Im Fully Aware Of The Theory That Alastor Has Some Kind Of Deal With Lilith Going On, And From The Information

I’m fully aware of the theory that Alastor has some kind of deal with Lilith going on, and from the information we have now it does seem reasonable.

Having said this, WITH ALL THE DR FACILLIER REFERENCES!!! How are we not taking this as a “he’s so incredibly strong that his own power will be his downfall, the forces he commands will be his folly”. Sure you found say with the Lilith argument that it’s his greed for power that does him in but is it really the same if somebody above him takes him down? Then he just ends up another part in the food chain like everyone else NO let this man go out with a BANG.

(I wont be upset if the Lilith idea is true, but him being so greedy he consumes himself? The cannibalism metaphor? ANOTHER link to a classic figure that is what most peoples first thought is when you say Voodo? May Emily save you all when we get more information because the devil will be living in my keyboard and feeding on my screams)

Don't you just love it when *insert relatable character* does something that you wish you could but unfortunately *insert shitty real life thing* gets in your way?

That COULD be you, but not in this lifetime.

(This applies equally to not having enough money to do things because shitty capitalism, and also not being able to customise yourself with cat ears because shitty biology)

I feel very similar about this scene, to me it really was one of the most crucial points in the episode and across what we have so far, a pretty important point for Angels character on the whole, as well as a point that started to have me raise my suspicions about Charlie more.

This, alongside another scene that I can’t quite quote from memory but where Charlie says something along the lines of Pentious being the first ‘real’ resident of the Hotel in my eyes was a great way to say that while her heart may be in the right place, her head isn’t and despite her seemingly selfless nature, she doesn’t actually think that hard on if her actions will have consequences for others, leading in nicely to where she goes to see Valentino without thinking of if Angel will suffer because of it.

She’s a princess, literally had everything served to her on a silver platter and while I’m sure she’s struggled emotionally i struggle to believe that she’s ever been in a situation where she was ever really in danger. Especially having 99.9% of demons in Pride be so far below her. She doesn’t have to worry about keeping souls to keep her power and can basically do whatever she wants without any ties to anyone that could have her do something against her will. Perhaps her parents, but I struggle to believe that they’d be worse than Valentino.

Most of her attempts at redemption, like in this scene are surface level, and indicative of somebody that doesn’t fully understand that people don’t do bad things just because they can or they think its funny, they do them because they have other problems under the surface, including physically not having a choice in the matter. (Real life parallel to rich people in power where?? Oh yeah, right there)

It’s also increasingly obvious that Angels ‘free rent’ excuse is just that, and that in reality he just wants a place to be away from Valentino. The fact that Charlie doesn’t seem to notice this or even begin to question why Angel couldn’t just stay for free at the studio shows just how little attention she pays to other people.

At first i thought she was just naive, but now i see that in actuality, she’s so focused on her own goal that she isn’t helping at all, and it comes across like she doesn’t care what they do as long as they get into heaven and make her look good. Granted she isn’t malicious, but the lack of care is definitely something i want to see fixed in her character arc in order for me to actually like her.

After this scene Angel walking away does not seem out of anger or being pissed off at Charlie trying to redeem him, he actually seems sincerely upset, possibly because he feels like Pentious is removing the little care Charlie had for him, possibly because his view of the hotel is being tainted. At least the people in the studio and the street have the balls to call him a whore to his face rather than hiding it in subtext, since this hasn’t actually been resolved yet i think this is where Charlie could lead him, back to the studio (then you can all go crazy with your “Husk gambles for his soul”, “Charlie gives Valentino a beating”, “Alastor gets sufficiently pissed off enough at Vox to kill his boy toy”).

There is also something to be said for Charlie not understanding how traumatic death can be since she’s hellborn. Angel literally died from a drug overdose and who knows, a shady guy like what she’s trying to get Angel to play could have been the type of person he’d go and visit too escape from a shit life. There’s just a total lack of consideration all around.

