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I'd like to see Spider join the Ash na'vi ranks at some point, so I came up with something. What if Spider admits to saving Quaritch? Somehow Jake manages to stop Neytiri from murdering him, but everyone is very distant from him (except Kiri). Ash na'vi start attacking with the help of RDA, they are very dangerous and deadly and Jake is helpless, he knows that in a normal fight they don't stand a chance. Then Neytiri says that they can attack the enemy from the inside, and since Quaritch clearly cares about Spider, he might as well join him as a spy. Jake and the others immediately oppose but Spider thinks that it would be a good way to redeem himself so he sneaks out to carry out the plan. It was mentioned somewhere that Ash na'vi consists of outcasts, right? So Spider finds them and announces that he was thrown out of the forest and asks to be accepted into their ranks, with Quaritch's help he manages to do so.

wow this is such a cool idea! I honestly don't think anything like this would happen in canon, based on the leaks and my own theorizing, I believe that Jake is going to want to keep Spider very close, partially because of the "miracle" that will happen to him and make him a target for the RDA and partially as insurance in case Quaritch attacks again. I also don't know how the ash people would feel about taking in a human, specifically a human so closely affiliated with Toruk Makto.

But this would make a fantastic fanfic! The drama of Spider being behind enemy lines, forced to be in close proximity to Quaritch and inevitably getting attached to him again but still clinging to his loyalty to his friends, getting torn apart, aaaaah the angst!

In my opinion, the one on the left of Varang looks like Lyle and the one in the back with the gun is probably Quaritch

I can see it, but me personally I think they're just Ash Na'vi wielding human weapons. Based on the other stuff we probably will see Quaritch and/or Wainfleet fly with the Ash People at some point. That'll be so freaking cool to see!

Ooh Kukulope is very pretty! It looks like her skirt is made with fur, so maybe the Windtraders get skins from animals that live in cold areas where they would need fur! I can see why people think she might be a Windtrader.

But part of me also hopes she isn't. Kukulope appears to be have all the same traits as other forest Na'vi. I was really hoping we'd get to see more biodiversity, and the windtraders would have more distinct physical characteristics to help them survive at high altitude or in a desert homeland!

I wonder if the airships are the work of Ash's na'vi or the good guys. Can't wait for that!

I believe the airships belong to the Windtraders! James Cameron has hinted that we will not just be introduced to the Ash Clan, but also another Na'vi group called the Windtraders. We know literally nothing about them except for that they presumably like wind and trading things. I think giant floating sky ships with plenty of storage space for trading goods must belong to the Windtraders!

A quick PSA to all Avatar fans! Please consider using #spoilers and #avatarspoilers when talking about Avatar 3

Hey fellow Avatar fans, I know we're all super excited about the D23 news and we want to talk about it, but there are some Avatar fans out there who want to go into the movie completely blind. One of my mutuals recently reached out to me and asked if I could mark my posts discussing Avatar 3 as spoilers because they enjoy my content and didn't want to have to unfollow me, but they want to go into Avatar 3 blind and my content was giving them spoilers that they didn't want to see.

So from now on I'm going to tag all my posts that discuss leaks and images from Avatar 3 with #spoilers and #avatarspoilers, so that way people who are not interested in seeing anything about Avatar 3 beforehand can block those tags and avoid that content.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do here, but if you are somebody who posts about Avatar 3, please consider adding a tag to help others have the best movie-going experience with A3!

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Hi! Quick question, do you know if this leak is official? I found it on Tik Tok but I don't think I've seen it before so I wonder if it's not just fan made 😅

yoooo I haven't seen this before! No idea if it's real or not, but it sure looks like a real BTS shot to me. If this is a fake, the creator certainly went through a lot of work just to make the image so blurry you can hardly tell what's happening. You'll have to ask the OP on tiktok where they got it from if you want to confirm anything.

It looks like that Na'vi guy is about to knock the living Eywa out of Varang lmaooooo I wonder who it is

I just need a scene where Spider finds out that Quaritch is dating Varang and realizes that she's actually his stepmother now. That's it, thanks for your attention.

