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Honestly think i needed this clarification. While I do know the difference, I am learning some stuff here, and understanding the hermit fandom here and a little bit anywhere else a bit better?? I don't really interact with the community of any fandoms much but this definitely helps since I'm a DSMP fan who's migrated to Hermitcraft and such. I don't think it ever really hit me that c! and cc! don't necessarily mean anything to the content creators themselves and that there isn't actually a difference to them since in a way they are just playing minecraft normally with friends, while the Dream SMP is semi-scripted with their own canon (c!) characters. It's like one of those things you don't really notice until someone points it out to you.

I've been kinda trying to get more into the community though so really glad this appeared on my dashboard, since any other instance of a fandom I've been in, I don't actually do anything with the community, and I'm just kinda there until I get sweeped away by another fandom, and the cycle repeats.

Kinda a little dumb though in my opinion when they went against Cleo, who is a hermit?? Who the non-shippers were like hanging onto every word to like add to probably a whole doc bullet-point list of everything anyone has said? I mean I'd like to think the ones who really did care and were worrying about if the CCs were not comfortable with this understood when Cleo said that-? I mean I wasn't there so I can't really say anything, but I think the non-shippers were kinda just pushing their own believes that 'nO! THiS isNT RIGHT' and eventually getting blinded by that fact to where they did the thing to even a CC who has to do with the boundaries, or at least a part of it.

It makes me feel kinda glad I've been able to avoid all of the topic sides of the fandom (and being able to avoid any harrassment from anyone), but I also haven't posted or written of anything that might be boundary breaking..? Anything I might've was over either a fictional character from a video game, a book series [with a ship that's either almost happened or is technically canon], and that was it, and now I've kinda joined the fanfic writers of the whole thing about RPF and Non-RPF [is there a word for that?] thing and the whole shipping situation (which honestly I haven't actually seen anything?) but in the Hermitcraft and Dream SMP fandoms (there are others but it either branches off of one of the fandoms, or is smaller and kinda dead)

I've just been probably lucky enough for any possibly shippy mcyt fics to be in a non-explicit way, and therefore the non-shippers and the shippers can think of it as either as a ship, or not as a ship? or maybe I've just been lucky with the people that find my content, idk

though hopefully nothing will happen? i dont wanna jinx any of us though but like..

Hermitcraft to me has always had a much more relaxed vibe, and I'd like to think the fans reflect that vibe as well while having energetic moments and stuff. In that way, I've seen much more fluff then I have angst. (honestly the discourse that happened then doesnt necessary match this, but not all fans match the vibe of a show. There are probably hardcore hermit fans though somewhere.)

Dream SMP though is a lot more tenser at times while there are some funny bits, the roleplay there gets really dark sometimes, and I think some of the fans are a little hardcore? I think fans of any fandom tend to adopt some of the qualities of it overall. In this way, I have seen more angst then I have fluff- kinda. It's an odd mix, but I think there are more dead doves, where people delve more into the disturbing bits of the SMP.

I think though, that the Dream SMP has a pretty big fandom [it had a big popularity boost. for hermitcraft though im not sure], and therefore the toxic non-shippers have a harder time trying to do anything and therefore eventually stop at one point maybe? i dunno. maybe its a 'out of sight, out of mind' scenario

but for the hermits, I think it might be a little more personalized?? you dont need to watch everyones pov to get a grasp of every single persons story that then leads into anothers story in the dream smp to be able to understand the entire storyline. You can just watch a hermit of your choice. I think in that way that a lot of them tend to stick to a single creators fandom, like Grian's for example with Evo and the third life series and then just his hermitcraft series from his POV, where I think a lot of people kinda just interact with Grian watchers instead of branching out and actually going into the hermitcraft fandom and interacting with other hermit watchers.

This way, while I think the fandom might be a little close-knit, that things might get a little out of hand when they actually go and branch out to see what the fandoms up to and come across shipping content which I think almost everyone is told is just wrong, and while that is correct (< you shouldnt act out without knowing if the creator is okay or not okay with it), I think just has people going against each other due to their beliefs, like religious beliefs for example, that having sex before marriage is a sin or something (I'm an atheist, so I apologize if I get anything wrong- I think its in Christianity though... Well for some people?-) which gets to really heated debates when questioning really if something is right or wrong, which then leads to the backlash given to Cleo when her thoughts conflicted with a persons belief.

This is all just theory and speculation though. It sucks that what happened then happened, but the least we can do is prove that we've changed? That we can actually handle this now and that we understand that if we don't like shipping, just don't look at it? Don't interact, don't send death threats and all of that??

