Would You Mind Sharing A Little Bit More On Why You Think That Scene Would've Been Detrimental To Neytiri's

Would you mind sharing a little bit more on why you think that scene would've been detrimental to Neytiri's character and framed her as less sympathetic than Quaritch? Because I actually feel the opposite, and I think the scene would've done more for her character rather than taken away from it.

I'm gonna repeat something I've already posted on this topic:

"I wish they had kept it in any way and not shied away from making their female mc do a bad thing. Having characters do bad things and make mistakes is how you create characters arcs that bring conflict and depth to the characters. Jake wouldn't be the character that he is if he didn't have to learn his lesson about lying to the omaticaya in A1 and trying to run away from his problems in A2. As much as I like neytiri, she is a pretty static character. We never see her grow or change or realize something. The closest we got to that was her forgiving jake in A1, but that conflict revolved more around her status as jake's love interest than her as a character. I would LOVE to see neytiri get some actual complexity and showing that she is willing to stoop to quaritch's level would've done that!"

This scene made me feel for her even more because it shows just how far all her losses have pushed her that she's willing to hurt an innocent party to get back at the people who've caused her so much pain. Having a character do a bad thing under bad circumstances doesn't mean they're bad or that the writers think they're bad (or that the writers think indigenous peoples are bad). It makes them realistic because EVERYBODY does bad things sometimes. I think anyone would've been tempted to do what she almost did after losing their son. Neytiri so far has been a pretty flawless character who's main character moments are coming to rescue Jake or her children. She deserves to have the same amount of flaws and complexities as the other characters get, and this scene would've been the first step to giving her those flaws and complexities.

The scene reminded me a lot of the episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender "The Southern Raiders" where Katara tracks down the man who murdered her mom for revenge. Just like Neytiri, Katara is an indigenous person who has lost so much because of colonizers, and she goes to harm someone, not out of self-defense, but purely for revenge. And just like Neytiri, Katara doesn't go through with it in the end. That episode was an amazing insight into Katara's character, she's normally the moral compass of the group so seeing her pushed to point where she wanted to kill someone and then pull herself back from it was super interesting to see.

Anyways, those are all my thoughts on why I actually think that scene would've been good for Neytiri's character. I'd love to hear more about your point of view and why you think it wasn't good! (I also totally agree that "Parents From Hell" is not canon)

omgg please tell me that you’ve seen the extended atwow extended cuts?? they’re phenomenal and canon and i can’t be told otherwise.

The Parents from hell one had me on the edge of my seat I was so scared even though I know the outcome, well now we know that Neytiri was definitely going to kill, not even to bargain for Kiri but for revenge and that’s just ughhh i can’t wait to incorporate this in my fanfic

I gotta say, I do fundamentally disagree, at least about the parents one. It's not so much of a deleted scene as a full rewrite of the scene. If Neytiri's goal was to kill Spider and take revenge over saving Kiri, why did they do with the version where she lets him go immediately? I don't know, man, to me it seems like they filmed that and then decided it didn't work with the character or for what they had planned. It definitely makes sense to me that they chose not to go with that version. Even the name, "The Parents From Hell," it makes it seem like it's a dark alternate universe.

But yes, scenes that were missing and not included I am all for thinking of as canon! But this is a full rewrite. It's not canon, because it's not what happened in the final version. I think the reason they chose to change it is more telling than the fact that it was filmed in the first place.

But of course, I am mad it exists. I wish they never released it. I don't like what they seem to think of Neytiri's character. I don't like the framing of her as less sympathetic than Quartich (even though a lot of idiots still took it that way which is still on the writing team as well), but I'm glad they understood they had to change the scene. I'm trying to withhold judgement until I see the full arc they intend for her, but as of now I'm not very pleased. She should be the heart of this series if it is to stay it's course as a true love letter to indigenous communities and what has happened to them. I hope they don't forget that.

The fake avatar 3 trailers are killing me 😭😭😭

Why does she have a human hand??? Wtf is she wearing???

Oh yeah just make the characters that are an obvious allegory for native americans red, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that

Is that the same gotdayum baby??? Where do these people keep finding the image of this creepy ass baby 😭

Not Lo'ak being the villain

"FORCED TO MAKE THEM WHITE" holy clickbait batman!

I'll say it again,

THEY SHOULD'VE KEPT THE SCENE IN!

Not just because it makes Spider's choice to save Quaritch make a lot more sense, but also because of the opportunity to give Neytiri some depth and character development! Everyone has suffered, but she has lost SO MUCH, and Neteyam put her to a breaking point. Neytiri was really pushed to the side by the narrative and she's never really gotten to have a moment of character development, all her character actions revolve around forgiving Jake, arguing with Jake and proving him wrong for Jake's character development, or backing Jake up in battle. She never gets to make a decision that's all her.

JAMES CAMERON PLEASE LET NEYTIRI HAVE SOME DEPTH! Showing her grappling with her grief and fighting the desire to sink to Quaritch's level would be so much more interesting than just reducing her to the mom character who's kept in the backseat until they need to have some badass scenes of her saving the children!

