Ladybug Told Him To Stop MULTIPLE Times Throughout The Series And NOW He Decided To Listen When She Did

Ladybug told him to stop MULTIPLE times throughout the series and NOW he decided to listen when she did that. Also it’s a cartoon, like y’all take the exaggerated part lightly. I never thought of anything serious bc of it.

In the balcony scene chat was being annoying to her. you took that out of context.

Marinette wasent happy that he was sad. Like she thought she could cheer him up. But kagami literally used that sintiuation from her manga and used that situation so mari could ask him out. I don’t see how that is any better. Adrigami tried and failed.

Why would she apologize for be aggressive when he actually finally listened to her? Why would she feel remorse. it’s only an invitation for him to annoy her again.

Also this episode doesn’t show her obsession and she kinda stopped it. The only way she can get real consequences for it if she got caught

I need to get this off my chest. But first, let make this very clear to you.

Ladybug had every right to call out Chat Noir on his incessant flirting. It was about time that his flirting was addressed.

HOWEVER, Ladybug throwing him in a trash bin wasn't justified at all. And I can't believe that a lot of people actually found what she did to be acceptable and justified. Her calling him out was justified l; her throwing him in a trash bin and then violently shaking it to take him out was not. Would you like it if someone threw you in a trash bin? Hm? 🤨

And that doesn't end there. When she sees Adrien looking all sad, what does she do? She was HAPPY to see him sad and decides to take advantage of his sadness by giving him a present while fantasizing about it. This scene made her look like an opportunist, honestly. She didn't give a damn about Adrien's feelings. Compare this to Kagami who told Adrien this: "If there's something wrong, let me help you." Really, Thomas? I don't understand how you still expect EVERY fan of the show to root for Marinette and the love square while you also expect us to not root for Adrigami when you make Kagami more straightforward and honest about helping Adrien while making Marinette make a romantic fool of herself in front of him and not caring about his feelings, just her own.

Speaking of that, in the practice scene on the balcony, she tells him that his feelings don't matter and that it's about her, and then proceeds to shout at him by saying that it's not about him. Wow. Hypocrite much?

These scenes made me unable to enjoy the Marichat scenes, TBH. And when she told CN about her boy problems, I couldn't sympathize with her. Not only because of what happened earlier in the episode, but because the show in general treats her boy problems as if they're more serious and important than Adrien's family issues and even her own struggles as Ladybug.

In conclusion, Chat Noir promises Ladybug to stop acting all flirty with her and apologizes to her about it. While I find it disappointing that he's still pursuing her, at least he did tone down his flirting A LOT in subsequent episodes. Which is a surprise considering this show's lack of consistency and development.

Meanwhile, Marinette shows no remorse for being aggressive with Chat Noir, doesn't apologize to him, faces no consequences and learns no lesson at all. For the longest time, people have been saying that Adrien doesn't face consequences. Well, there you have it. Will Marinette ever face consequences for her constant obsession with Adrien? I highly doubt it considering that Thomas sees absolutely nothing wrong with her behavior...

This dosent even make sense. How does it concern his life? How was ths LB fault. She is the gaurdian and su han came to her. She needed vipirons power and she wanted to made sure they were all safe. Did you forget the part where she called chat 16 times? I dont get what the problem was? Told him what truth? She was doing what her higher powers were telling her.

So, Ephemeral was an experience. Can I just say that I'm really salty about Marinette's/ LBs initial plan to tell Su Han Chats identity? Because chances are she wouldn't have told Chat about the whole deal: He would've told LB in confidence, trusting her, not knowing, that there would be a third person with LBs instructions/ blessing to be a part of that conversation. Chat wouldn't have known that there were two people knowing his secret identity. This is what I call manipulating and purposely deceiving someone.

This falls back on Marinette's/ LBs way too complicated way of thinking that has been shown before. And it shows that she does not, in fact, trust Chat Noir.

Trusting him doesn't mean telling him "I trust you with my life", because at the end of the day? Those are just pretty words that are worth nothing if not followed up with actions.

She could have/ should have told him the truth. Trusting him to come up with a shared and consensual plan or to tell Su Han himself or to at least consent to her overly complicated plan. But no. She chose to go behind his back.