Spider realizing he now has to deal with not one, but TWO insane evil parents

this is more or less me just coming up with things, but maybe the ash people don't really cut off their own huru (assuming varang gets all of hers from enemies and deceased elders and the like), because eywa does come with a few benefits like storing memories for later. there's a practical use. so like, maybe they want to have all the beneficial things that eywa gives, yet not any of the "drawbacks" like the three laws bring like not using metal or wheels?

I agree with you on that.

Youtuber Avatar Theory came up with the idea that Varang's followers purposefully sever their kurus and give them to her as a sign of devotion, and though I love Avatar Theory, I don't think he's got it quite right there. As you said, there's just too many disadvantages to severing a kuru. Even if Varang was on the worst power trip ever, she would still realize warriors without kurus would have a huge disadvantage. Plus, we've seen the D23 image with a whole bunch of Ash People riding their banshee-like mounts, which makes it pretty unlikely they sever their kurus for her.

I believe she severs the kurus of her enemies and of her enemies only, partially as a fear tactic and partially as part of a spiritual belief that she absorbs the strength from her enemies' kurus.

Sketched out a diagram of the Windtrader Sky Ship

I can't wait to see what they look like in action!

If the Ash na'vi are supposed to be allies of the RDA does that mean they would be able to accept humans and treat them as their own, treat them with respect? Or would they allow only recoms? I can't wait to find out!

I'm honestly not sure if the Ash People will be allies to the RDA. We've seen them using human weapons in the D23 art, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to ally with the RDA.

I don't have solid evidence for this theory, I'm just going based off of vibes, but I think this is what will happen:

Jake is going to start rallying the clans just like he did in A1, except this time he's not just getting forest people but also reef people and wind people. The RDA realizes whats happening and start to panic. With most of the recoms dead, they have no soldiers who can safely enter the really wild areas outside of their control, and they don't have the resources to torch everything in their path, so they come up with the idea to try and use Quaritch to convince a clan to join them. This way, they could have more soldiers who can enter Eywa's territory without having to spend the resources of growing them.

Quaritch ends up finding the ash people and he starts trying to build an alliance with them. Varang goes along with this at first, but she definitely has her own ulterior motives in mind. The ash people get access to human weapons and battle tactics from Quaritch, while Quaritch and Wainfleet start dressing like ash na'vi to assimilate and make them trust them more. This is why we see ash na'vi wielding guns and we see Quaritch wearing ash attire.

At some point, the Sully kids and Spider get mixed up in all this. This is where the leak comes in: Spider somehow loses/damages his mask, and Kiri performs the "miracle" on him, allowing him to breathe. Jake and Quaritch have a very temporary alliance for Spider's sake and even though Quaritch wants to take Spider with him, he realizes Spider will be in danger at the RDA so he agrees to let Jake go on the condition he gets Spider to safety.

Despite Jake's best efforts to hide Spider with the reef people, the RDA somehow figures out that Spider can breathe on his own now and they try to capture him alive so they can learn how this happened and replicate it in human soldiers. This puts Quaritch in a position where he is forced to choose between his duty to humanity and being a father to Spider. Somewhere in this, Quaritch also learns that Varang never intended to cooperate with the RDA and was only using them to get weapons and knowledge, and now she's going to betray them.

When everything reaches its boiling point, Quaritch chooses to betray the RDA and save Spider. There's some big battle where between Jake's resistance and Varang's betrayal, the RDA suffers a massive loss and Avatar 3 ends on a positive note since it was written as a possible ending. Quaritch can now never go back to the human side and he's done too much damage to ever work with the resistance, so out of desperation, he joins the Ash Clan, the only people left who will take him. Varang welcomes him with open arms, happy to have a demon with extensive knowledge on human battle tactics on her side. And that's where Avatar 3 would end for Quaritch.

So to answer your question about humans, I feel like Varang and co. would only see the humans as tools to be used by them and discarded once they're no longer useful. I get the vibes that the ash people really value strength and power over all else, and while they might be jealous of the humans' powerful weaponry, they would look down on the humans for their physical weakness. The one exception might be Spider. If Varang and Quaritch become allies or even lovers, I think Varang might tolerate Spider at best purely out of respect for Quaritch.

I've also seen a theory that if Spider ends up growing a kuru, Varang might go after him as a form of trophy hunting because he would be the only human with a kuru in the whole world and that would make him rare and unique, but that would definitely sour any relationship between Varang and Quaritch...

