Toriel - Tumblr Posts
The world’s saviour is an acolyte of deviousness and trickery. Good luck, world. Also, don’t feel too bad for them, because only the rich people had chocolate.
BONUS:
A few months ago, my brother got me the Undertale cross-stitching book as a belated Christmas gift. These are the patterns I’ve finished so far.
pls i cannot get undertale off of my mind
this is based on the post-pacifist route where toriel asks sans to interpret her texts but he just types stupid shit like this. it made me laugh i love the little easily missed interactions like that
y’know. that part
i doodled another one of these i just think they’re so funny
^^these are some screenshots of this one
pls i cannot get undertale off of my mind
this is based on the post-pacifist route where toriel asks sans to interpret her texts but he just types stupid shit like this. it made me laugh i love the little easily missed interactions like that
y’know. that part
it’s the anniversary! or it was. i’m a little late. :)
![Goat Mom :]](https://64.media.tumblr.com/cab9baee88b90edc62ae88697fcc8e6b/e19c6419b3471809-0c/s500x750/c29ef285327674e2bed9c803a45bcaa18e370c56.jpg)
More fun thoughts about Delta Rune.
I’m betting a lot of people are thinking Toriel, Kris’s parent, has to be the one to try and step in to stop their dysfunctional behavior. That’s not going to happen.
I love Toriel but, as a parent, I see at as pretty WILD and fucked up that she allows them to just, have their own knife, and that eating a pie in the middle of the night is something to laugh off.
Toriel is a very dysfunctional “permissive” parent in a few different ways, and I really don’t doubt that was a strain on her and Asgore’s relationship. I have a lot of suspicions that Asgore’s “incident” had to do with the stress of repeatedly trying to bring up their concerns about Kris only to be rebuffed.
I think we’re going to be exploring Toriel’s key flaws in her loving, compassionate personality in Ch 3. Love is not enough to help Kris.
Kris has so much love given to them throughout their life, and yet, that really hasn’t been enough for the emotional turmoil resulting from social isolation, and possession by an entity Kris can’t even talk about.
I could even see Toriel deciding, well, if Kris wants to stay in Dark World, why should anyone stop them? Let alone their doting, loving mother.
So what the hell even IS the relation between Monsters and Humans in the world of Deltarune?
Undertale made the basics very clear to the Player straight from the opening of the game: Monsters and Humans used to live together as equals, after the war the monsters got sealed in the Underground, with humans ruling over the surface. The more specific details of Monster-Humans relations got revealed as the game went on, since both Frisk and the Player were introduced to Monster Culture.
(That’s why I always assumed the narration is like… the standard Human narrative about the War of Humans and Monsters, what Frisk knew before venturing to the Underground. That’s why the opening narration implies it was a long and seemingly equally-matched battle, rather than horribly one-sided as described by the ancient writings in Waterfall)
But in Deltarune this is one of the things the game plays on to separate us from Kris. Kris has lived in this world all their damn life, and as the Only Human in Town, they’re probably more aware of Monster-Human Relations than most - but we’re still newcomers. And the game is intentionally obscuring and confusing the details of the dynamics from us for now.
(Kris themself might be doing it, since this is what happens when you check the bookshelf that had “The History of Humans and Monsters” innit during Chapter 2)
(which honestly kinda reminds me of…)
But what HAVE we managed to learn so far?
There’s some stuff that seems to indicate Humans living side-by-side with Monsters just like pre-war and post-Pacifist Ending in the Undertale Timeline. A lot of it is early on in Chapter 1 and I think it was kinda meant to confuse us into initially thinking that Deltarune is a direct continuation of Undertale’s Pacifist Ending.
For example, gingerbread monsters and gingerbread humans…
Compared to Toriel’s house in the Underground in Undertale, which only had gingerbread monsters
A book about “the History of Humans and Monsters”
Versus Undertale where we kept finding books about “Monster History”
Although yeah, some of those references are just part of the Deltarune Chapter 1 Misdirection, they are still real things in this world. And a few still exist way past the point of trying to make us think is this happening after the Pacifist Ending. Like Susie’s comment in the end of Chapter 2.