Yes, she is the guardian. Does it mean that she has to share everything with him? She should, if she wants to uphold the "we are partners farce", but thats just my opinion. I know thats a difficult point. And I can get behind some arguments arguing the opposite. But this one? This has everything to do with Chat and his identity, his life and safety. This concerns him more than her, so yeah, I'm salty.

The whole "It didn't happen at the end so all is good" does not work for me because the only reason it didn't happen was because Marinette/ LB didn't factor in the possibility that she'd be surprised or that she'd knew Chats identity. She went with her new plan after putting 2 + 2 together and realising that whatever happened with the timelines was a direct consequence of Chats identity reveal and not because of some kind of "this is not fair on Chat Noir"- epiphany.

She wasn't even planning on revealing her own identity. Not even for those few seconds it would have taken Viperion to reset the timeline. Komm schon!

Disclaimer: I'm not salty on main. No, Chat is not perfect either, yes I've been Adrien-salty before.

Now that you talked about Adrien's flaws, what are Marinette's?

Marinette’s flaws stem from the fact that she can be painfully single minded to the point of not really considering things from other people’s perspective.

And this can lead to a few of her flaws, when she can be pretty judgemental (though she has very much grown out of it now), being jealous, and being a control freak.

Once she latches on a plan, there are very few forces in the world strong enough to get her to snap out of it, and while this makes her perfect for the Ladybug miraculous, it also leads her into trouble.

Her insistence on creating a plan and sticking to it, if it fails, create another plan and stick to it also reads into how much she cares for other people and just wants to make things right for them, but where Adrien succeeds in sitting down and listening to what they have to say, she fails.

She does make up for it when there is some sort of trigger that makes her change her mind, like when she realizes that she misjudged Adrien and Kagami, and when she listens to what Alya and Chat have to say. When she realises she was wrong, she does everything she can to make it right. (That’s what makes her different from the antagonists of this show, she is willing to hold herself accountable)

Marinette views communication as a strategy, and it works for her, a lot of times with akumas and other situations, but she knows that communication involves vulnerability and going with the flow. Marinette doesn’t fear vulnerability. (Not like Adrien does) She fears unpredictability. She fears risk.

She can’t predict what Adrien’s answer will be if she confesses, but she can’t and won’t force him to love her either. She can’t continue making excuses and lies and keep up the secrets forever, but she can’t expect her friends and family to shut up and take it either.

So Marinette turns to logic instead of taking a risk. She can go ahead and make the situation romantic, she can woo Adrien so that he can come forward and confess to her, instead of it happening the other way around and risking rejection. If her friends don’t come to her and try to figure out what’s going on with her, she won’t have to lie to them anymore. She views real, honest human communication like a battlefield - if she has the right plans, Hawkmoth can’t get to her.

And the show has proved that though her tactics are brilliant and logical and have saved a lot of people in the right circumstances, it isn’t a fail safe either. The few times she has let her guard down, the few times she let herself be vulnerable with no backup plans, the results have been overwhelmingly positive. For example, when she was honest with Chat Noir about her platonic feelings for him, and about the two times when she felt like she wasn’t capable of fixing things, and she was honest with Alya when she revealed her identity to her. It seems like Marinette hasn’t realised just yet what truly talking and communicating with someone, even with a risk factor can do, but she is on her way to getting it.

I blame Fu for that actually, because he encouraged her taking on all responsibility of saving Paris and protecting her identity all on her own instead of letting her depend on other people, which is why she hadn’t realised the positive reaffirmation that can be gotten from depending on others. Letting herself take a risk with Alya was a huge moment of growth for her.

this is not even true but okay

Nina Salazar-Roberts is an Bad Character

“[Nini] is just amazing, she’s meant for greatness” but is she? All of the characters in HSMTMTS fawn over Nini, but should the viewers like her as much as they are told they should? Nina Salazar-Roberts is the main character in seasons 1 and 2 of High School Musical: The Musical: The Series. But she is not a good main character because she is supposed to be the underdog but is not, gets away with her mistakes, and is a bad friend in comparison to the other drama kids.

