You Are Aware That One Of The Biggest Points Of The League And Shigaraki Was The Fact That The Heroes

You are aware that one of the biggest points of the League and Shigaraki was the fact that the heroes are hypocrites right?

Multiple times they were called out on doing the exact same thing the villains do, but getting away with crimes because they are labled differently.

That was Stains point, that was Shigarakis point, that was Spinners point.

Midoriya was supposed to be better than them and now he isn't. He was told my so many to just kill Shigaraki, but he wanted to do better and save him but still ended up killing him.

Spinner joined the League for Stain, someone who saw how currupt the heroes were and only believed in two- All Might and Deku. Spinner saved Midoriya from Magne back at camp because Stain said Midorya was a true hero, a person who does the right thing for the right reason.

Unlike the heroes who have killed, robbed, hurt, raped or only became heroes for money and fame Stain believed Midoriya to be a true hero.

And now Spinner is sitting there having survived Shigaraki because Midoriya who was supposed to be better than those heroes murdered him.

The League knows what they are doing is illegal, Spinner knows they are going against the law, that was never the point. The point was that the heroes were doing the exact same thing but getting away with it.

Of course he's pissed. He saved a kid once because the hero killed belived said kid to be a true hero, a truly good person and now that kid murdered his best friend and turned out to be just like everyone else.

Real wild of Spinner to call Izuku a "murderer" when the first person he idolized was nicknamed Hero Killer.

This is bnhas true ending. Or at least it would have been better than what we got.

Also still works surprisingly well with Shigarakis last words and all.

@sethmacenzie

I wanted to keep it brief, but then I felt like it was too simple and I ended up going overboard anyway.

Spinner, writing

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The first time Spinner picks up the pen, his hand becomes too heavy the moment he sets it down on the surface of the table. The white of the paper in front of him blurs and blurs with the surroundings until he has to shut his eyes to clear his vision. In his mind, he immediately sees Shigaraki.

The pen snaps in his grip.

The doctors have to sedate him.

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The second time Spinner picks up the pen, he tries to write Shigaraki's name. When he can't, he instead writes 'League of Villains.'

Now what?

"The League of Villains was..."

Was...

—the only place he felt he could belong.

Spinner's own words. He said them, once. He said them, to—Toga, who was about to run off, to find one of those Hero trainees. Because—Twice had died, Twice had been killed by Hawks, the second of them to die, after Magne, and—

Spinner throws the pen away. He drags himself over to his bed and buries his head in his pillow, biting hard into the cloth and cotton. He keeps perfectly silent, even as his eyes and heart and everything else that is him screams.

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Some days, he resents Shigaraki. For not coming back for him, them, the League. For failing to beat that stupid fucking kid. For telling that kid to give Spinner those last words. Without them, Spinner could've stayed empty.

But Shigaraki's words are inside of him now, and Spinner cannot throw them away. They roll through his mind, always, day and night, echoing in that low, raspy voice of Shigaraki's, and though they always end up making wrong turns, crashing into the walls Spinner has tried put up to keep himself upright and moving, Spinner lets them stay. They are agony, and they destroy him. They are so very much Shigaraki's, and there is nothing Spinner treasures more.

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He hits a stride when he decides to write as if he's writing letters.

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Shigaraki—

I got your message.

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Shigaraki—

Kinda mean of you to not say anything to Mister, or Dabi, or Toga. They'd be so disappointed.

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Shigaraki—

The food here is terrible. Remember when you won us sushi? And yakiniku? I never had anything so expensive in my life. It was thanks to you.

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Shigaraki—

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry I didn't do anything when All For One said you were you, but I knew you weren't, not completely. I'm sorry I didn't try to get answers, and just listened to whatever he said. I'm sorry I didn't help you, I'm sorry I just let you scream you were in pain and it was so obvious so obvious that something was wrong and I didn't help. I should've questioned him more I should've demanded he stop whatever he was doing to you I should've

you were hurting you took that surgery for our sake I said I was acting for your sake too but I wasn't I should've helped you for real. You were our leader you saved us you saved me and I should've saved you too.

Sorry sorry I'm so sorry.

I can't ever make it up to you and I'm sorry.

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The worst part, Spinner realizes, is that Shigaraki would forgive him.

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It felt like we were being set up for a "You Can Be A Hero" from Deku to Shigaraki, since that's what little Tenko wanted 15 years ago, right? For someone to tell him he can be a Hero, despite his father and family discouraging him? Deku to pay forward what All Might said to him, Shigaraki to finally get the words he wanted.

Except that never happens. And I feel like that's because Shigaraki already figured that out on his own. He decided for himself he wants to be a Hero for the Villains. He's been their Hero all along, ever since he formed the League. He saved Twice by giving him a place to belong, he helped Toga by letting her be herself; he gave his League those months of friendship and hope, when they had none before. It's as Spinner said - Shigaraki Tomura was their Hero, already.

In Chapter 418, Deku canceled out Shigaraki/Tenko's hatred and guilt and sadness, gave him relief, but never said anything else. (He doesn't say anything in Chapter 423 to a dying Shigaraki either.) The relief gave Shigaraki clarity, but only that - and it was clarity for something he already knew, deep down. "Even if you stamp out my hatred, even if I wind up hollow..." Shigaraki did not need Deku's approval or validation for his heart's desire: to be a hero, even if it's not the type of hero the most of the rest of the world wants.

(Not that Deku would've given him those words, I think. I feel like Deku would not have thought Shigaraki could be a Hero or tell him that. He's too unforgiving towards Shigaraki for being a Villain, even after entering his mind. He didn't know/understand Shigaraki well enough for that either, until after Shigaraki died. Not until Deku met with Spinner.)

Shigaraki was the League's Hero, wanted to be a Hero for the outcasts and broken. And he realized that and fought to do so all on his own.

In 3 chapters?

I like your optimism, but I simply can't share it with so little panels and so many lose ends left.

I will say I generally like that Midoriya isn't denying that he killed Shigaraki, it really seemed like it in the previous chapters.

That being said: bnha is a tragedy and nothing will ever change in society is not the ending I was expecting, let alone hoping for.

Especially since the framing, artwork, conversations, translation and fan-response seems to be really ignoring it.

And that is while bhha 427 literally sais that things won't change.

That's just sad.

In the bonus book given out for the 4th MHA movie, there's a Q&A section, and one of the questions pertains to Shigaraki!

Q: What kind of video games does Shigaraki play?

Horikoshi: He used to be into PvP but if he was taunted or got frustrated with teammates, he would break the monitor. So AFO suggested he play a different type of game. He seems to enjoy simulation games now.

from this thread!