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Does It Ring Any Bells?

Does it… ring any bells?


He’s the one who catches up everything D&D related:







+ he sings “Never Ending Story” which is also the title of the book.





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More Posts from Conflictofthemind
Remember when the show said "well, it doesn't make sense that Mike says he's straight" through Jonathan Byers

Someone noticed (here) that March 29, Billy's birthday, is also the day the Cali crew is back in Hawkins.

So, I'm thinking. We see the name Billy as Max is reading the letter, but the name William when she is in the Vecna vision. That could just mean different timelines, or maybe it's also a hint that the theory that Will is in a Vecna vision at the end of S4 is correct (here)
Maybe on March 29 Vecna goes into William's mind and what he sees from the moment he touches his neck is a vision (everything else is real) The end credit song, Spellbound, is definitely an interesting choice...

I would love it if S4 starts with a flashback of El in the lab, and ends with Will in a vision. Also, we know that S5 starts with a UD flashback, so:
4x01 -> lab flashback -> then El's letter, in which she lies about her life in Lenora
5x01 -> UD flashback -> then a vision, which is also a lie?

What would Vecna show Will? Maybe the day at Rink-o-mania. But I think this would be different from El's letter. This time we would see the truth, twisted by Vecna, like the truth about Max wishing her brother to die. Maybe Vecna would tell Will that he is jealous, and that the reason he didn't help El is that, deep down, he wants her to suffer.
Well, Will is jealous, but that's normal. It doesn't mean that he's cruel or doesn't love his sister. We see that in the van scene and in 4x09.

And how could Vecna show Will that he is jealous and wants to hurt his sister? Maybe by making him be the one who throws the milkshake on her dress.
Remember the BTS photo of Noah at Rink-o-mania in his 4x09 outfit? The boy behind him and Millie is the actor who plays Jake, or his double. Jake is the one who throws the milkshake on El's dress. Jake has a bowl cut and kinda resembles Will.


So, maybe Noah was wearing his 4x09 here because this is the vision scene, and this time he's the one who humiliates El.
I could be wrong, but I think this would be a very interesting parallel with the beginning of S4. And a way to make Will more vulnerable
@chirpsythismorning @shippingfangirl013
“No Longer Will”
After his experience in the Upside Down, Will is no longer completely Will.
In season two, Mr. Clarke gives a lesson on Phineus Gage who, after a freak accident where a pole went through his brain, became known as “No Longer Gage.” The focus is on Will during this scene.


(I should mention that the camera rack focuses to Max during this scene. What that implies for Max I’m not sure. Possible foreshadowing of being taken by Vecna and becoming “No Longer Max?”)
This is used as a metaphor for how Will’s life forever changed once he came back. His trauma transformed him. He can never go back to the Will he was before.
Will continues to be associated with imagery of rods splitting him in half.


But this is also a show that often explores mental illness and trauma through the lens of the supernatural, so I have a hunch that there might be a more literal interpretation than just that.
We learn from season four that with everyone Vecna kills, he takes everything from them. He keeps their souls in his mind.


This is why El can’t find Max in her mind. Because she momentarily died, her soul is in Vecna’s mind.
Will also died in the Upside Down. And Vecna killed him.

BUT he was brought back to life.
But so was Max, and yet her entire soul is gone while Will’s still seems to be intact.
UNLESS, Will’s entire soul actually is not there, only half of it is. He is “No Longer Will.”
(Maybe this only works with psychic deaths, BUT Vecna did kill him using the hivemind that he is psychically linked to)
We know that Vecna and Will have some sort of connection, but is isn’t made totally clear what exactly that connection is. Pieces of the Mind Flayer still stuck inside Will? Perhaps. But maybe this is the reason why, kinda like a reverse Horcrux. It’s not Vecna who has attached a part of himself to Will, but Will who has a part of him attached to Vecna. Maybe whenever he senses Vecna nearby, he is actually sensing that bit of him thats stuck inside?
Maybe this is his NINA, maybe this part of him has his memories of the Upside Down. Maybe this part of him remembers something else that Will does not. Maybe this part of him possesses power that Will currently does not have.
Maybe this is what his coming of age is about, finding that part of him that was lost in the Upside Down so that he can become whole.

