Aegon Always Being Manipulated By His Grandfather And Mother, But Of Course... He Would Be A Better King

aegon always being manipulated by his grandfather and mother, but of course... he would be a better king lol try saying that otto thinks aegon is an incompetent drunk fool and who wants him to just sit his ass on the throne but he's the one who's going to rule for a TG stans

Aegon is the perfect example for how the ASOIAF fandom's standards for men are infinitely lower than those for women. Aegon, the Baratheon brothers, Aemond, and Jamie Lannister are all men who are just shitty people, yet the fandom is obsessed with defending them.

It's always excusable for a man to do something awful, even rape multiple people, as long as they're sometimes funny, are attractive, or do a few nice things. Women, meanwhile, are hated for any mistake if they stray too far from the idea of a "proper woman". Arya, Daenerys, Rhaenyra, Catelyn, and Cersei are turned from being complex characters, some of whom have done awful things, into one-dimensional demons.

The fans who become TG stans have always been sexist in one way or another, HoTD just gives them an excuse to be more open about it. Those who defend and love Aegon do the same for Robert Baratheon. Both men are abusive to their wives, are rapists, have an unknown number of bastards (since TG is obsessed with Rhaenyra's), and are bad rulers. Yet they are seen as superior to the women around them (especially the women who oppose them) simply because they are men.

“Dany’s buildup to power was too easy”. 

Yup. Joffrey becoming King because his father was King was really hard for him. Cersei becoming Queen Regent to rule in Tommen’s stead was the most difficult, relatable, realistic ruling arc for a woman under feudalism to ever occur. Margaery becoming Queen through marrying Tommen was subversive, revolutionary, and unprecedented in the history of feudalism. Robb, the eldest male heir to his father’s Warden of the North position, being elected King in the North by the higborn Stark loyalist bannermen after his direwolf that he stumbled upon in the woods magically one day bit off one of said highborn loyalist’s fingers, was the most grueling experience a King has ever had to go through. Robert Baratheon engaging in a Targaryen hunt and near massacring an entire House, including children that he called dragonspawn, was simply the most poignant leadership journey I’ve ever seen. Tywin lying, murdering, ordering rapes, threatening, and slaughtering people is truly the definition of someone clawing their way to power despite setbacks. Euron, the brother of the former leader of the Iron Islands, killing his brother discreetly and then using a dragonbinder and a crew that rapes and murders its way through the world to convince the Ironborn to crown him was truly a magifnicent display of hard work. Stannis gaining the Baratheon bannermen after Melisandre uses shadowbinding magic to murder his brother, Renly, and Cortnay Penrose, is truly just gorgeous and just, a sign that Stannis is an incredible King who naturally inspires loyalty. Faegon being set up to be King by JonCon, Illyrio, and Varys, and not suffering any setbacks or having to actually rule any people, is actually a sign of how down-to-earth he is and how much he’s endured in his life. 

Dany though? So what if she was orphaned at birth and immediately exiled? So what if she went through poverty and hunger? So what if she was abused by her only family left? So what if she was prey to predatory men who wanted to use her? So what if she’s sold against her will and married off to Drogo? So what if she’s raped every night and then abandoned and nearly killed when her husband is incapacitated? So what if after becoming the Khaleesi to a Khalasar composed mostly of non-combatants she has to survive the Red Waste and is a Beggar Queen in Qarth? Her rise to power was way too easy. Ugh, her dragons have won her every victory. Deus ex machina. She’s so overpowered. 

“Dany did not suffer consequences for her rise to power”. 

Yup. At the beginning, losing everyone in her family except Viserys is nothing. Going from city to city, penniless and hungry, is a cakewalk. Sheltering in Illyrio’s manse was luxurious for her, a true vacation. Being sold to Drogo was an amazing experience for her, especially the part where she wants to commit suicide because her husband is raping her every night. Viserys trying to steal her dragon eggs and then threatening to cut out her unborn child was a funny prank we all laugh about. Drogo becoming ill and falling into a coma, leading his bloodriders to turn on Dany, slaughter Quaro, and Cohollo trying to kill her, before they all abandon Dany and her tiny Khalasar, was actually a super easy moment that Dany dealt with super quickly. Dany going through miscarriage at the age of 14 was physically and emotionally painless and didn’t leave her with permanent scars or trauma. Dany losing her husband who gave her autonomy from her abuser left her in a fantastic and stable position. Dany walking through a funeral pyre alive was truly easy because anyone could’ve done that, she ain’t special! Men in Westeros arranging for Dany to be killed, or for her to attempt to be assassinated so that Drogo can make his move, and her going against all those plans, actually showcases how easy her rise to power was. 

And after she easily becomes Khaleesi and easily births her overpowered baby dragons who can’t take care of themselves for all of ACOK? Whew, she breezes through The Red Waste. Okay, a baby dies. So? Doesn’t affect her. Okay, she cradles a dying Doreah. But Dany is a heartless cunt who has power handed to her so she doesn’t care about that. It’s not like she reflects on the deaths of some of her Khalasar in the Red Waste throughout ACOK and ASOS. It’s not like she says she won’t march her people off to die in ASOS because she’d already been through her people dying in The Red Waste and never wanted to go through that again. So honestly, The Red Waste? Super easy time for Dany. A vacation, really. 

