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What the actual f??!! Why´s giving Ancient Aliens??? Like what????.
I apologize in advance for my grammar, use of slang and innacuracies, feel free to criticize and educated me, I´m just a man.
First you´re telling that he is from the sorry what date 7500-5000 BC, woah my man is Meso-Neolithical?.
I´m not a history expert, but didn´t Homer and the ones before him, said it take place in Mycanean Greece (it´s a new term and something the wouldn´t have called themselves, heck greecks called themselves Helenes, so yeah..), also Troy having been found and not been mythical, like how a "greek" ship with a plethora of man, don´t notice passing through Gibraltar or the Pillars of Hercules, pasing Gadir or the lake that used to be the Guadalquivir´s delta, noting the climate change around Portugal´s coastline and the strenght of the westerlies and currents patterns, like they are sesoned men of the sea or atleast they would knowing the time the stayed at sea; also the Baltic used to freeze along the shores in some parts????, why THAT isn´t mentioned in the Odyssey?? It´s a central part of navegation having free ice water and deep ports.
You could rebuttal that maybe it was localized for the audience, but Troy´s existance, the conspicous absence of ice, of northern food, nor tactics nor contact with people of the region, like it would have described atleast a clear distinction in people´s appearence and coustoms opposite to that of Eastern and Levant societies. Seems so fishy but as stated up I´m not an history expert nor I have a deep knowledge of baltic societies nor seafaring techniques, only I can skim the surface, so if a kind a soul has the sufficient time to correct me feel free as I´M NOT AN EXPERT nor is my normal comfort zone (ancient mediterranean world, spanish biogeography, coustoms, etc.. botany and recreational sailing and ocean realms and a little more...).
I want to unalive myself so badly, like the staments are shitty in the least and down bad lies.
I will dissect it to the best of my abilities:
Ulysses would have frozen to death at Troy. Our hero’s host, Eumaeus the swineherd, hears the story and gets the hint: He loans Ulysses a cloak, because again, the night is freezing cold.
First we use the Roman name of Odysseus: Ulysses, great start :D
Second, in the Mediterranean temperatures can be absolutuly chilly, DANAS or cold drops around autumm (mostly), can and will make it snow and drop tempetures to the 5ºC or less in the coast, also if we attend to the supposed placement of Ithaca in the Ionian sea, it snows in the mountains peaks of Cephalonia, (Κεφαλονιά) that is in the middle of the sea.
Troy in the other hand is in Anatolia, looking it up in Wikipedia (I know is not the best source but is what is it) January minimum temperatures stays around 9 to 5 ºC, (Chilly nights for sure).Having a Csa (Temperate hot summer dry climate =mediterranean) doesn´t mean winters can´t be chilly. Here where I live I bordered a desertic climate with terrible summers with highs normally around 36ºC, and a little bit more inland it snows all years, and I´m in south Spain a little bit more south than Greece and Turkey which have milder climates than I.
numerous climate anomalies in Homer’s works, for example cool, foggy weather and snow dusting the shields of the warriors
I have said this before, it can snow in winter, not common but not unheard of. Also we're refering to a time global temperatures where colder and wetter, there are sites that were built to conserve ice in places where it rarelly snows now, like "neveros" in Spain scattered around the Mediterranean arc
various geographic discrepancies, such as references to the “wide Hellespont,” which would fit better with the broad Gulf of Finland
I don´t get the comparassion, the Hellespont ( The sea of Helle) was crucial in the Illiad, it´s located right after Troy, connecting it with the sea of Marmara and with the Exinus Pontus or as we call it the Black sea.
several topographic correspondences — for example, Troy could be the southern Finnish town of Toijala, Chios the Estonian island of Hiiumaa, and Pylene the northern German town of Plön.
Don´t know how similar they are or if they have something that could be related to them, like all those cities are basically minor, except Troy, but Mykene, Pylos and the ones before have there real part
reports of fighting at night, which would be possible thanks to long summer days in northern latitudes
Hello!!, here we have that two also, have you not heard of full moon nights?, like you can see almost everything and with torches the merrier. Also our nights around June´s solstice are like 9 hours?.
the boats in the Odyssey having two prows so they can be pointed in either direction, just like typical Viking longships
I´m not getting myself to deep with this one , because i don´t know ancient seafering to that degree.