She also displays this behaviour with Vaggie, ignoring her advice and throwing her into leading a task without asking her first. If Vaggie were not so loyal (perhaps due to Charlie helping her through something difficult) I feel as though she would have left Charlie by now, and maybe she should for a while, because i truly do not think Charlie will learn if Vaggie continues to enable her.

As a final note, you point out that she’s also calling him out for actually enjoying sex. This in my eyes tends nicely to a plot point where in actuality, due to different interpretations of the Bible, outdated views on all sorts of things and the violent nature of some bible stories, that Charlie actually does not know a ‘criteria’ for redemption and so is using shame, throwing stuff at the wall till it sticks, and hoping for the best.

In a sentence, she’s trying to play chess when she has no idea how or why the pieces move, the board is both on fire and spitting fire back at her and her opponent is an ‘alpha’ male that thinks he’s funny.

Ty for tagging me, this was really quite interesting to dive into and put into words, and I’m glad to hear other people not just taking this scene at face value.

This scene:

Shows just how unintentionally ignorant Charlie really is

Charlie wrote the script, gave Angel and Sir Pentous their roles of crackhead and innocent child and had them act it out

And soon after this clip Sir Pentous' character goes on to say that doing drugs isn't cool and then ends the skit saying "I'm off to not have sexual intercourse before marriage!"

Now I'd like to point out Angel is a known drug user and by having him play the crackhead, Charlie ends up calling him out for his addictions and then goes further with Sir Pentious' part of the script to call him out for his job as a sex worker and the fact that Angel actually does enjoy sex

This obviously upsets Angel, along with a few other moments where something is said about his efforts at getting better

The worst part is that Charlie doesn't even realize she's doing it

She wrote that script, which called out Angels flaws and labeled them as bad. She kept mentioning Angels lack of effort but never actually tried to find a way to get through to him nor did she try to figure out why he isn't trying.

I understand that she didn't know about Val yet, but at the same time she didn't seem to think about how there could have been more Angel than previously thought

And I know the scene with Sir Pentious could be played off as him saying it on his own accord because he didn't have a script, but that doesn't seem to be the case

I thought it was a good episode and added layers to the story but I felt it needed to be said how much development was going to made by the characters in order to make everything work out for them

@roguelemon, I saw a somewhat similar post of yours and would love your opinion on the scene

THERES A NEW GREEN DAY ALBUM?? AND NOBODY TOLD ME???? I HAD TO FIND OUT THROUGH SPOTIFY NOTIFICATIONS.

I mean, this is what I get for never paying attention to band lore to the point where i know the names of maybe 3 frontmen? BUT STILL :<.

As much as I appreciate the "Adam is a demon now" and will almost certainly be reading fic about it, I really hope they don't add it into the show.

He was the season 1 villain, the miniboss, an introduction into what they are up against.

I feel like as they show progresses they should dive into a more serious tone, especially with the antagonists. This is why I think Lute is such a good choice because she's a motivated, serious antagonist that still fits in a comedy show.

Adam's time is over. Adding him back as an antagonist would take time away from the new main ones and while giving him a redemption arc, while VERY cool for fanfics and "Charlie redeems the first man/ fixes original sin" is great, it wouldn't fit in well with where he was at when he died. There was still no respect for Charlie, the hotel or redemption at all, he was a whiny, pathetic asshole and while that made him funny, it doesn't make for a good focal point to bring back after being put to rest.

No hate to anyone who likes this theory, I do too! But I think bringing Adam back as a minor plot point would undermine his actions in season 1 and bringing him back as a major plot point just isn't sensible when there are SO MANY other dominos left to fall.

I'm sure we all love how happy Emily is in this scene.

But is that look on Sera shock at the fact that redemption is possible? Confusion as to how, why of all times to be during an extermination? Or is it disgust at herself for not considering it properly before allowing the extermination to happen in the first place. They've been going on for thousands of years, the anger and pain of all those souls behind her eyes at the man standing before her. The blood on her hands, not just of the demons but also the exterminators finally showing through as not a necessary evil, but a choice.

Sera in S2 is probably one of the individual character plots that I'm most exited about because holy shit.