HSMTMTS tries to do the typical underdog story in the beginning of season 1 and succeeds… with Ricky and EJ. But they fail when it comes to Nini and Gina because her insecurities come from something unrealistic, the rest of her life is amazing, and Gina overcomes much more than her. The reason Nini is supposed to be insecure is not something that should make someone especially insecure. Her insecurities are supposed to stem from getting an ensemble role the first time she auditioned for a musical. She was in grade 10 at the time with 2 grades ahead of her that would be more talented because of their age and it was her first time auditioning. When you look at the big picture it is completely normal that she got an ensemble role. Not to mention the fact that she could have not gotten a role in the musical at all. Her insecurities could stem from elsewhere but when you look at the rest of her life, it is amazing. When we are shown her grandmother she encourages Nini to follow her dreams in the only scene she is in. And her 2 mothers are so kind that when Nini’s ex-boyfriend, Ricky is having family troubles he goes to their house to sleep over. Her best friend, Kourtney spends most of her time supporting her and her boyfriend, EJ is a popular jock who sees her as a star and would do anything for her. Lastly, the old drama teacher gave her an ensemble role in beauty and the beast without Nini auditioning. This all adds up to Nini having amazing support systems and no reason to be insecure more than the average teenager. This would not be that much of an issue if Gina had not overcome so many obstacles that Nini did not have to face. Gina is a transfer student who has a single mother that works for FEMA causing her to not have any long lasting friendships. And when she mentions her mother in the first few episodes her mother sounds like she puts too much pressure on the girl. She would have to overcome her mother not being able to pay for good lessons and constantly feeling out of place and lonely. She would also have to deal with the amount of pressure her mother puts on her. Despite the fact that she is supposed to be the underdog Nini comes off as privileged because the root of her insecurities is unrealistic, she has an amazing support system, and Gina has many more struggles than her.

Having main characters be flawed is very important to a series but Nini gets away with all her mistakes. Nini is not punished for hurting others, does not take responsibility for her mistakes and gets things she does not earn. When Nini jumps to conclusions and overreacts she is not punished and is immediately forgiven. In the beginning of season 1 after Nini’s phone goes missing she thinks that Gina took it. Without any evidence or talking to Gina or an adult she takes her shoes and water bottle, Kourtney also steals Gina’s scarves, jewelry, laptop, and more. When Nini finally returns them to her Gina tells her that she never had her phone and Nini still does not apologize. Later in the series when it is brought up again it is revealed that she was forgiven for returning them. Stealing is serious and she should have been taught a lesson in that episode about overreacting, but she was forgiven just because she returned the things. When Nini treats people badly in relationships she blames them for how they react. When she was dating Ricky she made it as hard for him to adjust to her changes as possible. Then got upset when he could not handle it and broke up with him. Then she pins all the blame on him and says that he is not being supportive of her changing. This is very clearly both of their faults and she could have learnt to be a better girlfriend and friend but instead Ricky never even gets mad at her about this behavior. Nini also always gets what she wants even if she did not earn it. During the opening night of their musical when the dean of an acting school is in the audience Nini makes many mistakes and goes off script to sing with the boy she likes. Then the dean says that she has a voice to share and offers her a spot in the school. Nini also got a part in the fall musical made for her even though she did not audition. She could have had to practice to become a better actress or auditioned late but instead she just always gets what she wants. Overall Nini never has to learn from her mistakes because she gets away with hurting others, her mistakes are blamed on others, and gets things even if she did not work for them.