From these fragments, Vinci extrapolates a grand narrative, which goes something like this: During the Holocene Climate Optimum, from roughly 7500 to 5500 BC, northern Europe was much warmer than it is now, generated rich harvests, and hosted a vibrant, proto-Greek Bronze Age civilization.
Greek culture stems from the Indo-european and native Acheans, second the Bronze age spans from 3300 BC to 1200 BC. Mykeanean Greece spanning the period from approximately 1750 to 1050 BC, timelines don´t mixed at all with information provided. Also it doesn´t alligned at all with migration patters nor genetical information.
Climate-wise was at least 6ºC warmer in winter than it is today so not that much, also at page 14 is a graph with samples from the Scandinavian peninsula of that era, and temperatures where still kind of chilly
When the climate cooled, that civilization migrated south, to Greece. This would be the so-called Dorian invasion, with newcomers from the north taking over from the pre-classical inhabitants of Greece. Those Dorians brought from the north their culture, including northern original place names that were recycled for use in the eastern Mediterranean, as well as the orally transmitted epics that would be refashioned into the Iliad and Odyssey.
Oh God, please not this, the Dorian invasion is an hypothetical that was created to explain the radical change of culture of the greek world between Bronze age and Archaic periods, 1050-700 BC, The Climatic Optimmum ended in 5500 BC. These "dorians" would be ancient in comparison to Cycladics, Minoans and Mykeneans.
If that’s true, the Trojan War was a Nordic conflict and the Odyssey was a Baltic adventure. Vinci obliges, by matching key places in the epic stories to locations in northern Europe. As the map shows, the “ringing plains of Troy” would have been situated in southern Finland.
Troy (Illium) has been found in modern day Turkey, the plains could be the stratums, because Troy is super ancient
And it’s not just that starting point of the Odyssey that is outlandish; the other stops along the way are equally strange. Vinci identifies the location of the Greek city of Thebes with that of the Swedish capital of Stockholm. Hellas — the classical name for Greece — is in Estonia, while northern Poland is Egypt (and the location of the Egyptian city of Thebes).
Illustrious Athens once stood where the southern Swedish town of Karlskrona now rears its roofs: charming and baroque, but definitely less grand and much more recent. Copenhagen is Mycenae, while Ogygia, the island where the nymph Calpyso held Ulysses captive for seven years, is one of the Faroe Islands.
How you assign Baltic regions to Greek regions that are real, traceble and having well funded history, to places that mostly started to get big and change from villages around AC, LIKE WHAT THE HELL?
Yeah an island with eternal spring in the north, better tell me he ended up in Tenerife and was ordering mojo picón,hahaha. But being serious, if it was stated to be above the freezing line and was quite cold and damp even summer, I could buy it, but no. The idea of Claypso island being the Faroes is baffling, they started to be inhabited by the 500 AC if we are being early.
Vinci spins a fantastic tale, but does any of it hold water? There is very little archaeological evidence of a highly developed Bronze Age civilization in the Baltic region during the time that would fit his story. And the evidence he presents is cherry-picked, often ignoring clues to the contrary. In the words of one critic, Vinci “uses faint indicators to draw enormous conclusions, and hides or is blind to contradicting evidence,” in the manner of many popular books about UFOs, mermaids, or Atlantis.
Even the article says it could not be real, and the evidence showned it´s so vague, like why don´t you acknowledge that in advance!!!???? He does not use "faint indicators", he does not even get the chronological order to be even remotely plausible.
The article then lists a bunch of authors and one of them cites Cádiz as Ithaca, Cambridge as Troy and another the Azores island as Ithaca,
The Azores island where unhibited before 100 BC OR 0 AC
https://web.archive.org/web/20110514153752/http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/monumentos-funerarios-descobertos-nos-acores.
As this has come to a close, my rage has been extinguished, now the bed awaits for me, my fingers and eyes tire.
These have been the two most infuriating hours of 2024.
Thanks so much for reading it and hope you enjoyed my rumble :D
It has been a pleasure
Aaron of Ithaca
Insanity. Pure delusion.
They love putting him through situations even after death. He just can't get any rest can he
Cedric The Sorcerer's age debate; 22 or 37?
This is an old debate in the fandom in regards of Cedric's age. I'm not really sure why is this such a big thing, but it is... I have some theories I'll be leaving for later in the post.
We have two different points of view: Cedric being around 21-25 or being 30-40.