I would like Quaritch and Varang to not have a romantic relationship and instead be more of a pair of villains who complement each other and are unbeatable together but that probably won't happen. But I would like to see a scene where Varang kidnaps the kids, sees Spider and is like: oh, you're that human son of Quaritch that he often mentioned. And everyone has this shock on their face beacuse 1. Q has some connection to those dark na'vi and 2. that he openly calls Spider his son. And then we have the leak scene where Quaritch enters the room and negotiates to place Spider under his care and keep the Sullys as hostages.

I could see it going either way. What I personally think will happen is that Quaritch and Varang will have this sort of romantic tension between each other, but their relationship is too strained by their loyalties to their respective factions that they don't get to act on it. Sort of an enemies-that-could-be-lovers-in-different-circumstances thing.

Ooh I like the scene you described. Quaritch spent all of Avatar 2 refusing to call Spider his son up until the very end, when Spider finally escaped him. That moment when he finally calls out "son" to Spider so desperately and asks him to come with him always hits hard. To show how much he's changed, I would love to hear Quaritch referring to Spider as his son more in Avatar 3, and it would be interesting to see how the other characters react to it!

And yes, I believe that BTS scene is definitely of Quaritch trying to talk Varang into handing Spider over to him.

Who do you think is hugging Spider here?

I've seen this scene in video format before and the Na'vi stunt double swings Spider around when they pick him up it's just so cute! I've seen two theories about where these images came from:

it's a deleted scene from Avatar 2. When Spider finally reunites with the Sully family on the rocks, Kiri is so relieved to see him that she picks him up and swings him. But if this is true, I believe the scene was deleted because it felt a little two joyful with everyone still grieving Neteyam so they changed it to the more bittersweet scene where Kiri puts her hand on Spider's chest and feels his heartbeat. As cute as it would be to see Spider get swung around, I think the change was the right choice. But I'm also not 100% sure this is an A2 scene because if you look closely at the second image, you can see Spider has a braid that extends below his dreadlocks. We never see Spider with that extra long braid in Avatar 2, we've only ever seen him with that hair in BTS images for Avatar 3, which leads me to the second theory about what this image is from:

it's a new scene from Avatar 3. If that's the case we have very little information to go off of, but I notice two things about the images. Firstly, they're standing on what looks like the woven material that makes up the Na'vi marui and walkways, and secondly, that Spider is not wearing a mask. The first thing gives us a hint about the setting and implies they are outdoors, and the second thing gives further evidence that the "miracle" in the leaked script will actually come true. I also think based on the height of the stunt double that the person picking him up is a teenager, so most likely Kiri or Lo'ak. Unfortunately, without further context there's nothing else to say about these images other than that it takes place after Spider's "miracle" and Kiri or Lo'ak are hugging him for some reason.

This concept art has been living in my head rent free

This concept art of Spider with a kuru literally keeps me up some nights wondering what it means. I got so excited over the new D23 concept art that I went looking through some old Avatar stuff I had saved and came across this again, which reignited all the burning questions I have about it.

Concept art typically leads to two outcomes: either it gets scrapped and removed from the plot or it gets refined and is eventually realized within the story. The same is true for this particular piece of concept art. Its existence means it's either:

A) an old idea that they ended up scrapping, or

B) it's an idea they're going with and will eventually be realized in the movies.

The reason I keep myself up at night wondering whether its A or B is because of the context of this concept art. The art was originally shown on a gigantic screen at some big avatar showcase thing in Los Angeles. There's no way showing this was some oversight or mistake. Unlike the script that was shown on accident, this was shown to avatar fans INTENTIONALLY. Which leaves me with the question of why they would show such a shocking concept on purpose?

If option A is right and this is just an old idea they scrapped, why show people? This isn't a minor change (ie switching the Metkayina eye color from yellow to blue/green) that won't really make an impact on the plot. Spider growing a kuru would be a massive change that would radically effect the story. I think I read somewhere that James Cameron at some point wanted the character Trudy to return as a recombinant like Quaritch, but scrapped the idea because the actress, Michelle Rodriguez, didn't want to reprise her role. Could you imagine if before Avatar 2 released, they showed concept art of Trudy as recom, and everyone got all excited to see how that would play out, only for it to be revealed that it was an old scrapped idea and we were never going to see it on screen? That would be such a confusing and disappointing thing to do. This is how I feel about this concept art. If it's never going to happen, why show it at all? Since intentionally showing concept art for an idea they scrapped doesn't make any sense, that makes me wonder if option B is right, but option B doesn't make a lot of sense either.

