I Will Defend To The Grave That Literary Analysis IS Enjoyable And A Valid Hobby But It's Amazing How

i will defend to the grave that literary analysis IS enjoyable and a valid hobby but it's amazing how a hyperfixation on The Character will have you writing essays for fun

ARE WE ALL HAVING AND READING THE SAME POSTS?????????

@sunshines-child Sunny, you're my four moot who has the same problem as me

I'm going f feral, i'm so done wirh people's willing ignorance, i like Circe's book (not all but I have my motives), but I hate people that come up with the book as their basis and attack or ignore the Homeric works, I'm so fed up, I made a post a put a link in my Master post, cause I'm tired of wirting extensive posts, and next comment is something along, Odysseus sucks, what a cheater.............

I'm letting Troy burn again but with ones inside 🔥🔥🔥

istg if i see ONE more person go "Odysseus is this horrible yada yada" (he's morally grey jesus christ) because the only shit they've read is Circe by Madeline Miller i'm going to lose it. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A RETELLING IS!????? RETELLING. y'know, the word with the literal dictionary definition of "tell a story again or differently"

The amount of comments i have seen, one of those has popped up in a YouTube comment, ughh...

I made a post a little ago, i'll try to post it:https://www.tumblr.com/aaronofithaca05/747186767823831041/circe-s-case?source=share

Yes people think that Odysseus was a rampant cheater who only wanted to be "laid" or the other route: what a whimp, he couldn't be laid, his nightmare is my dream, stupid.....Also comments as poor Penelope, waiting while his pig of a husband is having the time of his life or whatever.

I think if we made him a her and they masculine, we wouldn't have this conversation. It's really sad in my opinion that in the eyes of some people your gender decides if you can are allowed to be pitied. Like that is so gross.

Odysseus was a s.a víctim (though Homer never wrote him like that, it wasn't his intention). The pourpose of his journey was to get home, to Penelope, to Telemachus, to Ithaca.

i know i'm years late to the party but are you telling me that kids today think odysseus is a misogynistic creep because madeleine miller turned the protagonists of a 4,000 year old piece of classic literature into r*pists? when nearly every instance of odysseus being with a woman on his travels was basically straight-up coercion or because he was ordered to do so by a god? when his wife was so in love with him that she waited for him for two decades? when he broke down in tears upon hearing her voice again?

Oh, no, he wasn´t meant to be a s.a survivor in the homeric texts, as if you see there´s not the representation of a traumatised s.a victim. He´s weary of the two but not to the point of mental insanity.

And yes Homer, the op author of all, (welp collector of orally transmited stories) does indeed make him above his societie´s perception of loyal and good spouse (pretty basic). And Calypso being a representation of temptation is so good!, yes now that you mention it is true! all her promises she acted like a siren!.

But because now we´re in this day and age, his experience is definitly a s.a though Homer´s never wrote that way; 7 years as being a sexual slave, come on, the trauma is served!. (he wrote Odysseus suffering Calypso while in Ogygia not so much outside, for Homer, he was more devastated for not being able to get home, than the thing that happened every night).

Circe and Calypso have very different roles in the Odyssey

First the similarities: they're both steps to overcame on his nostos and they're both desirable women (Homer throws bits about Odysseus playing the role of lover/father all around the poem for us to see what could've been and long for this family's reunion).

Only one of them plays a role as an abuser.

Circe has a parallel in Protesilaus, as a deity who has to be tamed through a very specific set of steps, and if done right, will give you important knowledge to go back home. Only in her case, the "ritual" involves intercourse. Because woman 🤷‍♂️. There's no attraction from Odysseus' part but neither from Circe. She must think her life is at risk to look for a way to buy his mercy and then keep on with the rest of the steps. I honestly don't think it's supposed to be about sa but a task. This ritual only ends once both have earned each other's trust. Because of it Circe nurses all the crew back to health for a year along with giving them the info. There's also a subtext of male subduing female (women at the time are seen like untamed nature that men come and civilize, therefore the luscious landscapes both women inhabit), and specifically this type of female who is unwed, doesn't like men and subdues them for her benefit. What we'd call a man-eater. Hehe that pun wasn't intentional but I'll leave it.

Calypso has a parallel in every male god who has taken women for themselves (eyes turn to Zeus), her words not mine. But that's not her main role, I see it as a little something Homer added. She's is the only foe who cannot be defeated by Odysseus himself but with the gods literally plucking him from Ogigia. She's the "game over" screen. Homer directly addresses the theme of sa, like "hey I know we don't really care about women's consent but WHAT IF I PUT LITTLE BABY IN THAT PLACE DO YOU FEEL EMPATHY NOW". I think he does it as a personal artistic liberty and it's honestly heartwarming. But Calypso's role in the myth per se is just temptation. Consider it: a woman, a paradise, eternal life, etc. Things any man would supposedly want (look at it like the very common story about the man who becomes successful and rich so he gets himself a beautiful new wife and leaves his family behind). But Odysseus not only chooses his family but Homer has him crying every day. There's also the bits about him laying with Calypso literally against his will, but that changes between translations: some say he doesn't want "it" specifically, some are more vague. It's clear he's very unhappy with his situation, anyway.

I'll not address the "cheating" because now I'm sure there was no way for a husband to cheat. Ok I'll address it. Odysseus not wanting to bed other women other than Penelope is not supposed to be the standard, is just him being extra. Like a millennial treating their pet like a child. The bare minimum for him to be considered a perfect husband would be just taking good care of Penelope. Yeah, for Homer he's a super-douper, excellent, shiny, glittery husband.

What's my point? Who knows. I just wanted to add to the conversation. I don't think Odysseus is supposed to be a sa survivor in the myth that existed beyond Homer. But I do think it's a really good conversation to have, because yes, for modern standards there's a lot of filth to discuss in there.

So ye.

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Odysseus would kill anyone who disrespects his wife, not in a: for my honour I shall mantain the name of my dear. No he would be the one of:

-Listen here you little imbecile, before you say hi to the one of many names, i will extirpate your heart and when the light vanishes from your eyes the mere thought of you would have vanished this realm like morning mist in a summer day.

I hate it when I talk wistfully about the ancient world and then people are like “you wouldn’t survive back then” yeah obviously I would die immediately but do you think achilles would be able to survive in the modern world if he had to send one polite email? no