationships is... not the same at all.

Eddie would inevitably treat Buck like he does all of his other LI's, as a babysitter-with-benefits, because in this scenario he hasn't processed or dealt with the Shannon of it all.

Buck is a people pleaser, he gives 110% of himself in everything he does, and likely wouldn't mind being treated like a babysitter, or at the very least, wouldn't say anything about it until he explodes (see: Buck, Bothered and Bewildered). In my opinion, they're just not compatible as a couple, and their relationship would be... I don't want to say toxic, but not the healthiest, and you know for a fact that the people who ARE chanting "Buddie canon s8!!!" would explode at the very thought that Buck and Eddie wouldn't be the picture perfect relationship that they've read about in fanon.

The more I hear some buddie fans speak, the more it feels like...it isn't about the actual, on-screen relationship potential anymore. It's become this amorphous, idealized Thing that Must Be Won, like the MacGuffin in a heist movie - it doesn't matter what the MacGuffin IS, just that it motivates the characters' actions. It's like it's not about these characters, and whatever interaction they have, it's about this obsessed-over desire, turned over and over in the mind so many times like a word that you repeat until it loses meaning. It's just a Want, a prize to be strived for, and sharing the Wanting with others who also Want is a way to an in-group. I'm also convinced that if it actually happened - a lot of them wouldn't like it, because it could never live up to the fantasy MacGuffin relationship in their minds.

I’ve long held the belief that if Buddie ever went canon (it never was nor will it ever) that they’d never be happy with it. and the reason for that is they’re not in love with Buck and Eddie as they are in canon; they’re in love with the fanonized versions (and tbh a good portion don’t even love Buck the way they’re always, always complaining about the stories he gets versus Eddie).

how many bagels is too many in one sitting......i want at leasts two bagel....

I'm obsessing over this song! I only started listening to King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard yesterday, but it's awesome!