Literally Makes No Sense. How Could LADYBUG Convince FELIX To Trust Humans. I Heard That Felix Learned

Literally makes no sense. How could LADYBUG convince FELIX to trust humans. I heard that Felix learned of Ladybug's identity: Marinette, a happy girl who had no struggles in her life growing up (Derision don't count nor is it enough) and had a great support system. AS IF he'd listen to her!

And if he DIDN'T know Ladybug's identity, that would be even worse. It basically makes her a stranger who has been getting in his way.

"oH, BuT sHe HeLpEd HiM!" BS. Their partnership would be tenuous at most, brittle at best.

If anything, the ones who would've had even a CENTIMETER of convincing Felix would be Adrien and Kagami, because:

1. They can relate to him as senti-kids who were dealt a bad hand.

2. The 2 have a relationship/history with him, so their words would have more weight.

Hell, even CHLOE would have a better shot than Marinette! At least SHE knows him and knows what it's like to be dealt a horrible hand.

Apparently someone asked Astruc why is Felix in the team at the end of Season 5, and Astruc responded that is because Ladybug made him trust humans now. Any thoughts?

Mostly just total confusion. When and how did Ladybug make him trust humans? This is up there with Lila learning Gabriel's secret by reading Nathalie's lips in the season four final. Just an absolutely wild statement that no one is going to get from the actual text. I honestly thought Felix changed sides because of Kagami.

I mean, Thomas Astruc admitted it himself that Adrien was made FOR Marinette, and that he was like a prize at the end of a race, so....

The thing with Miraculous Ladybug is that it doesn't even play with classic fairytale tropes in any meaningful way other than 'Oh, the girl's the knight, while the prince is the one who needs saving from their evil parental figure,' which isn't bad on its own, but it does leave much to be desired if they're trying to say something in regards to those tropes.

Honestly, the best version I can think of in terms of a similar setup is this anime called 'Revolutionary Girl Utena' since that anime points out how harmful the objectification and abuse toward the princess, Anthy, really are, which is something they flat-out refuse to show with Adrien whose in a similar princess role. In fact, he's actually treated worse than fairy tale princesses since at least they're allowed some agency in their own stories and are the heroes or at least main characters when truly analyzed. Meanwhile, Adrien's prevented from having any amount of agency or desires of his own until he becomes nothing more than the prize for Marinette and is not even allowed the decency of being able to think about his father the way he wants, and as to content himself with thinking of horribly controlling and neglectful father as a hero who saved Paris.

I swear, one of these days, I might make an analysis comparing the fairy tale allusions in this show to Go! Princess Precure because that show actually put thought into making the main character's arc parallel the adventures of her favorite book's main character. It's also an anime that portrays princess as being capable of kicking ass and taking names instead of being damsels in distress.

Also, keep in mind that a child clueless of something will do it to figure it out. It's not like they need to learn the SPECIFIC details, just enough that's age-appropriate.

Hell, in the Netherlands, kids as young as FOUR YEARS OLD learn about sex ed, and that's just about relationships, intimacy, and APPROPRIATE TOUCHING.

saw someone say "an 11-year-old isn't even supposed to know what sex is and if you do something horrible must be happening to you and you need to get out of there" like can we be for real for a moment. have some people honest to god never heard 11-year-olds making sex jokes in their life

I DESPISE ads like these. Not only are they awful and annoying, but they don't even show the gameplay! And I've played Project Makeover, so I know it's not like THAT.

In my experience, the ads that get my attention more are the ones that look like a trailer or show actual gameplay. Not this "woe is me" BS and "you can do better"

memes to redraw, but they’re all from the weird Project Makeover ads 💀

Not sure if this is an unfair comparison, but how was Gravity Falls able to conclude their story in 2 SEASONS

Yet MLB has almost 6 SEASONS and we're STILL not even halfway there?!!?!!?!??!?

I figured it might've been like that, but it's still frustrating nonetheless. It doesn't feel fair to Luka and Kagami at all, to have just been a means to an end like that. They could've been real meaningful characters that helped add substance to their characters and relationships.

I think Lukanette and Adrigami happened around a time that Ladybug and Cat Noir were having issues in their partnership, so it would've been good to use Kagami and Luka as a way to gain perspective and help shape their emotions towards each other.