If option B is right, once again, why show people? That's a MASSIVE spoiler. Showing this image would be like if they showed concept art of Neteyam's funeral before Avatar 2 released, spoiling the major death of the story. It wouldn't make any more sense to spoil a big death than it would to spoil such a radical change like Spider getting a kuru. I'll admit that when I first saw this image, I accepted it at face value and I made this long post theorizing that Spider will get a kuru and that this will somehow be connected to the leaked script where he gets the ability to breathe the Pandoran air, but since then I've rethought my position. It just doesn't make sense to me that they would show it on purpose if they actually do intend to give Spider a kuru in Avatar 3. But at the same time, it also doesn't make sense that they would show a scrapped idea that's so wildly out of the range of what we know is possible in the avatar universe.

Unless there's some secret third option I'm missing, I'm going to keep wondering and wondering whether this image is just a scrapped idea or a real spoiler of what's to come. I guess I'll get my answer when Avatar 3 finally comes out and this idea happens or not, but I'll still wonder why they showed it.

Do you guys think this concept art is depicting a scrapped idea or a spoiler, and why? And does anyone have any idea why they would show this regardless if its a scrap or a spoiler?

After reading everyone's replies to this on tumblr and r/Avatar, I'm sticking with the idea that the Spider growing a kuru theory is going to happen. I've had a lot of people disagree and tell me I'm crazy, but I'm trusting my gut and sticking with the theory.

u/ellestra on reddit pointed out that avatar's creative team isn't really big on hiding spoilers anyway. They pretty much spoiled Quaritch's return and Spider being the son of Quaritch before Avatar 2, and though they made no effort to hide it, the way they marketed the new teen characters heavily implied that Neteyam was going to die. Marvel or other franchises would've bent over backwards to hide things like the return of a villain, a character revealed as the son of a villain, and the death a main character, but Avatar has never relied on shocking twists to hook an audience, and instead rely on its beautiful imagery and fantastical world building. It's entirely possible they just didn't bother to hide this the way they didn't hide the Quaritch's return, Spider's paternity, and Neteyam's death.

Also, @spider-socorro-stan pointed out that even though this was a huge image, it's still possible it was a mistake and not intentional. If you don't look carefully, you could mistake Spider for a Na'vi and assume this is a concept art of the spirit tree from A2. There were many images shown at the event, so it is possible it actually was an oversight.

Whether my theory is right or not, I'm still going to enjoy Avatar 3! I have faith in James Cameron and co. But if my theory is right, I'm gonna have the biggest I TOLD YOU SO! moment lol

This concept art has been living in my head rent free

This concept art of Spider with a kuru literally keeps me up some nights wondering what it means. I got so excited over the new D23 concept art that I went looking through some old Avatar stuff I had saved and came across this again, which reignited all the burning questions I have about it.

Concept art typically leads to two outcomes: either it gets scrapped and removed from the plot or it gets refined and is eventually realized within the story. The same is true for this particular piece of concept art. Its existence means it's either:

A) an old idea that they ended up scrapping, or

B) it's an idea they're going with and will eventually be realized in the movies.

The reason I keep myself up at night wondering whether its A or B is because of the context of this concept art. The art was originally shown on a gigantic screen at some big avatar showcase thing in Los Angeles. There's no way showing this was some oversight or mistake. Unlike the script that was shown on accident, this was shown to avatar fans INTENTIONALLY. Which leaves me with the question of why they would show such a shocking concept on purpose?

If option A is right and this is just an old idea they scrapped, why show people? This isn't a minor change (ie switching the Metkayina eye color from yellow to blue/green) that won't really make an impact on the plot. Spider growing a kuru would be a massive change that would radically effect the story. I think I read somewhere that James Cameron at some point wanted the character Trudy to return as a recombinant like Quaritch, but scrapped the idea because the actress, Michelle Rodriguez, didn't want to reprise her role. Could you imagine if before Avatar 2 released, they showed concept art of Trudy as recom, and everyone got all excited to see how that would play out, only for it to be revealed that it was an old scrapped idea and we were never going to see it on screen? That would be such a confusing and disappointing thing to do. This is how I feel about this concept art. If it's never going to happen, why show it at all? Since intentionally showing concept art for an idea they scrapped doesn't make any sense, that makes me wonder if option B is right, but option B doesn't make a lot of sense either.

