I Remember Something That Somebody Mentioned To Me Here, Which Was When I Was Questioning The Whole "senti-Adrien"

I remember something that somebody mentioned to me here, which was when I was questioning the whole "senti-Adrien" thing, and why Emilie and Gabriel never considered IVF or adoption. After all, Emilie was toted as an angel, so pretty sure biological connection shouldn't matter.

What they told me was that there wasn't much to Emilie anyway. Sure, she was represented as kind, but there was next to nothing else besides that. She was practically a blank slate, so unfortunately, there was nothing to contradict her.

Which, in a show that also toted family love as one of its strongest values, is sad when the LITERAL DRIVING POINT to the whole story has next to nothing going for her.

Wondering about how much of Adrien is real seems to be the tip of the "Astruc didn't think things through" iceberg. How much of any senti-person is genuine? Does Tomoe only think Kagami can't draw because she cannot? Is Felix an ass because Colt Fathom was?

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I'm always wary of laying all of the blame at any one person's feet without hard evidence that this is only their fault since there's a core writing team and pretty much every episode has multiple credited writers. Add in the fact that many other people are also directly and indirectly involved in the writing process and it becomes real hard to point fingers from the outside, which is why I tend to generally wave at the whole crew under the banner of "writers". Other than that issue, I agree with you. It seems like everyone involved either didn't think the idea through very well or they thought it was a kids show, so the horrifying implications didn't matter.

I never know what a kid will pick up on and Miraculous' target demographic is pretty young, so this may indeed be something that flies over most kids heads. It's still not a risk that I would take, though, and I'm baffled as to why they even did it.

This isn't supposed to be a super dark show, so you generally want to avoid including dark elements unless they're absolutely vital because why risk upsetting your audience when you don't need to? And the writers really didn't need to. They went the "Emilie had no idea that the peacock would kill her" route and, once you go that route, you don't need to give her a complex motivation for using the peacock. Complexity is only required if she knew that using it would kill her. And even if they did go the "she knew" route, they still picked a terrible motivation! If your infertility is effecting you so badly that you're willing to die to get a baby, then you don't need a magic baby. You need mental health support because you are in a very dark place.

Needing more screentime to flesh out supporting characters and their arcs and not getting it, while claiming it happened—Chloe *cough* "damnation arc" *cough*—seems to be a common theme in this show.....

*Lucille Bluth voice* I don care for Zoe.

Look, I'm that dumb salty fan that simply can't get over her fave character being sacked. But is sooo anoying that not only the bee hero was replaced, also the cute girl, the creative girl, the gay girl, the actress girl, the rich girl, the shy girl, the etc girl... all by the same character. And Thomas was all like omg you cant wait to meet her shes so like the coolest omg you see her already? Didnt told ya she was thE cooLest?? OMG

Zoe is not the swiss knife that TA thinks she is, otherwise she would have her own show, but that would be starting from zero and I guess is easier having long lost sisters out of the blue or whatever.

I'm sorry for the vent Mr. Iota. What do I know anyway, I'm not the creator of the show that is more famous than pokemon.

At the very least, Zoe should have been introduced earlier to better establish her as a character so she isn't just seen as Queen Bee's replacement. A lot of the traits the show gives her could work in the right context, but she doesn't get enough screentime to really flesh out things like her past with bullying or her growing feelings for Marinette.

Imma make these one day

not a dream

you know those vases with crocheted flowers in them?

i just think they're sooooooooooo neat

It just really makes me mad, seeing how Chloé and Adrien's relationship devolved. The idea that one of the protagonists was childhood friends with one of the antagonists—note, antagonist, not villain—was such an interesting one, because I'd never seen something like that before.

In most TV shows, the petty bully character was just someone to stir the pot and to oppose the main cast, and any friends they did have were just patsies. But knowing that Adrien and Chloé had that established relationship was something I wanted to see.

If only they'd explored their relationship more. Besides learning more about their pasts, it also would've given us a look-see into how their upbringings impacted them and how their relationship came to be. I would've loved to see them have things about their friendship that made it unique, like shared secrets between them.

Plus, from a Chloé-damnation arc perspective, it would've also put some more emphasis on her downfall, because the show would've shown us the difference between the Chloé Adrien knew and the Chloé that hit the ground face-first. I also feel like it would've been a good gut-wrenching moment to really hit home just how low Chloé fell, because we would've seen her go from the friend Adrien knew to a seething hateful villain.

If Thomas Astruc really wanted that damnation arc, then he could've weaponized hers and Adrien's childhood relationship to deliver a truly painful emotional downfall, because then Adrien would've had to face the reality that the person he knew was well and truly gone.

Wasted potential aside, I never really understood the Derision episode in Season 5, where Adrien confronts Chloé for "traumatizing" Marinette and demands an apology. Chloé broke off their friendship in Banana Queen—SHE told Adrien they weren't friends anymore. So what was even the point of having Adrien tell Chloé "You're awful, you traumatized my girlfriend, apologize to her"? So Adrien can have the last word or something? You'd think he'd know better than to believe she'd actually apologize just because he said so.

When it comes to people being against Chloe getting a redemption arc one of their excuses is that Marinette/ladybug helping Chloe is bad because "it teaches kids that they should help their bullies regardless". But when was it ever said that Marinette had to be the one to help Chloe. Adrien is right there! Have him be the one to help Chloe. It'd even be a perfect excuse to give him more screentime too!

It's weird because the earlier episodes that set up the idea of Chloe turning a new leaf showed Adrien taking the most pity on her and pretty much told Marinette and Ladybug that they should trust her more (Antibug, Malediktator).

The show even set up the idea of Adrien and Chloe's friendship being tested through Adrien actually calling her out, but after a single episode ended with him giving up on actively trying to help her change, it pretty much stopped (Despair Bear). the show did nothing with their friendship in Season 3, retconned it so Chloe only saw Adrien as arm candy in Season 4, and finally had him end their friendship in Season 5 after her bullying indirectly affected him thanks to his girlfriend being traumatized by her.

In short, the show was seemingly going in the direction you suggested, anon, but then stopped halfway through Season 2 for no real reason.

This reminds me of a zombie dream I had as a kid. Long story short, I was hiding terrified in a table, thinking to myself, "I wish this was all a dream"; then I realized it was a dream, and I shut my eyes tight to force myself awake. I woke up on the couch with my mom asleep in the armchair next to me, and I was so freaked out that I made sure to check if she was a zombie.

These days, I can actually lucid-dream a bit. I'd realize I was in a dream, and I could feel completely at ease knowing I could take control at any time; and sometimes, I'd even be able to restart or rewind my dream to either do something different or repeat something I like.

I sunk into really, really deep snow and couldn't climb back up to the surface and then after a few seconds went, "Wait, I know how to get out of this one," and instantly woke up.

I love it ♡

It's really cute!