Its So Funny To Me That The General Opinion Of Lucifer And Lilith Pre Show Was Just "yeah She Pegs Him

Its so funny to me that the general opinion of Lucifer and Lilith pre show was just "yeah she pegs him and he is so down bad for her it hurts" then the show comes out and not only are they divorced but now people are theorising that Al is trying to undermine Lucifer so hard as a dad because Lilith told him to? (I NEED to know what this man did to deserve that)

This may be one of the biggest theory vs reality differences I've seen for characters ever. Was looking at old fanart and comics of them earlier and my lord did we get it so incredibly wrong.

I dont doubt some people got it right, but most of what I used to see 'back in the day' was them being somewhat deranged but still happily married.

Just adding in here that pre show release, there was A LOT of fics depicting his murders in life as acts he did against corrupt men and creeps. The whole his mother was super sweet but his dad was an abusive bastard thing influenced him to the point where, even though he was just killing whoever pissed him off enough, those people were assholes who arguably the worlds was better off without.

Pretty sure it was just a popular HC with no basis in cannon because people wanted to justify their murderous new fav but it WOULD make sense, especially in his time period before feminism really kicked off and him being mixed so probably a common victim of prejudice.

‘Charitable tormenter’ is the name he got, so maybe in hell he swung all the way to tormentor (also why he never introduces himself using his last name when, traditionally, it’d be Mr *Lastname*)

I know “Great Alastor Altruist” is likely nothing more than a title he gave himself mockingly, but how funny would it be if his last name WAS Altruist?

“They should be at the club”. No, Take them to the pit.

I’m fully aware of the theory that Alastor has some kind of deal with Lilith going on, and from the information we have now it does seem reasonable.

Having said this, WITH ALL THE DR FACILLIER REFERENCES!!! How are we not taking this as a “he’s so incredibly strong that his own power will be his downfall, the forces he commands will be his folly”. Sure you found say with the Lilith argument that it’s his greed for power that does him in but is it really the same if somebody above him takes him down? Then he just ends up another part in the food chain like everyone else NO let this man go out with a BANG.

(I wont be upset if the Lilith idea is true, but him being so greedy he consumes himself? The cannibalism metaphor? ANOTHER link to a classic figure that is what most peoples first thought is when you say Voodo? May Emily save you all when we get more information because the devil will be living in my keyboard and feeding on my screams)

Hazbin Hotel opinion question: do you think Lute being captured at the end of episode 8 instead of retreating would be an interesting AU?

I ABSOLUTELY DO.

It hadn't even crossed my mind but wowww that opens up so much.

She'd obviously be super pissy about it and, I reckon she'd make some decent escape attempts (if its lucifer's magic holding her back though there's no chance).

The metaphorical removal of her wings by capturing her plays so nicely into her paralleling Vaggie. I reckon after she calms down a bit Charlie would probably pity her enough to try and help her, like with Vaggie.

From there you could branch off into Lute tricking Charlie in order to escape. Lute tricking Charlie but staying in hell, biding her time to betray them during an extermination or Lute playing an even longer game.

Lute could also genuinely become a better person (I think that would take even more effort than making Adam a good person but hey, anythings possible) then get sent back up to heaven not even by her own will but just because she's been 'redeemed'. I say that lightly because I'm taking it by being captured you mean there's no point at which she actually falls, but Lute isn't exactly the poster child of Heaven so despite not falling, there's still room to improve.

Lute could also opt to ignore Charlie/ try to antagonise from inside whatever cell she's in. There could be a constant theme of Charlie being nothing but kind and and Lute refusing to give in. (What's that? The sin of Pride?)

You could even have Lute being completely antagonistic to Charlie and Vaggie but its one of the sinners that help her, she's not used to being put in her place so somebody that does that and responds to her firmly? (From here I'd probably make that Angel given her insulting rant about him in heaven, but it could reasonably be others).

I'm sure there's a million other ways this could be handled but to me the most important thing to get down would be the character dynamics. Vaggie and Lute clearly have a rocky past even before she tore her wings off, but having Vaggie feel sorry for Lute rather than be angry could show how she's grown as a person ect. Charlie could end up in conflict with herself between wanting to help and wanting justice (a solid way to explore her morals). I'm sure Alastor would be having the time of his life watching an angel be so pathetic.

Lucifer is a whole other bag but whatever it'd be would certainly have to play into both his heaven based trauma and his desire to protect.

Though, all of this assumes she's captured by the hotel crew and not some other ill meaning overlords, I mean, imagine how much you could sell an Angel for. (With that though I reckon unless it was someone quite high up the power ladder that she'd just escape and kill them.)

Ty for the ask!!!! This got rambly but in short, yeah an AU like that has so many possibilities that I dont think you could go wrong. I'd enjoy reading any one of the hypotheticals I've mentioned, or others since I've certainly not covered everything. =)

Hey, you know how Lute ALWAYS has blood on her? Yeah well after Adam dies and she goes to see Lilith it's just Angel blood, no demon blood.

The mark of a warrior has become the mark of her failure.

She may not have died but, to paraphrase Carmine, exterminators suck at protecting.

Leading into some serious character development I hope.