If option B is right, once again, why show people? That's a MASSIVE spoiler. Showing this image would be like if they showed concept art of Neteyam's funeral before Avatar 2 released, spoiling the major death of the story. It wouldn't make any more sense to spoil a big death than it would to spoil such a radical change like Spider getting a kuru. I'll admit that when I first saw this image, I accepted it at face value and I made this long post theorizing that Spider will get a kuru and that this will somehow be connected to the leaked script where he gets the ability to breathe the Pandoran air, but since then I've rethought my position. It just doesn't make sense to me that they would show it on purpose if they actually do intend to give Spider a kuru in Avatar 3. But at the same time, it also doesn't make sense that they would show a scrapped idea that's so wildly out of the range of what we know is possible in the avatar universe.

Unless there's some secret third option I'm missing, I'm going to keep wondering and wondering whether this image is just a scrapped idea or a real spoiler of what's to come. I guess I'll get my answer when Avatar 3 finally comes out and this idea happens or not, but I'll still wonder why they showed it.

Do you guys think this concept art is depicting a scrapped idea or a spoiler, and why? And does anyone have any idea why they would show this regardless if its a scrap or a spoiler?

Oh yeah, I heard about that and honestly, I'm a little relieved. One of A2's biggest weaknesses was that it couldn't fully balance all the new and old characters, leaving some of them disproportionately underdeveloped relative to the impact they had on the plot (namely neytiri and spider, and also kiri, neteyam, and recom-quaritch to a lesser extent). We know that in A3 we're getting another major antagonist, Varang, as well as another minor protagonist, Peylak, and it was also confirmed that Selfridge will return. With all these new characters getting introduced on top of the already large cast, I was worried that A2's issues with balancing the ensemble cast would just get even worse in A3, so it's nice to hear that one of the important new characters won't be introduced just yet.

I'm curious to see what kind of character Dr. Mogue will be, but with everything else happening in A3, I don't mind waiting a few more years to get to meet her!

And not to go off on a tangent, but now I'm thinking more about how the ensemble cast screentime division will play out in Avatar 3 with so many characters to focus on, new and old.

Obviously, the remaining members of the Sully family will be important. Personally hope that Jake will take a bit of a backseat. It's nothing against him, its just that he already got the whole first movie as the main character and was second only to Lo'ak in A2, so I'm ready for someone else to get the limelight. Namely Neytiri! She got sidelined so bad in A2 and I want to see her get screentime where she actually has agency and character development and isn't just relegated to the love interest and mother role! James Cameron has also alluded a lot to the characters getting pushed to their limits, experiencing "fiery rage" and then having to deal with the "ashes" of their consequences, and I definitely feel like Neytiri will be in the center of whatever that means. The Parents from Hell scene was just a taste of what we will we see from her.

Lo'ak will be the narrator, so of course he will have a big focus, but since he had SO MUCH screentime in A2, I hope he'll be a bit like Jake in A2, where even though he's the narrator he's not necessarily the main Main Character. If A3 is going to have a Main Character that sticks out from the ensemble, I hope it's Kiri. A2 set up and hinted at a lot going on with her, but ultimately didn't do much. I want to see more of her. But I also accept that it's very possible Lo'ak will continue to get a big focus, which I'm okay with, I just personally found him a bit less compelling than some of the other characters. Since JC confirmed each avatar movie will have a different narrator, I hope it won't be like Lo'ak taking the mantle from Jake and becoming The Main Character, and instead we stick with this new ensemble cast direction, cause there's so many cool characters that I don't want to focus on just one as the main guy.

And Tuk will just be Tuk ha ha, she's still a little kid so i'm sure she'll just do more of what she did in A2, being adorable and sassy and occasionally getting used as a hostage.