When you look at everything Nini does for the other drama kids she is a comparatively bad friend. Nini will center herself when talking to her friends, not do any favours for her friends, not thank her friends for what they do for her, and only see things from her point of view. Nini does not care as much about her friends' issues as hers. When EJ tries to talk to her about not getting into Duke she changes the topic to her not liking the Youth Actors Conservatory. When Kourtney tried to talk to her about someone who was shutting down her ideas, Nini instead assumed she was talking about Gina, who Nini was mad at. Nini did not think about what these people were dealing with and instead made the conversation about her. Nini does not do as much for her friends as the other characters do. All of the other Drama kids have done favours for each other such as Ashlyn letting Gina stay at her house and Seb and Gina planning a Quinceañero for Carlos with Nini being on the receiving end for many of these. But the most Nini has ever done for someone else is try to give them confidence, something that the other drama kids do on a daily basis. This makes her friendships seem like they only go one way and like she is taking advantage of them. After her friends do big favours for her she never tells them that she is thankful or even that she appreciated them trying to help her like that. Kourtney got the Dean of the Youth Actors Conservatory to come to the opening night of their musical so she could be offered a spot and Ricky convinced Miss Jenn to give her a part in the musical. Also, Carlos posted her song on Instagram so it could blow up and Gina gave Nini a music producer’s phone number so she could make music professionally. But we never see Nini thank any of them despite enjoying how they all helped her. It seems like this is supposed to make her seem less insecure, like she knows that she is worth it. But, it just makes her seem like a bad friend who just expects people to do big things like this for her. Nini also does not try to think about other people’s perspective. She breaks up with EJ because she felt that he thought she needed to be saved. She also got upset with Ricky for not handling her changing well when he was already having issues with his home life changing and she was dumping it all on him at once. She never tried to understand that EJ just likes doing favours for people he loves or that there was just too much change for Ricky to handle in his life. Nini is a bad friend because she does not care about issues other than her own, never does anything big for her friends, does not thank them, and is not empathetic.

In conclusion, Nini fails as an underdog, is never punished, and is a bad friend which is why she is unlikeable. Nini seems to not understand how privileged she is because she is supposed to be an underdog but is not. Because of how good her friends are to her, her treating them so badly makes her seem so much worse. And her never being punished for everything she does wrong also adds to her seeming very privileged. When you look at the issues with her character the overarching theme is that you would love to be in her position. Like many main characters you are supposed to see yourself as her and when you do not her character breaks apart revealing all the issues. So I will leave you with the question, what effect does indulging ourselves in the fantasy of being praised for beating people who are struggling more than you, never being punished, and people loving you even when you treat them badly have on us as a society?

1. she took his phone to delete a message and it was shown as bad and knowing his schedule for the next three years is impossible so it’s obviously exaggerated. In that scene she wanted to protect him against lila not stalk him. The show is exaggerated and humor is subjective. Also she had growth and development.

2. Kagami and her weren’t friends and kagami wasn’t exactly nice to her either. Also Mari did apologize and they became friends and values her friendship with her. Why would she ignore lila if it bothers her? Using and lying to her crush? Mari is 14 and one of the things is she acts by emotions. She got called out and lila deserves that. Don’t lie! simple!

3. Marinette didn’t cause riposte at all. Kagami was a sore loser and that is that. Adrien won and she got mad. Marinette did cause gamer she competed like everyone else and won. Honestly the intentions of these DO matter. Most of these was bc it was simply a misunderstanding, or there being sad they lost. It isn’t fair to count these.

4. This is normal. People do these things to wax statues all the time. They yell, they touch it and say werid stuff to it. The hair is what she thought was wax. People do that to poasters too. The thing that made it creepy was that it was adrien.

5. no she dosen’t have problems nor is she problematic.

Reasons why Marinette I hate Marinette

Marinette is a fan-favorite among many, so I’m going to tell the fandom why I hate her. curse words censored for the young people of the fan base

1. She is, very clearly, a stalker.  I’m tired of people just not getting that. She has willingly stolen Adrien’s phone, knows his schedule for the next three years, used trash bins to watch him in his own home, and gets overly offended when anther girls comes to close to him. It’s ridiculous to see people defending her with “She’s a teenager!” or “She just loves him a lot!” because that is stupid reasoning. You can’t defend her stalker behavior towards Adrien by saying shes only a teen, because name one teenager in real life that you’ve seen whose done this. And before someone says that it’s just a tv show so everything is just exaggerated and her behavior is supposed to be played off for laughs, which would be fine, if what she does is funny. Watching someone in their own home because someone else is with them isn’t funny. Kissing something that looks to be statue of your crush is creepy. Using your super-hero identity to humiliate a girl who shows interest in your crush is awful, even if that girl is hated by most of the fandom. If the genders were reversed, and Adrien/a gender bent Marinette watched Marinette/ a gender bent Adrien, the show would be cancelled instantly.