If a CC ever does decide to interact with us again (I think Bdubs has been in like Hermit twitter and I think maybe tumblr too..??? I dont know) we should try to show that we can manage and won't give such an uproar against their opinions regardless if they go against our own or not.

if something does happen though, I'll be a safe spot- Anything discourse related will most likely be me asking what's happening?. I won't really talk about triggering topics unless I put a warning and therefore you know what you're getting into. I'll just kinda be sticking to my occasional fic recommendations, my own fanfics, headcanons, thoughts, and all the like if you kinda need to fill your dashboard with non-discourse related stuff.

thank you for reading this lol-?? go give the original some love tho

hi vaguely serious messy post about hermitblr and new members and just. letting everyone know that we’ve had history with cc interaction on here before that i think would be useful for people to learn about

Trafficblr/Hermitblr has seen a lot of growth lately, largely in part from people migrating over here from the DSMP side of MCYTblr. This in of itself is completely fine! New people jumping onto the bus with us are always welcome, and the growth of the community as a whole is really nice to see.

However, I have noticed a lot of these newer blogs sharing the same very specific behaviours, and if possible, I’d like to just make a few things about the community and our history clear. Because this isn’t DSMP, and the CCs here handle content creation and their own fanbases very differently to them.

While I’m not going to go in-depth on 2019 since I don’t have nearly as much information about it as other people do, I would like to say that back then, Hermitblr was kind of an active war zone. It was comparable to how Hermittwt is now, with infighting about shipping and similar topics being the norm (however in Hermitblr’s case many of these argument were far more personal due to the smaller fandom size). What I want to point out specifically however, is when one of the CCs, Cleo, was thrown into the community infighting. I don’t remember the specifics of it, but she was sent an ask asking about shipping, and her opinions on it, and eventually dealt with so much backlash that she was forced to leave the site entirely (this post here has a slightly more comprehensive summary, if need be).

I’m just a little concerned, because there seems to have been a slight increase in that demographic of people recently. Specifically, members of the community who want to rely on CCs to dictate what happens in fan spaces; for them to give us bullet point lists of what their exact boundaries are for every single situation.

This rarely ends well. As in, it almost always just causes infighting and hostility. There will always be people making content that will “break boundaries”, regardless of any creator’s wishes. However, this is usually mitigated by the fact that many of these CCs aren’t on Tumblr (at least not anymore….mostly). The problem arises when members of the community attempt to act as Heroes Of Justice, and go out of their way to send asks to other blogs, informing them exactly of how they’ve broken the boundaries of some 40 year old adult. This is all despite the fact that said adult will….never see whatever post went against their wishes. It just encourages policing and this weird superiority….thing, where despite the lack of content creators, people are still fighting to make sure that the site is clean from any possibly upsetting posts.

I say this all while also acknowledging that many of the creators in this sphere also don’t have a very comprehensive understanding of how fandom interacts with their “characters”. To them, “shipping” has always been RPF, and there are so many other aspects of the community that simply can’t be explained easily, as they haven’t been immersed in this culture like we have. This is to say that asking for “boundaries” is likely to get you a very confused and unhelpful answer, as the Hermits have always had a very different way of interacting and viewing their fanbase than the DSMP creators do. There is no “c!” or “cc!” to them, to put it simply.

Essentially, the Hermits are adults. They’ve been doing content creation for years, and I can guarantee you they’ve seen worse things in their lives than art of their Minecraft character kissing another Minecraft character. They’ve dealt with this shit before, and if they wanted it to stop, they’re free to make a post about it whenever want. And yet, they haven’t. They leave fandom up to us. Boundaries and rules and infighting and just…all of that? Let’s leave it to the Twitter users, please. Post what you want, make sure to tag your posts correctly, and we’ll all be fine. 

Also, while I’m going to try not to rehash any discourse about inviting CCs to Tumblr, I also do just want to implore you guys to consider that the environment on Hermittwt is partially the way it is because of the active presence of the Hermits there, with people flocking for attention or a single notice, and obsessively checking posts to make sure they’re not potentially “boundary-breaking” and such. Please just consider that many people are here to avoid the dynamics of that site. Tumblr is a site for fans, not for the CCs. So we create content here for ourselves, and not for them. Having creators join almost always leads to the culture of their fanbase on here changing, with content posted in the maintags being catered more towards them rather than the fanbase. (This isn’t to say that they can’t join!! But at least keeping in mind why many of us are here in the first place and weighing that against potential CC interactions would mean a lot).

I fear that my point may have been lost a little bit, but I hope my explanation at least brings a little bit of light to why many members of the community here are wary of Creators coming over to the site, and also of how many newer blogs tend to treat the CCs. Hermitblr has had some really bad history in the past when it comes to this stuff, and seeing newer fans bring over similar ideas from DSMPblr just worries me a little bit.

TL:DR - Just…please treat the Hermits like the adults they are, and keep in mind they have a very different dynamic with their fanbases to the DSMP creators. Asking for “boundaries” and granting CCs control of the fanbase will likely lead you nowhere; attempting to police fanspaces here just brings up bad memories of times when Hermitblr was a much more miserable place to be in. Plus, if you want CC interactions, please just go to twitter. Nobody here wants to deal with an attempted “cleanse” of the site to make it more palatable to CCs.