Spider is another character I definitely want to see more of! (And I'm not just saying that cause he's my favorite) It's confirmed that he will be very important going forward, specifically as Jake and Quaritch's relationship to each other changes over the course of the series, and that's not even getting into all the leaked stuff about him, which I'm not going to cause I've already talked about it ad nauseum.

And speaking of Spider, Quaritch is yet another character that will need a focus. I don't think he's getting a zuko-style redemption arc or anything, but there's definitely going to be some drastic changes to his character, as well as changes to his relationship with Jake. As JC said, it's not going to be about revenge anymore, so even though they'll never be friends or true allies, something serious is going to happen between them, and I'm sure Spider will be in the middle of it.

As the new antagonist, Varang is going to need to be given time so the audience can get to know her and understand her motivations and the threat she poses. But we also already have Quaritch filling the role of the complex villain who has more sides to him than just being a villain now, so as long as Varang gets enough time to establish her as a good villain, I don't think she needs too much time delving into her character when there are main characters in need of more focus.

Peylak is also a new character who will be introduced to us, but for some reason I get the vibes that he'll be more of a secondary character, like Norm or something, so I don't think they'll spend too much time on him.

And as for the reef clan, I have a feeling that in A3, Tonowari, Ronal, Tsireya, and Aonung will take a backseat. We'll still see them of course, we need to see Ronal's baby and see Tsireya develop her relationship with Lo'ak, but they'll be like Mo'at and Norm in A2, where we see them for a few scenes but they don't really get a focus. Avatar 3 needs to introduce us to two whole new regions and clans, so just how the forest was left behind in A2, I think the reef will be left behind in A3.

I think the other original characters like Mo'at, Norm, Max, and Selfridge, will also have small roles again.

So I guess to sum all my thoughts up in a simpler way, this is how I hope/predict Avatar 3 will focus on all the characters:

The Main Character: Kiri or Lo'ak

Main characters with a focus: Neytiri, Lo'ak or Kiri, Spider, Quaritch

Main characters with less of a focus: Jake, Tuk, Varang

Side characters: Mo'at, Norm, Max, Peylak, Tonowari, Ronal, Tsireya, Aonung, Selfridge, Scoresby, Garvin, Wainfleet

Michelle Yeoh won’t appear in the Avatar franchise until ‘AVATAR 4’

(Source: here)

One of the things I'm most excited to see in Avatar 3 is how the Sullies will learn that Spider saved the life of Quaritch.

Personally, I believe that Spider will tell them himself. I'm just not sure whether he'll confess before or after they learn Quaritch is alive. If he tells them before, I think the Sullies would be a bit more forgiving since they'll have time to process and accept that Quaritch survived, but if he keeps it a secret until after they'll be more likely to react badly since they'll still be struggling with the shock that Quaritch is still out there.

I don't think Quaritch will tell them himself because he'd be afraid of them, specifically Neytiri, reacting badly and possibly hurting Spider. However, I could see a scenario where Quaritch is trying to talk Spider into coming with him and Spider refuses, so then Quaritch tells one of the Sullies how he's still alive in an effort to make Spider feel like the Sullies hate him now and he has no choice but to qo with Quaritch.

There's also a possibility that both Spider and Quaritch will keep their mouths shut and one of the Sullies will guess what he did, but I feel like this one is less likely to happen since the family was so distracted with rescuing each other from drowning that they didn't pay much attention to Spider disappearing for awhile.

But this is all just my two cents on it, I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks!

Idk about this since the source its not really reliable but some fans theorize/said that Norm is actually supposed to have a bigger role in A3 wich makes me suspect that he's getting killed off. If that's the case then probably a more similar role than the one he got in the first film. I was wondering whats your take on this?

It's too early to tell either way, but I definitely could see Norm getting killed off. The Avatar movies don't shy away from killing off characters, and with all the promises of Avatar 3 taking a darker turn, I doubt it will be any different. Since the Sully family just lost Neteyam, I don't think they'll kill off any other main family members, at least not in A3, and I also believe Spider and Tsireya are safe from death since they were set up to have major roles in the sequels. And Quaritch has explicitly been confirmed to survive to Avatar 5 so he's not going anywhere.