2. She’s honestly a jerk sometimes. I’ve said this once before, and I’ll say it again, she was a b!tch to Kagami in Ikari Gozen. She intentionally sabotaged Kagami and her’s chances to win at the friendship treasure hunt, and she talked bad about Kagami behind her back to Alya. Why did she sabotage their chances? Because Marinette can’t understand that other people are allowed to have a crush on Adrien. Marinette was worried that if they won, Adrien would think Kagami did all the work and pay attention to only Kagami. Which was f**king idiotic because if Marinette knows so much about Adrien, she should’ve known that Adrien isn’t a d*ck and wouldn’t do things like that.  I said this in reason one, but I’m going to go more into it. She used her Ladybug identity to humiliate Lila. She could’ve ignored it, being the bigger person and let Lila lie. She could’ve kept to herself, being the only one who knew Lila was lying until sometime in the future everyone else figured it out. Honestly, she could’ve just laughed to herself any time Lila brought up being friends with Ladybug, and she could’ve, again, been the bigger person. Marinette could’ve just ignored Lila, she could’ve tuned her out, and just wait for her lies to tumble out of control and to blow up in her face. But, Marinette humiliated her in front of her crush. I know it’s Lila, and about 95% of the fan base hates her, but that’s a really sh*tty thing to do, no matter who it is.

3. People got mad at CHLOE for causing akumatizations, but no one seems to care how many Marinette/Ladybug caused.  If you hate Chloe, I’ve seen that a common reason is how many akumatizations she’s caused. But everyone seems to forget that Marinette has caused some herself. Volpina, Gamer, WereDad, Riposte, Backwarder, Dark Owl, Queen Wasp, Animaestro, Santa Claws, Christmaster, Antibug and Evillustrator to name a few. Though, in her defense (wow never said that before) in Evillustrator, it was mainly Chloe who got Nathaniel angry, though Marinette did help make it worse by tricking him. That’s 12, 11 if you don’t count Evillustrator, akumatizations by Marinette. I would list all the people Chloe akumatized, but I don’t really have the time for that, so I did research and found out Chloe caused 14. Basically, Marinette caused two less than Chloe. Before anyone insults me, calling me stupid because “Marinette didn’t mean to cause those akumatizations! Chloe meant them all!” An akumatization is an akumatization no matter what. It doesn’t matter if it was on accident, on purpose, or just a misunderstanding, she still caused them.

4. Puppeteer 2 Yeah, that episode gets it’s own section. I know people must be tired of the Puppeteer 2 slander, but I have to mention it in my reasons. The episode is just…. Jesus Christ. It’s easily the worst episode of Mlb for me. I hate it more than pretty much everything else I hate. First, we all know it’s wrong to kiss a statue of your crush? Right? We get that? Good. So basically, Marinette sees a statue of Adrien, and like any normal person with a normal, non-stalker crush on someone, goes to kiss it, and pockets one of his hairs. Again, things in kids shows are obviously extra exaggerated for comedic purposes, but F**KING H*LL THAT WASN’T EVEN FUNNY??? I get cringy things tend to be extra cringe in shows like this, just so everyone can laugh about how awkward it is, but does no one think this is crossing many lines? I saw someone on reddit say “Marinette kissed him and Adrien didn’t pull back!” Well yeah. He was in shock. Think of it in Adrien’s point of view. You’re about to do a prank on your good friend Marinette by pretending to be a wax statue, and when she sees you, she starts gushing about you, plucking a piece of your hair off your scalp, stuffing it in her pocket, then going in to kiss you. Your simple prank took a major turn, and know you stand there, still in shock that Marinette would act like this. I would add more to that, but I can’t re-watch that scene to see what else happens or else I’ll cringe so hard I’ll never be able to watch that ep again for a month.

5. Conclusion. Marinette has problems. You can disagree with me all you want, but it’s true. You can still like Marinette, I don’t give a sh*t, really. But just acknowledge that she has problems. You can still love hr, relate to her, anything. Just don’t make her seem like the perfect Goddess of a person when she really isn’t. 

she isn’t a mary sue tho? She isn’t a stalker and the only reward she can get is being with adrien. A consequence is she gets nothing and nothing she did worked. Her having a lot of power ≠ mary sue. How is she being famous and a successful family = mary sue? That is the ladybug power not her. Also she does get consequences lol.

how is lila more interesting than marinette at this point