The extended standoff scene is insane. You can see how Neytiri, ridden by grief, sees Quaritch’s weak spot and makes an impulsive decision to hit. She terrified even her own family, who begged her to step down, and certainly scared Quaritch, who went with the diplomatic approach for once and defended Spider by claiming that Neytiri’s fight is with him and not the kid.

I was furious at first, but now I see that Neytiri’s intention wasn’t to get rid of Spider. Spider was barely a person to her in that moment.

He was a tool for revenge.

For the first time ever, Neytiri had the upper hand over an enemy who seemed to be inpenetrable, invincible, because he had nothing to loose. Yet now, he all of a sudden steps down from his homocidal tendencies for one boy? The opportunity was almost too seductive.

She lost her son and it felt agonising, so she wanted to plummet Quaritch into the same pit by killing the child HE loves. She didn’t just want Miles dead, she needed him to experience the same devastation as her.

Ha ha I would love to, but I'm gonna wait until I get to a stopping point with Blood Is Thicker Than Water!!

What is your New Fic Eywa Blessing,Eywa Curse about?

I'm so glad you asked!

Eywa's Blessing, Eywa's Curse would be inspired by those leaked scripts and concept arts that show Spider breathing the Pandoran air and getting a kuru, and it would focus a lot on his relationship with Quaritch but in a much more positive way than Blood Is Thicker Than Water.

I don't have the plot all hammered out yet, cause I'm not gonna start working on it until I get to a stopping point with BITTW, but the basic plot would be that Spider's mask gets broken in a conflict with the RDA and Kiri somehow saves his life by mutating him. Unfortunately, Spider is captured by the RDA, who are very interested to figure out how Spider is breathing the Pandoran air and if they can replicate this in other humans. Ardmore orders Spider to be handed over to the sci-ops folks and gives them free reign to do whatever they want to Spider in order to figure out what happened to him. Quaritch is forced to choose between staying loyal to the RDA and potentially ensuring a future for humanity on Pandora, or being a good father and saving Spider from the sci-ops experimentation.

That's why I'm also so annoyed they removed the scenes of Neytiri failing to ride an ilu and instead choosing to adapt her ikran riding skills to hunting fish instead. The fact that she's the only one who didn't learn "the way of water" shows a lot about her character, how she's stubborn and resistant to change, but can also adapt in her own way! Neytiri spent the whole movie stuck as either crying because something bad happened, scolding the kids, or rescuing the kids. She deserves to have her own character arc!! And it sucks so much that they laid the groundwork for two different arcs, 1. failing to learn the way of water and adapting differently and 2. being pushed to hurt an innocent person and grappling with her desire for revenge vs her big heart and moral compass, but then end up cutting them both out!

Out of all the characters, Neytiri is definitely the one who got pushed to the side the most, which sucks because she's literally the face of the franchise.

omgg please tell me that you’ve seen the extended atwow extended cuts?? they’re phenomenal and canon and i can’t be told otherwise.

The Parents from hell one had me on the edge of my seat I was so scared even though I know the outcome, well now we know that Neytiri was definitely going to kill, not even to bargain for Kiri but for revenge and that’s just ughhh i can’t wait to incorporate this in my fanfic

I gotta say, I do fundamentally disagree, at least about the parents one. It's not so much of a deleted scene as a full rewrite of the scene. If Neytiri's goal was to kill Spider and take revenge over saving Kiri, why did they do with the version where she lets him go immediately? I don't know, man, to me it seems like they filmed that and then decided it didn't work with the character or for what they had planned. It definitely makes sense to me that they chose not to go with that version. Even the name, "The Parents From Hell," it makes it seem like it's a dark alternate universe.

But yes, scenes that were missing and not included I am all for thinking of as canon! But this is a full rewrite. It's not canon, because it's not what happened in the final version. I think the reason they chose to change it is more telling than the fact that it was filmed in the first place.

But of course, I am mad it exists. I wish they never released it. I don't like what they seem to think of Neytiri's character. I don't like the framing of her as less sympathetic than Quartich (even though a lot of idiots still took it that way which is still on the writing team as well), but I'm glad they understood they had to change the scene. I'm trying to withhold judgement until I see the full arc they intend for her, but as of now I'm not very pleased. She should be the heart of this series if it is to stay it's course as a true love letter to indigenous communities and what has happened to them. I hope they don't forget that.

OMG GUYSSSS YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS! SHE WAS NOT BLUFFING I REPEAT SHE WAS NOT BLUFFING!

Skip to 5:50 for the deleted scene

Holy shiiieeeet no wonder spider saved Quaritch after this scene, why did they not keep this in? It was so intense!! I was on the edge of my seat!

Jake and Kiri's shock as they try to talk her down and then Quaritch hiding his panic and trying to turn neytiri's anger back towards him, and then just the wild grief and anger in her eyes, and then spider staying completely frozen because he doesn't want to set her off... it's so cinematic!!

Seriously, THEY SHOULD'VE KEPT THIS IN!!! It would've fit Neytiri's grief/rage and Spider's desire to save Quaritch SO MUCH BETTER!!

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