So I don't believe we'll have a death in the main cast, but lots of secondary characters could be on the chopping block, like Norm, Tonowari, Aonung, or Wainfleet. If Norm is going to die in A3, I agree with what people have been theorizing, that he'll have a bigger role before he dies so his death will be more impactful. I believe there was an old draft of Avatar 1 where Wainfleet shot his avatar to death, and since Wainfleet is confirmed to be alive in Avatar 3, perhaps they'll revisit that idea and have Wainfleet kill him. Though I don't want Norm to die, if he does I hope he goes out performing a noble sacrifice to protect his friends, just like how Trudy died. At least they'll be reunited again 😭💙

Ok, so about Dr Karina Mogue. I think she will be the RDA scientist who will try to figure out how Spider was changed and how it can be replicated. I think she will be brought to study the results from whatever tests they'll run on him (maybe even the samples they will take) when he is captured by RDA after the miracle. I also think that it will lead her to trying to figure out Eywa - what she is and how she works.

I'm not sure if she will be evil (Michelle Yeoh was so great and clearly had a lot of fun in Star Trek in very Recom Quaritch like role) and try to use this knowledge to destroy Eywa and adapt humans for Pandora so they can replace Na'vi. Or if her work will lead her to change sides and maybe use her knowledge to save Earth instead (I'm rooting for this option).

ooh that's a great theory! With all the strange stuff leaked that will happen to Spider in A3, it makes sense the RDA would want to study it, and if there's gonna be a big focus on it in future movies it also makes sense they'd introduce a new character as the main scientist studying it. I hope she'll join the resistance too, but I bet Yeoh will be able to pull of a good villain if not!

But this just makes me scared for Spider. It's unclear how the "miracle" will happen to him, but one theory my reddit friend u/ellestra came up with is that Spider himself won't have a physical or genetic change, but rather that the sacred strands from one of the spirit trees will go inside of his lungs and act as a built in filter, filtering out the harmful gases in the atmosphere but letting oxygen pass through. Similar to how humans on earth have bacteria cultures in our guts that have a symbiotic relationship with us; the bacteria cultures get a warm, moist environment to live in and we get help digesting our food. The sacred strands will be like that, living off the nutrients in his body and filtering the unbreathable atmosphere in return.

It would be similar to what happened to Grace, when the na'vi were able to create a temporary kuru for her so she could connect with Eywa before dying. I believe u/Ellestra's theory is pretty likely, much more likely than Spider undergoing a genetic/physical mutation, cause basically his entire cardiovascular and respiratory system would have to be drastically changed to adapt to Pandora's gasses.

All this is to say is that if the RDA wants figure out what happened to Spider, they'll probably have to look into his lungs, which I imagine would involve some extremely unethical science experiments... poor Spider 😭 I hope Dr. Mogue will be a good guy and not let anything too terrible happen to him if this theory is true but we'll have to wait and see.

Do you know when Common Enemy will be finished?

Uh oh, what did Jake and Quaritch find?? 👀👀👀

You can read pages 1-9 here

I'm finally done with my long hiatus from Common Enemy and got the first 3 pages of part 2 down! You might notice a change in quality from part 1, and that's partially because I started working full-time so I don't have as much free time as I used to, and partially because I took such a long break from Common Enemy that I intimidated myself out of finishing it, and I compromised by deciding I would finish it, but I wouldn't hold myself to my usual standard.

To answer your question, I'm sorry, I don't know when I'll be finished. My schedule is too crazy right now to give an estimate, but I'll post updates on my progress. I'm so excited to share the complete story with you all once I finish!

James Cameron has written Neytiri and Spider's relationship before...

Recently I went on a kick of rewatching old sci-fi movies, including the James Cameron ones of course, and I noticed an interesting little pattern in JC's storytelling:

In Terminator 2 we have our protagonist Sarah Connor. In the first movie she was almost killed by the first terminator, so in the second movie, when she meets the new terminator, she's understandably distrustful of it even though her son, John, trusts it. However, the new terminator proves itself to be loyal to John, so she realizes she doesn't have to be distrustful and even comes to rely on it in the end.