I MEAN…. Giant Human Movies technically exist in our world where Monsters don’t exist at all. But they’re not considered as like… a separate equivalent to Giant Monster Movies, they’re just considered ‘giant monster movies’? And there’s not so many of them? This kinda implies that Humans and Monsters are seen as equal to the point that they’re about an equal amount of movies done about them being Giant and rampaging through town.
Buuuut on the other hand, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Kris is the Only Human in Town. We have seen no other Human anywhere. There this little Rabbit kid who keeps asking them invasive questions that imply a lack of familiarity with Human biology.
And mentions of Kris trying to fool other people with that presumed lack of familiarity
And the books in the town’s library seems to be written exclusively to a Monster Audience
So it’s not surprising that some people assume that the Deltarune timeline might the ‘reverse’ of where Undertale started. Monsters are living on the surface and the Humans…. might be trapped underground? (maybe in a certain bunker?) Or they just died out? That Kris isn’t just the Only Human in Town, but one of the few Humans around, period?
After all, a lot of the stuff that might initially suggest Monster and Human co-habitation is found in the Dreemurr’s house. Maybe Toriel bought human-shaped gingerbread cutters and books about Human history to try and help Kris feel less like an outsider in their own home?
(The other possibility is that there’s both an about-equal amount of Humans and Monsters but they tend to live in separate communities. Like, Hometown is a town in the middle of MonsterCountry and most of the humans live in HumanCountry)
But there’s OTHER stuff in the game that doesn’t seem to match with these idea, too! The thing I keep thinking about is the Dreemurr household’s shampoos.
A small container of shampoo for the hair of the one Human in the household. A gallon-sized container for the fur of the one (two? how long has it been since Asriel left for college?) large fuzzy goat in the household.
But… in a world where there’s an equal amount of Monsters and Humans, why would a shampoo for fur be labeled as ‘PET shampoo’?? Plenty of Monsters, who are fully-sapient people, have fur instead of hair or fur AND hair. Why would Kris’ shampoo be considered ‘default’ while Toriel needs to use a shampoo designed for PETS?
At first I thought it was just a minor plot inconsistency but now I can’t stop wondering about that.
Is it actually a thing where… Kris is the Only Human in TOWN, but Hometown is the Only Town of Monsters? Like, outside of Hometown Monsters are still very much in the minority compared to Humans? So while their library can stock up with Monster-Centric books, mass-produced products like shampoo are still very human-centric?
I’ve heard some people speculate that Susie is New in Hometown, maybe she came from a Human-majority town where she was treated by an outsider for being a Monster - only to move to Hometown and find out that she’s STILL an outsider. Making her both the inverse and exactly the same as Kris - who lived all their life in the Monster Town of Hometown and doesn’t seem to relate much to other Humans. If they moved into a Human-centric town, they’d be just as much as an outsider as they are in Hometown, if not more.
That might explain why she seems weirded specifically by the concept of gingerbread monsters (even though in Hometown, it seems like the gingerbread humans would be the Weird thing)
And might also explain this line from Susie in Chapter 1
Which seems weird because if Monsters even remotely follow Undertale Rules, they do NOT bleed. I mean, the burying practices of Hometown seems to confirm Monsters still turn to dust when they die - and all the references to Kris’ blood that I brought up earlier sure seem to imply that only Humans have blood and therefore only humans bleed?
But if we assume Susie grew up in a Human-majority community… it’s possible that this is where she picked up that phrase????
I’m not sure which of these options I really believe (or would like to see happen). They all seem to have their evidence, but they all seem to have something that makes them Not Quite Work. And I’m never sure if I’m looking too closely into a silly oversight or really up to something.
What IS for sure is that the game doesn’t want me to be sure about this, at least not quite yet. There’s SOME misdirection going on and I wonder where it leads.
I’m thinking about the idea that Kris was preventing us from reading that “History of Humans and Monsters” book. Is it because they figured out we’re Not From Around Here, and the less we know, the more they can trip us up and possibly reveal us? Or is there just something in that book Kris doesn’t like reading about?
doodles i did on free draw
toriel has been made👍👍 (au im working on, where the monsters were never forced into the underground, and in result, took a liking to airplanes and such)
