Age Is A Huge Factor As Well. There's N Indication In The Survey Breakdown Of The Spread. It Says The

Age is a huge factor as well. There's n indication in the survey breakdown of the spread. It says the ages were 16-74 but that could mean there were 999 ppl in their 70s and one 16 year old that answered. Obviously the younger generations have had more societal freedom to explore these concepts enough to even consider applying any non-traditional labels.

Again, data is a tool that requires some knowledge to apply. Just grabbing any random statistic and stating that the results are representative does not help your cause. There could very well be some data that supports anons conclusion but it definitely wasn't that one.

If 3% of 100 people in Korea are lgbt, in a group of 7 people, how many of them might be lgbt?

3%×7=0.03×7=0.21

So about 0.21 people in the group might be lgbt. It's likely that 0 people in the group would be lgbt. Proportion says no member of BTS is lgbt, probably!

Ay bo, now you're turning to maths for what? To prove that Jikook isn’t real or can’t be real? Mate, all you’ve got to do is say you don’t think they’re a couple and move on! Get on with your lives and let us be happy! Honestly, que flojera con ustedes.

...and here we go with the anons. I'm not posting any of you, but I am going to say this one more time. Please tell me where in my previous posts I was actually trying to convince anyone what any of the member's sexualties may be.

I'll paste the relevant bit but my specific point is that when you engage in shipping discourse along the lines of '____ member doing ____ action can ONLY be because their attraction is ____', that's when erasure happens. No matter what behavior and sexuality you're discussing.

Specifically I'd like to talk but ace-aro erasure. Now, before any of you jump on me, I AM NOT SAYING THAT I THINK ANY OF THE MEMBERS ARE ASPEC. I just want to remind you that when you make sweeping statements like 'you only have to look at them to know', you are implicitly stating that anyone who chooses to partake in similar actions could ONLY be doin so because of an attraction.

And thus lies the erasure of all aspecs. Statements like these prescribe what actions we are allowed to take or not take. I realize all identities exist on a spectrum but the ace-aro spectrums are so vast, there can be very little in common between two individuals that utilize these labels. I know I personally will affinities for differing sub-lables nearly day-to-day. So umbrella statements in general set me on edge but any that draw conclusions about someone's sexuality based solely on an outside perspective of their actions? Nope, I can't vibe with that.

This conversation is not limited to the BTS fandom and frankly applies to the entirety of society but alas, it's all too typical in ace-aro spaces.

I also find it interesting that all of you include links to Twitter posts as well. I'd invite you to stand on the strength of your own arguments. Unless you're pointing to an expert in the fields of sexual behaviors and identities or direct quotes from the members themselves, there is absolutely no reason to point to another individual's opinions. I'm not on Twitter for a reason and I'm definitely not going to go look up other ppls opinions if you clearly didn't read what the post you're responding to is stating.

I know we're all excited for the next episode of AYS but I'd just like to remind y'all of what happened the last time we had footage of our members at a hot spring.

Reminded? Okay, be prepared!

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I have an announcement to make! In honour of the one year anniversary of @bts-polls , I'm opening another side blog!

Genuinely don't know how this will go running two daily poll blogs but I've been wanting to do this other one for quite some time now and decided to just see what happens.

Thank you to everyone who has been voting in my silly polls, now let's see how y'all do when there is a correct answer!

It's trivia time!

Time to put your Bangtan knowledge to the test! Who thinks they've got what it takes?

Unlike @bts-polls , the polls here do have a correct answer which will be posted in the reblogs once the poll closes.

There are no prizes and tumblr polls are completely anonymous so there's no benefit to cheating by looking it up before you answer. Challenge yourself to determine the true expanse of your BTS expertise!

I'll rank each poll with my subjective difficulty ranking in the tags. Also I am a mere human so if by chance I do post an incorrect answer, please let me know. I just ask that you also include a link to the source.

Recurring tags: (links to be added as soon as each one has a relevant post launched)

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So this anon is really troubling me but not for the regular jikook-shipper reasons. If you're up for a nuanced discussion, continue through the cut. If you're looking for a stage to battle, I'd recommend passing on by. I'll only engage with good-faith responses.

I want to make something very clear in my teeny little corner of our fandom. We can debate whichever ship is real and which member's are closer to eachother forever. These arguments can get into fairly childish statements of stacking human relationships into a competition but if that's how you want your fandom experience to be, you do you, I guess.

The point I would invite y'all to consider when taking an approach like the above anon is to remember that action does not equal attraction. In other words, just because a person does something, does NOT automatically mean they feel a certain way about it. It could, it very well could. But it's not a given.

I'm particularly sensitive to the viewpoint of people trying to call others homophobic for not seeing an action a certain way. Yes, that is definitely a huge part of society's issues currently but not every misalignment of interpretation equates to homophobia.

Specifically I'd like to talk but ace-aro erasure. Now, before any of you jump on me, I AM NOT SAYING THAT I THINK ANY OF THE MEMBERS ARE ASPEC. I just want to remind you that when you make sweeping statements like 'you only have to look at them to know', you are implicitly stating that anyone who chooses to partake in similar actions could ONLY be doin so because of an attraction.