Since S3 was tension time between the two leads, the obstacle ships could've been what helped them gain perspective. The two weren't on the same wavelength anymore, and because of the strain of their superhero partnership, they ended up finding comfort in people in their civilian lives, i.e Luka and Kagami.

From a writing perspective, exploring their feelings in relationships with other people would give a bigger pay-off for the future Adrienette ship, since they would've been able to mature and understand what they needed from each other.

Luka was a calming presence to Marinette that helped her from the helter-skelter life of a superhero, and slowly, she could've started thinking less and less of Adrien romantically. Because of that, it made Marinette realize that while she'd had a crazy crush on Adrien, Luka gave her something that made her feel safe and comforted, especially when she was dealing with some heavy issues with Cat Noir.

Same with Adrien. He was lonely and frustrated from the constant rejection, and ended up gelling with Kagami, who could relate to the loneliness and feeling like an outsider. It would've been technically trauma-bonding, but they wouldn't know that. Regardless, Adrien felt supported and was able to find comfort in knowing Kagami was there for him, despite the Ladybug issue.

Their interactions with their relationships would've also given us a good look on how these two would function in a relationship, how they balanced love and priorities, and also their weaknesses in maintaining not just friendships, ordinary life, and superhero life, but also romances. It might even give us a whole new perspective on how their love lives also impact their partnerships.

And of course, the pairs would have to break up eventually, but the breakups would be significant too.

Luka and Marinette broke up because Marinette had too many secrets and she couldn't hold onto both that and Luka, so cue bandaid rip. She could've realized the sacrifices she had to make to be a superhero, and therefore, couldn't bear the thought of another relationship later on while Hawkmoth was active. (I think this thought process was in the show, so hooray?)

Adrien and Kagami's breakup was a little less understanding, but it could've impacted the future as well. Since Kagami felt like she couldn't trust Adrien due to all his secrets, maybe Adrien blamed himself for being unable to balance it all, and it could shape him into thinking maybe it was his fault for thinking he could do it.

Either way, these would've had a significant impact on Adrienette and Ladynoir that made their relationship even more meaningful. And at least Kagami and Luka weren't treated as used pieces of tissue.

It just felt so unfair, that they'd get together at the end of S3, only to break up in episodes 1 and 2 in S4, when these could've been used to add depth to their characters and relationship.

I was just thinking about the thing with Lukanette and Adrigami, and I was wondering: what made Luka and Kagami like Adrien and Marinette anyway?

Luka and Marinette have next to nothing in common, as far as I know, and even though you don't always need common hobbies to date, what did either have going for them that they were even attracted to each other? Especially when Marinette was obsessed with Adrien.

And Kagami.... I don't know. She gets akumatized in one episode, and then the next she has a crush on him? It's the same question, what really did Kagami or Adrien have going for them that they even started dating in the first place? Trauma? Especially since Adrien was apparently in love with Ladybug.

Maybe I'm just missing some things, but as far as I saw, neither couples had anything to even INDICATE they would start dating, besides proximity, I guess. I mean, Kagami and Adrien sounded more trauma-bonded ngl

As far as I can tell, the writers said, "we need more padding, let's make a non-threatening love triangle" and the crushes came to be. There's not really anything in canon to make these couples feel meaningful and that's on purpose. You're not supposed to ship Lukanette or Adrigami. They are just obstacles for the love square.

I like Luka and Kagami, but I never viewed them as true love interest who were designed around Marinette and Adrien. It was glaringly obvious that they weren't real competition. That's why their relationships with the leads are just a cheap cliffhanger to make people tune in to season four. You weren't supposed to think that these relationships had a chance. It was supposed to make you ask, "but how will the love square get together now???"

I will say that it's super annoying that Kagami and Marinette get to fight over Adrien while Luka and Adrien never get anything like that. I get that it's just a factor of which sides the crushes are on, but I am so tired of women fighting over men in media aimed at women! The entire draw of the love square is that it's all the fun of a love triangle without any of the awkward "who wins?" issues and the writers went and ruined that by adding love triangles on top of the square. Why???? Come up with better padding! Please!