(Still On Anon I'm Sorry To Be Shy Still Qwq) Do You Get The Feeling That Maybe In Saving Sayaka, Kyoko

(Still on anon I'm sorry to be shy still qwq) Do you get the feeling that maybe in saving Sayaka, Kyoko looked for closure for her own pains? If she could save her, it would be easy to pretend she also saved herself in a way, if that makes sense. I always had the feeling she needed to help her due how similar their situations are, she would hate to see her own story unfold before her own eyes again, she sees too much of herself in Sayaka and, she became the person that would had helped her younger self in a time of need. But Kyoko can't turn time like Homura can, nor be young again, Sayaka is the closest match. In turn, this is the mix of selfish/selfless Sayaka also posseses that ties them together further.

Oh absolutely!

I think part of Kyoko's "obsession" with Sayaka and saving Sayaka has a lot to do with her own past and wishing someone would have saved her. I think you described it all really well, but yeah, there's definitely a lot going on in Kyoko's head in relation to Sayaka.

Completely agree! I saw a few clips of Site, and it was enough to tick me off. I'm happy you shouted out some good shows, and "Magical Girl Raising Project" is another good dark magical girl show (if you haven't already heard of it)!

Shortly after Madoka Magica released (to great success), everyone started trying to make the next big "magical girl misery" anime. I think the reason those ones didn't really take off is because they missed the point of Madoka: the love of others and self-sacrifice is center stage, and we only really feel bad for the characters of Madoka Magica because we see them happy.

Madoka Magica isn't just a misery fest; Mami's death matters because we understand Mami's dreams and struggles, Sayaka becoming Oktavia is impactful because we see her downfall that isn't her fault (or anyone's for that matter). Madoka (and to a secondary extent, Homura) never give up hope or trying.

Madoka isn't constantly victimised and abused (unlike some over-the-top edgy magical girl animes I know) she's in tragic circumstances and still tries her best; still WANTS the best for the world around her.

Making something sad isn't about how much we see a character suffer and struggle; it's about making the struggles and suffering they go through impactful through their story. Wants, relationships, traits, and flaws... That's what makes a character's pain painful for an audience.

My favourite part of Nagisa's sidestory is when Nagisa, Yuu, and Inui had a lovely tea party with Nagisa's homemade cheesecake and emotional support for Inui to break up with her shitty boyfriend and emotional support for Nagisa dealing with her shitty mom's death and nothing bad happened!

Thank you for the additions!

I haven't heard of any of these shows (minus "Revue Starlight" sounding pretty familiar) so thank you for the recommendations!

Absolutely not all post-Madoka dark magical girl animes are bad (and some not even trying to bounce off the success of PMMM), but "Magical Girl Site" in particular inspired this rant lol.

Shortly after Madoka Magica released (to great success), everyone started trying to make the next big "magical girl misery" anime. I think the reason those ones didn't really take off is because they missed the point of Madoka: the love of others and self-sacrifice is center stage, and we only really feel bad for the characters of Madoka Magica because we see them happy.

Madoka Magica isn't just a misery fest; Mami's death matters because we understand Mami's dreams and struggles, Sayaka becoming Oktavia is impactful because we see her downfall that isn't her fault (or anyone's for that matter). Madoka (and to a secondary extent, Homura) never give up hope or trying.

Madoka isn't constantly victimised and abused (unlike some over-the-top edgy magical girl animes I know) she's in tragic circumstances and still tries her best; still WANTS the best for the world around her.

Making something sad isn't about how much we see a character suffer and struggle; it's about making the struggles and suffering they go through impactful through their story. Wants, relationships, traits, and flaws... That's what makes a character's pain painful for an audience.

Feeling motivated and cheerful today, I think I'll work on some PMMM/MagiaRecord OCs.

I think I've been able to enjoy PMMM more now that I'm interacting with other fandom members. It's fun to share theories, go on back and forth rants, and look at pretty art.