In Qarth, everything is rosy. Xaro wanting her to sell her dragon children and then turning on her? Nothing to worry about. The Undying luring her into the House of the Undying and trying to consume her heart? Pssh, are we really scared of something like that? Dany and her overpowered nuclear beasts handled that in a jiffy. People wanting to steal or kill her dragons? Who cares, they’re overpowered nuclear beasts. The Tourmaline Brotherhood wanting her head? Oh well. The warlocks sending a manticore to kill her? Well Dany is overpowered so Barristan can save her. Ugh, she gets so lucky, doesn’t she? People actually save her. She’s the only monarch in ASOIAF with some kind of protector later on. Joffrey, Robb, Robert, Stannis, Tywin, Cersei, Tommen, Faegon, they don’t have anything like armies, guards, soldiers, knights, etc protecting them. They are literally fighting for their kingships in the vanguard with their bare hands, while Dany is carried on a float by her people and handfed grapes to victory. 

In ASOS? Wow, talk about overpowered to the 1000th degree. Never mind that the Meereneese Masters kill slave children and burn all their olive trees. Never mind that she’s threatened by Kraznys, then by the Yunkai with sex slavery, then nearly assassinated by a sellsword. Never mind that she is heartbroken by Jorah’s betrayal. Never mind that she has to care for a host of 80,000+ starving freedmen, hence the need. to take Meereen. Never mind that the good that she did starts regressing because of the slavers, forcing her to stay in Meereen, despite the advice of her captains who tell her to go to Westeros instead of delaying her campaign further. No, her ASOS arc was super easy, and took no effort or planning from her. Everyone did her work for her. 

ADWD isn’t rife with her facing mistakes and backlash after backlash after backlash. It’s not like she’s miserable, isolated, and hating herself, losing Rhylona Rhee and Stalwart Shield, with war being declared against her inside Meereen and on all sides of Slaver’s Bay, not like she had to chain away her dragon children. Not like she has to see her people suffering even as much as she tries to help them. 

No, Daenerys Targaryen has had a life that is too easy, too comfortable, to neatly set up for her to be a Queen and successful conqueror. She will need to be punished for having such an easy life, and she definitely will be punished when Westeros rejects her in favor of Aegon and she goes mad with rage and jealousy. That’s what she deserves. Robb didn’t make mistakes that led to his death; he was punished unfairly and he was always part of the oppressed groups of Westeros. All these other monarchs were oppressed serfs who gained power for themselves, while Dany is a rich, privileged brat that’s had it easy for far too long, has had power handed to her on a platter, and has had people doing her for work her. She’s definitely getting her karma in TWOW. 

" The dance of dragons isn't about misogyny"

Literally any character who chooses Aegon over Rhaenyra for ruler : she's a woman and he's a man.

TG Mentality is

"Aegon is a rapist and a drunk."

"But Rhaenyra has bastards!"

"Alicent is manipulative and mean."

"But Rhaenyras has bastards!"

"Aemond is a kinslayer."

"B U T R H A E N Y R A H A S-"

It really shows TG stans' true motivations and issues with Rhaenyra. The fact that she's a woman who has chosen to fight for her rights, refuses to be a passive victim, and exercises sexual autonomy just really rubs them the wrong way. They believe that in order to be a "true woman" a character must suffer silently and prettily and work only to further the men in her life. Rhaenyra refuses to do this, so they hate her.

The Velaryon boys are just the most glaring example of how Rhaenyra has taken control of her body in spite of her circumstances. They claim she's usurping Baela and Rhaena because they can't handle that Corlys and the rest of the reapm really don't give a shit about Rhaenyra's sex life. They want to enforce the puritanical and patriarchal beliefs of the Faith on Rhaenyra and her family, and get pissed off that she isn't punished more for rebelling against that.

They obsess over the Velaryon boys because it's the only thing that could actually be condemnable by the realm other than her gender. It has nothing to do with the morality of having illegitimate children, it's about Rhaenyra being a non-conforming woman they want to see be punished.

Yeah, you are right I, too, become racist when I’m stressed. I also became racist when my twin sister died. Rhaenyra is only a victim.

Did you actually read any of my posts about Rhaenyra and Nettles? Because that's definitely not what I said lmao. I said that the sources that claim Rhaenyra said derogatory slurs about Nettles are unreliable at best.

Mushroom made up a whole ass person to make the story more dramatic. He threw in the he slept with Rhaenyra for fucks sake. Septon Eustace crowned Aegon himself and hated Rhaenyra. He wasn't even in KL when Rhaenyra took the throne.

If you're going to try to argue with me, please find actual things I said instead of twisting my words. It doesn't bode well for any of your arguments if you won't bother to find things I've actually said to debate.

(I am very sorry for your loss, though)

I think lucerys is rejecting driftmark not just because of his inabilities, which can be fixed anyway, but also because he watched his mother suffer again and again, he's thinks he will never be as strong as her to persevere like she did, but he was!

Can you imagine your mom gets hurt and stitched up trying to protect you, gets called a whpre for having you 😭 he literally has no one to take these frustrations out on, so he rejects what causes these issues to his mother, he will be free but most importantly she will be

When it counted, he remembered why he was doing this, why he was facing his enemy, who mattered and the way rhaenyra found strenght throught her boys, he found the strenght through her