Then in Alien 2 we have Ellen Ripley. In the first movie, Ripley was almost killed because of the android Rook, so in the second movie, when she meets a new android, Bishop, she's understandably distrustful of him even though the other human characters trust him. Just like the new terminator, Bishop proves himself to be loyal, and Ripley realizes she can trust him and they become friends by the end (and stay friends for the rest of their lives because I like to pretend Alien 3 didn't happen 😭)

Now we have the Avatar sequels and Neytiri. In the first Avatar, Neytiri was almost killed by Quaritch, so in the second movie, when she's around his son, she's extremely distrustful even though her family members trust Spider... hmm I wonder how James Cameron is going to resolve that conflict? 🤔

Obviously, Neytiri/Spider's relationship is more complicated and ugly than Ripley/Bishop and Sarah Connor/the second Terminator, but the story beats are still lining up the same. We don't know the conclusion to Neytiri and Spider's relationship conflict just yet, but looking at James Cameron's other works, I think he may be setting up to follow the same pattern as Alien 2 and Terminator 2.

Having a main protagonist realize she was wrong about someone and change her views on them is a story beat James Cameron seems to enjoy writing, and it's one that works really well. Giving a character flaws and having them grow and change is what creates compelling character arcs!

Avatar co-writer Amanda Silver even commented on the narrative purpose of Neytiri disliking Spider in an interview: "Neytiri is a fully fleshed-out character. She’s got flaws. So it’s okay to let her have flaws, we think. And that’s where Jim was coming from."

All this is to say that no, we are not going to see Neytiri murder Spider in Avatar 3 like many young fans hope, that would be a horribly depressing conclusion for her character arc; to never be challenged on her biases and never have to reflect on her views and grow. I for one am really excited to see how James Cameron and co resolve their conflict since their relationship has a lot more bad blood than the other two examples did!

Beautiful art OP! I am so so sooo curious to see if they go with this idea in A3, and if so how!

I know a lot of people discount this theory as being too far fetched, but technically we've already seen a human with a "kuru." When Grace was dying, and later when Jake permanently transferred into his body, Eywa created a "temporary kuru" to connect with them using her sacred tree roots.

(thanks to @spider-socorro-stan for the image!)

In this screenshot of the leaked script where Kiri and Mo'at discuss what happened to Spider, it looks to me like Kiri says "we weren't at a sacred tree. There was no place to connect. I -- I made the roots obey me. I don't know how -- I don't remember." And then Kiri claims "she did it herself" (presumably saving Spider) and Mo'at urges her to keep it a secret. The fact that Kiri references "roots" when talking about what she did to Spider, makes me think that whatever happens to Spider will involve these special roots that created the temporary kuru for Grace and Jake.

If these roots have the power to let Spider breathe the atmosphere, something unheard of, I don't see why they couldn't also grant him a kuru, something we've already seen before on a human, albeit temporarily.

My theory is that when Kiri "blesses" Spider with the power to breathe the air, she'll use these special roots to do so. I don't know how the roots will help him breathe the air (reddit user u/ellestra has a really interesting theory that microscopic filaments from the roots will "take root" in his lungs and form a symbiotic relationship, similar to how bacteria live in our gut and help us digest out food. The microscopic bits would act as a built in exopack to filter out the unbreathable elements of the atmosphere so Spider can breathe without having his respiratory and cardiovascular system radically overhauled).

But I believe that when Kiri does this, the roots will grow and connect to the back of his neck just like they did for Grace and Jake. The difference is that instead of disconnecting after the ceremony is over, the roots will stay and form a symbiotic relationship, integrating into Spider's nervous system; the roots will receive nourishment from Spider's bloodstream to stay alive and in return Spider gets to have a kuru!

This is why there's concept art of Spider with a kuru and also why he has a new braid in BTS images for Avatar 3. I theorize the reason the braid is significantly shorter than a kuru in the BTS images is because the kuru will start out small and "underdeveloped" right after the "miracle" but will slowly grow over time as it acclimates to his body. That's why the kuru looks thicker and longer in the second BTS image, and then it's full-length in the concept art. It might even start out just as small as it looks in OP's fanart, the difference being is I believe Spider's kuru will grow from the back of his neck like it did on Grace. Of course, the problem with his kuru is that, since it is a separate organism symbiotically attached to him and not a natural part of his body, it won't have any skin growing over it like the Na'vi do and it would just be the unprotected roots. it would be doubly important for Spider to braid his hair over his kuru to protect it.

Anyways, what do you guys think of my theory? I'd love to hear others thoughts on this idea or alternative theories!

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