Hey, In This Photo.

Hey, in this photo.

The blank faces? Very simple cartoony chalk style? Yeah well having no nose and a horizontally longer face than the others makes Angel look like a ditto.

Also i cant decide if the =) rather than the precise ditto :) makes him look more or less haunted by the sins of man.

I feel very similar about this scene, to me it really was one of the most crucial points in the episode and across what we have so far, a pretty important point for Angels character on the whole, as well as a point that started to have me raise my suspicions about Charlie more.

This, alongside another scene that I can’t quite quote from memory but where Charlie says something along the lines of Pentious being the first ‘real’ resident of the Hotel in my eyes was a great way to say that while her heart may be in the right place, her head isn’t and despite her seemingly selfless nature, she doesn’t actually think that hard on if her actions will have consequences for others, leading in nicely to where she goes to see Valentino without thinking of if Angel will suffer because of it.

She’s a princess, literally had everything served to her on a silver platter and while I’m sure she’s struggled emotionally i struggle to believe that she’s ever been in a situation where she was ever really in danger. Especially having 99.9% of demons in Pride be so far below her. She doesn’t have to worry about keeping souls to keep her power and can basically do whatever she wants without any ties to anyone that could have her do something against her will. Perhaps her parents, but I struggle to believe that they’d be worse than Valentino.

Most of her attempts at redemption, like in this scene are surface level, and indicative of somebody that doesn’t fully understand that people don’t do bad things just because they can or they think its funny, they do them because they have other problems under the surface, including physically not having a choice in the matter. (Real life parallel to rich people in power where?? Oh yeah, right there)

It’s also increasingly obvious that Angels ‘free rent’ excuse is just that, and that in reality he just wants a place to be away from Valentino. The fact that Charlie doesn’t seem to notice this or even begin to question why Angel couldn’t just stay for free at the studio shows just how little attention she pays to other people.

At first i thought she was just naive, but now i see that in actuality, she’s so focused on her own goal that she isn’t helping at all, and it comes across like she doesn’t care what they do as long as they get into heaven and make her look good. Granted she isn’t malicious, but the lack of care is definitely something i want to see fixed in her character arc in order for me to actually like her.

After this scene Angel walking away does not seem out of anger or being pissed off at Charlie trying to redeem him, he actually seems sincerely upset, possibly because he feels like Pentious is removing the little care Charlie had for him, possibly because his view of the hotel is being tainted. At least the people in the studio and the street have the balls to call him a whore to his face rather than hiding it in subtext, since this hasn’t actually been resolved yet i think this is where Charlie could lead him, back to the studio (then you can all go crazy with your “Husk gambles for his soul”, “Charlie gives Valentino a beating”, “Alastor gets sufficiently pissed off enough at Vox to kill his boy toy”).

There is also something to be said for Charlie not understanding how traumatic death can be since she’s hellborn. Angel literally died from a drug overdose and who knows, a shady guy like what she’s trying to get Angel to play could have been the type of person he’d go and visit too escape from a shit life. There’s just a total lack of consideration all around.

She also displays this behaviour with Vaggie, ignoring her advice and throwing her into leading a task without asking her first. If Vaggie were not so loyal (perhaps due to Charlie helping her through something difficult) I feel as though she would have left Charlie by now, and maybe she should for a while, because i truly do not think Charlie will learn if Vaggie continues to enable her.

As a final note, you point out that she’s also calling him out for actually enjoying sex. This in my eyes tends nicely to a plot point where in actuality, due to different interpretations of the Bible, outdated views on all sorts of things and the violent nature of some bible stories, that Charlie actually does not know a ‘criteria’ for redemption and so is using shame, throwing stuff at the wall till it sticks, and hoping for the best.

In a sentence, she’s trying to play chess when she has no idea how or why the pieces move, the board is both on fire and spitting fire back at her and her opponent is an ‘alpha’ male that thinks he’s funny.

Ty for tagging me, this was really quite interesting to dive into and put into words, and I’m glad to hear other people not just taking this scene at face value.

This scene:

Shows just how unintentionally ignorant Charlie really is

Charlie wrote the script, gave Angel and Sir Pentous their roles of crackhead and innocent child and had them act it out

And soon after this clip Sir Pentous' character goes on to say that doing drugs isn't cool and then ends the skit saying "I'm off to not have sexual intercourse before marriage!"

Now I'd like to point out Angel is a known drug user and by having him play the crackhead, Charlie ends up calling him out for his addictions and then goes further with Sir Pentious' part of the script to call him out for his job as a sex worker and the fact that Angel actually does enjoy sex

This obviously upsets Angel, along with a few other moments where something is said about his efforts at getting better

The worst part is that Charlie doesn't even realize she's doing it

She wrote that script, which called out Angels flaws and labeled them as bad. She kept mentioning Angels lack of effort but never actually tried to find a way to get through to him nor did she try to figure out why he isn't trying.

I understand that she didn't know about Val yet, but at the same time she didn't seem to think about how there could have been more Angel than previously thought

And I know the scene with Sir Pentious could be played off as him saying it on his own accord because he didn't have a script, but that doesn't seem to be the case

I thought it was a good episode and added layers to the story but I felt it needed to be said how much development was going to made by the characters in order to make everything work out for them

@roguelemon, I saw a somewhat similar post of yours and would love your opinion on the scene

Truly I no longer know what to believe about Lilith and Eve, who is in what scene and if they've switched places. Which one of them, if either, maybe both are antagonists. I'm waiting for someone with more spare time than me to create a massive essay on all the appearances/ mentions of them so please somebody tag me when that exists.

Not the plot point im most interested about but definitely the one I can see going in the weirdest/ plot twist direction. Lucifers comments to Adam immediately raised flags for me as did the seemingly wholesome photos of the Morningstars.

Aro spec Alastor getting told all his life the best thing about romance is the thrill and that he's missing out on the excitement.

Alastor - sitting across the room knowing damn well nothing could ever beat the thrill of murder.

Its so funny to me that the general opinion of Lucifer and Lilith pre show was just "yeah she pegs him and he is so down bad for her it hurts" then the show comes out and not only are they divorced but now people are theorising that Al is trying to undermine Lucifer so hard as a dad because Lilith told him to? (I NEED to know what this man did to deserve that)

This may be one of the biggest theory vs reality differences I've seen for characters ever. Was looking at old fanart and comics of them earlier and my lord did we get it so incredibly wrong.

I dont doubt some people got it right, but most of what I used to see 'back in the day' was them being somewhat deranged but still happily married.

I tried so hard to stay serious. Throwing myself into analysis and lore dives but no. The silly consumes all.

I can't stop thinking about the nonsense ass crackship that is radioapple (not a fan of things that ignore it entirely but ace/aro are both spectrums, I enjoy it as a dynamic not a serious "I want it to be cannon")

Logically the demon Adam theory is not my fav but the DESIGNS??!?!?

I like Rosie so much I've fallen into a pit of listening to jazz music. (The diagram of my music taste continues to expand, I have been left wondering how Alastor would react to 80s metal)

Tried to analyse stayed gone/ Vox in ep 8, got some good points but the main one being Vox has a crush on Alastor in the same way that teenagers who pretend to not like bands because they're "too mainstream" actually have a massive crush on one of the members. I'll produce a more coherent take when I'm sane.

And to top it all off, the owl bastard has infected my life once more, this time with Italian as I try to cope with how beautiful the Italian dub of loser baby is.