Cedric is 21-25 years old theory:
The arguments used to defend this opinion are in this specific YouTube video:
My theories about why his age might got confusing for a part of the fandom:
Imagine you're watching a show for a long time and since the beginning you always saw a certain character in a certain way (in this case, having a certain age), and the creators of the show confirm without warning that your view was wrong the whole time, specially if the show left that info so ambiguous and open for interpretation for such a long time. It's frustrating and you might find it confusing and think it makes no sense, but in Cedric's case, the show never really implied the fact of him being in his 20s.
There is also that other group of people who saw Cedric as young as a way to justify his innapropriate shipp with Sofia. When the fans of this shipp discovered that he was 40 they denied it to themselves. I found some posts here on Tumblr about this some time ago that I'll add later in the post. That's one of them: (credits of two of Craig Gerber's tweets screenshots that I added to the post)
Edit: and you know what's funny? The YouTube channel that made this video is called "Cedfia Enthusiast". How ironic.
Cedric is 37-41 years old semi-canon:
We have three different semi-canon sources of this information: Craig Gerber's twitter, the STF pitch bible and Disney Junior instagram account.
Why are they semi-canon? Because all of them are directly related to Disney Junior but doesn't count as canon, and I'll explain why.
Craig Gerber's Tweets:
This last screenshot was found by @shychick-52
I like how he choose the words "probably closer" because he's not saying that this information is exact.
Why it's semi-canon: Craig Gerber usually told a lot of stuff to STF fans on twitter, and some of the info he shared was later denied in the show (probably due to the fact that the writers were still deciding if it would be in the show or not but in the end they decided that it wouldn't... still, it's coming from the main writer of STF).
Sofia The First Pitch Bible:
You can find the whole STF Pitch Bible in these two posts: part 1 and part 2
The Sofia The First pitch bible is a document with the "sketch" of the show, inclusing characters, appearances, plot, places, that stuff, including the ages, and a lot of info got changed from this document since the show was still being created and it was in constant change; for example, Cedric's parents had other names and they were supposed to be dead, but in the show they're called Winifred and Goodwyn and they're very alive. So the ages mentioned in that document are also not exactly canon, but directly made by people involved in the show to organize stuff, so it is related to canon in a way. It's extra content? For sure.
Disney Junior Instagram post:
This is the link to the post in case you want to see it.
The Disney Junior instagram page made a meme base for the followers to add their ages, names, favorite Disney character, and share with them via Instagram. The Disney Junior account itself tried with their characters as an example, including Cedric, and they said that his age is 41. But even though it was made by the Disney Junior Instagram account, the account is only responsible for making posts to promote the shows, the info they share is not considered canon, and Cedric's profile wasn't even correct because it said he would like to be a "magician" (he is a sorcerer) and his favorite Disney character was "Dr Facilier", when clearly it was always Merlin (he is a huge fan of Merlin in the show itself).
Arguments used to defend this info:
Sofia is said to get older as the show goes on, which means that four years have passed. I'm not sure if this information is canon or not (since her being 16 during STF: RM is not confirmed) but it's mentioned in different sources, and reinforced by Disney Junior's Instagram account (semi-canon)
The first season starts with Sofia being 8 and Cedric being 37. In the last season, she would be 11 and he would be 41, which makes the argument that he is 41 years old viable because Disney JR is referring to his age at the end of the show.
Cedric and Roland's age is close to one another: Cedric and Roland were children at the same time in the show, and Roland is the father of two 12 year old children. For Roland to have two 12 year old children and be Cedric's age at the same time (I'm talking about the supposed 22 year old age), he would need to have children before he even got to his 20s (or even 15), which does not make sense at all, specially in a toddler's show. In fact, Roland was a full adult when Queen Lorelei got pregnant and died after giving birth.
It's more likely that Cedric is around 37-41 since this information is coming from three different semi-canon sources, like the meme says: "If I had a nickel for every time [Cedric is said to be 37-41 yo], I'd have [three] nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened [three times]" (Dr. Doofenshmirtz)
The show doesn't give concrete arguments for Cedric being in his 20s, in fact the information the show gives about his age is open to interpretation, it also welcomes the idea of him being 37-41 as it doesn't go against that thought either. Even though it's not canon, if there was a scoreboard, it would be written "20s- 0 | 37/41- 3"
Thank you for reading the post, I'll add more stuff if I need to.