Never in any of my fandoms before have I struggled so much with feeling pushed out as an aspec than i have once I found kpop. I believe it's largely due to the focus of shipping spaces having this weird honor system of needing to gather evidence and prove that yours is 'the one true ship'. It's putting people in this space where they are treating every piece of content like the old land rushes of early colonization. Instead of settlers racing to establish homesteads, it's shippers racing to build narratives.

And thus lies the erasure of all aspecs. Statements like these prescribe what actions we are allowed to take or not take. I realize all identities exist on a spectrum but the ace-aro spectrums are so vast, there can be very little in common between two individuals that utilize these labels. I know I personally will affinities for differing sub-lables nearly day-to-day. So umbrella statements in general set me on edge but any that draw conclusions about someone's sexuality based solely on an outside perspective of their actions? Nope, I can't vibe with that.

I don't have a conclusion to this post other than to invite y'all to remember that even here on tumblr, in our relatively open corner of the internet, there is some work to be done to be inclusive.

For any of you that are interested in discussing more about the viewpoints of aspecs in kpop spaces, I invite you to check out @aspec-kpop .

You casting doubt or saying they could have had other relationships is not the flex you think it is. In all seriousness that is highly unlikely given their consistent behaviour around each other for years now, at least since 2017, ain’t no way they were dating others. It’s actually quite homophobic what you are insinuating again with the video of Jk, there is not a straight bone most likely in that man’s body. He is all about Jimin, all the time, you only have to watch his habits and lives to see that. There is no room for anyone else. If you can’t see that fine but stop clogging the tag with your homophobic opinions. They also were not on a break, their relationship is private and not for us, or the public. We don’t live under their bed for sure, but you only have to look at them, how they act, how they were, how they spoke about each other, the shared concepts, the travel show, the enlistment. Just know you’re wrong to cast doubt and it’s erasing them and what they are showing is by doing so. It’s not about being rational, it’s literally erasure.

Block me then.

I can’t with these fucking anons picking and choosing when it comes to what I write about.

Me casting doubt is wrong? If my opinion is casting doubt on you, then I would question how easily influenced you are.

You say that we don’t know about their private lives and yet, are 100% convinced he’s been in a long-term romantic relationship with jm.

‘There is no room for anyone else’, ‘ain’t no way they were dating others’. Sure, and you know this cause you’re such a bystander who isn’t privy to their private lives?

I was there in 2017. I was there when gcf dropped. I love them beyond anything so to insinuate that I’m being homophobic towards them is so fucking disrespectful. All because I said that they might not be dating. Get a grip.

Y'all know how much I love a poll! If any of you happen to have not seen Storm's poll, please vote to get a better sample size.

Hi, I really like your blog and found no better place to rant.

Before I start, I hope to clarify a couple of points to set a clear context:

1. I'm a baby army.

2. I'm an Asian.

3. I am straight. (Don't get me wrong, my personal belief is that love has no gender)

I ran into Taekook videos when I first discovered BTS with zero to no idea about shipping culture. The fact that TKrs claimed their relationship to be real seemed ridiculous to me. I genuinely thought that people were forcing their weird fantasies on two men who have a good friendship. So I moved away from TKr or 'shipper' content and started to watch BTS as a whole with absolutely no idea that parallel ships had a fandom. That's when I came across GCF in Saipan. That freaking video!!!! There was no way I could turn away from looking at JK and JM differently. The song, the editing and just how ethereal JM looked or smiled irrespective of his weird antics and spontaneous shots seemed pure, full of trust and openness. That's how I discovered Jikook and it has been 2 months now.

This also brought me to another discovery, Heterosexism. I work at a corporate company and had a casual discussion with my colleagues regarding an awareness training about eliminating bias and I was surprised at the reaction for a topic surrounding homosexuals. The media here romanticises that homosexuality is accepted, with a few articles on recent homosexual relationships and weddings. But on a deeper scale, the citizens are still homophobic. I was told off for showing support to the pride community, to the extent where I was asked if I was a homosexual.

Finally getting to my question, I have noticed that a lot of jikook supporters are homosexuals. What about people who are not part of the pride community? Is there a good number of people who are straight but not homophobic? Is there a safe space for us to show our support without being judged for it?

True Allyship is appreciated at most pride events and with most queer people. If you are talking about within the Jikook spaces, I do think a large portion of Jikookers are queer is some sense, but a lot of them are straight too. And as long as you aren't talking over queer voices or making a queer safe space no longer safe, I think it's fine for you to be involved.

I'm pretty sure I've got a fairly large following of straight people here anyway too. But let's do another poll and see. These are always lower engagement than the amount of followers I actually have, but it gets a sample size at least. Lol polls are totally anonymous too, in case anyone was worried.

Last time I did this, there was confusion for my aro/ace friends. Y'all are the A in LGBTQIA+. You count as queer, my loves 💜

If you aren't an ally, you don't get an option and you can unfollow 😂

I've got my issues with fake support and Allyship from shippers, but that's a separate discussion and I do think that there are a lot of people who are true and good allies here.