Sansa, Dany, And The Fandom's Shit Takes On Child Marriage

Sansa, Dany, and the Fandom's Shit Takes on Child Marriage

'12 is considered an adult in ASOIAF! stop projecting modern morals onto the series!'

first of all... it's not lol. multiple characters in ASOIAF express disgust and reluctance at the idea of marrying off children, particularly in the case of kids marrying adults. Tyrion himself brings up how young Sansa is. Ned describes Lyanna as a 'child-woman' at 15/16. Viserys expresses doubt that Drogo would find Dany, who is only 13, appealing. adults being sexually attracted to kids is not seen as a 'norm' or 'standard' in the series.

second of all, even though child-marriage does occur in the series, if your takeaway is that anyone critiquing this is 'missing the point', you are so tragically stupid i literally don't know what to say. do you think GRRM included this to celebrate it? to argue that in a morally dubious setting, the onus is on the victim to ‘make the best of it’? that the system can't change, and might makes right? really? that's your takeaway?

third of all, the idea that, had a character like Sansa actually 'embraced' the older men preying on her, she would have succeeded politically and become a 'player' is fucking ludicrous. Littlefinger would not hand Sansa significant power the moment she 'allowed' him to assault her. that's not how he operates.

he has never intended to let her become his equal or co-ruler in any regard. he views Sansa as a plaything and an emotional replacement for her mother. he might actually come to believe he loves her, he might show her affection and support, but he would never regard her as an equal or let her dominate the relationship in any way.

finally, in the case of Dany, if you view her relationship with Drogo as in any way healthy, triumphant, or an assertion of feminist power... I literally don't know what to tell you, lol. yes, Dany is able to use Drogo's affection towards her to secure some safety for the enslaved women of the khalasar.

however, at no point does she begin to actually command Drogo, and the second she displeased him the tables would have turned immediately. bargaining with your rapist is not the same thing as a consensual alliance of power between equals. Dany had as much autonomy within the khalasar as Drogo permitted.

was thinking about ned and cat's wedding and bedding and I just realized Ned must have gotten some similar treatment as Cat from the ladies at the wedding(Bawdy jokes, lewd comments, etc). And now all I can think about is what did the women, especially Maege Mormont, say to Ned.

grrm, i don’t care about winds of winter anymore, just tell me what maege mormont said to ned during the bedding and we’re good

Finally, someone is talking about Rhaelle, many people are fond of Ducan, but no one is saying that BECAUSE OF HER, along with the other siblings, Rhaelle was separated from her home and compromised from a very young age, EVEN IF IT WAS NOT HER DUTY BECAUSE SHE IS THE MINOR. And none of her siblings cared about me.

Rhaelle sure was #teamRobert in the rebellion, she and Argelle danced salsa on the ashes

Okay, I say this as a JAIME LANNISTER stan, but can the Rhaegar Wives plsssssss find something else to do than rehash the same fucking discourse in the tumblr tags? I went into the tags a few days ago and it was essentially just bitching about how people don't like that man or that ship, and like? okay? Do they understand how many times I have to see takes about people saying Jaime is a unrepentant killer that deserves to die? I really don't care and just MOVE ON and go appreciate art and fic or other content. Like I'm sorry your ship or characters don't inspire talented or creative individuals to make content and Elia or other 'MinOR' characters do.....what would you like us to do about that lmaoooo?

Not the Rhaegar wives 😭

This is the first I’ve heard that moniker lmao it took me a second to process 🤣

It’s so weird like fam, who cares if people don’t like Rhaegar, you can love him it’s okay.

With how crazy the fandom is I wouldn’t put it pass them to think the scary Elia stans are behind his dislike. Instead of thinking that rationally with time passing and more and more people reading the canonical text Rhaegar just doesn’t come across as this perfect godlike figure they imagine, and honestly that’s okay it makes him more interesting?

Like why the insistence to try to force him into the perfect angel caricature instead of just appreciating him for what he is. Another one of GRRM’s fantastic grey characters.

Like I promise the what?….9 Elia stans in total can’t hurt you lol. I’m pretty sure Rhaegar still has a huge majority of fans too but alas the persecution complex continues. 💔

Watching people cry over Rhaenys and trash Dorne for killing her is funny, because was Dorne just suppose to bent the knee to invaders?

Don't start talking about how 'it was for the good of the relams because of Aegons vision.'

Alexandra Moen and Elliot Cowan as Elizabeth of York and Henry VII in The Spanish Princess S01E03

Princess Viserra Targaryen daughter of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne. Viserra was the prettiest of the Kings daughters and she knew it, she would entertain young men and would often flirt and play games. She desired to become Queen and sought to marry one of her older brothers, in order to prevent this her mother betrothed her to an old lord. At the age of fifteen she was to be sent to white harbor to marry Lord Manderly, she escaped her rooms and rode her horse around kings landing in a last night of fun. She was thrown from her horse and died at the age of five and ten.