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Rhaegar doesn’t have to like Elia.

She isn't that important but to the Dornish plot.

You tried to make a good post, and I appreciate your trying, but you are just wrong.

He wanted to have some joy. He is a grey character. I understand how you all want the best man whom Elia ALMOST had to love her but he doesn't have to.

More hate to Gregor, Armory and Tywin should be discussed and not Rhaegar. He was a good guy.

Beloved I never said Rhaegar loved her. But he did like her and trust her. He brought her into his council meetings and told her about the prophecy. You are putting a lot of words and opinions in my mouth and being very condescending while doing so. I’m not a particularly big fan of Elia, Rhaegar, or Lyanna. I like all three characters, but none are big focuses for me.

Rhaegar is a grey character yes, that is why it is interesting to discuss how he might’ve kept his family safe—because he’s a good enough person that he might have done so. There would be nothing to talk about if he was just evil because it’s not something he would’ve done then.

The Dorne plot is………… part of the grander story. To be important to the Dorne plot is to be important. Do you consider Young Griff to be part of the Dorne plot? Whether or not he’s actually Aegon, he is claimed to be Elia’s son.

Cool ok watch how discussions of Gregor go:

“Wow, isn’t it so fucked up what Gregor did?”

“Yeah he’s so evil he really deserved to die and I’m glad Oberyn got his revenge”

“Yeah he really is evil and fucked up”

There’s no grey in him. He’s just evil. Of course I hate his guts. But because, unlike Rhaegar, there isn’t any grey, there isn’t much fodder for discussion.

It was Aerys' fault. Dragonestone was the safest place for them. It was not him who brought them to kingslanding.

There is no one person at fault. To say it is Aerys’s fault alone is just as wrong as saying it is only Rhaegar’s, Tywin’s, or Gregor’s. The tragedy of Elia and her children may have been avoided if any one of these men had acted differently. Had Rhaegar acted differently he may have been able to prevent his family from being brought to King’s Landing. If Tywin hadn’t ordered the murders, they almost certainly wouldn’t have happened. Had Gregor and Amory not so being gleefully willing to kill an innocent woman and her small children, they may have been able to survive. Aerys created the situation; Tywin, Gregor, and Amory killed them; and Rhaegar failed to be there for them. Doesn’t mean that there is no honor in Rhaegar wanting to save the realm from the Others. He’s a fascinating character. It’s more worth talking about what Rhaegar could’ve done to protect them because, of all 5 of these men, he’s the only one who would have. His relationship with them was dysfunctional but I do believe he did care for them. That sets him apart from the other culpable characters. He cared enough to let Elia in on his council and even tell her about the prophecy to some extent. If rumors are to be believed, he cared enough to try to get rid of Aerys. He still could have acted with more caution to ensure the safety of his family. If he could hide Lyanna in the tower of joy, he could’ve hidden Elia and the kids. Being on Dragonstone is not hidden when you are married to the prince of Dragonstone.

“Why is it always Rhaegar that fans talk about when it comes to what happened to Elia and not Tywin or Gregor?”

Because Tywin and Gregor are presented unambiguously as villains in the text. Gregor does not have any depth to him at all. He is cruel, violent, and evil. There is not much more to say about him. He did something absolutely horrific without remorse. Tywin is more interesting but still entirely unsympathetic and unambiguously evil. Even Cersei, who idolizes Tywin, thinks he went to hell. Plus we saw both of them alive on page, so there’s less speculation to be done. Meanwhile Rhaegar never appeared alive on page and we only have information from various characters. He’s more of a mystery to the reader, and he’s not presented as an unambiguous villain. Most characters think about him positively. The only one to really speak ill of him is Robert, who is awful. The kind of person Rhaegar was is more up to the readers to decide. There is simply more room for discussion.

Second, Tywin and Gregor are held accountable by characters in the narrative already for the death of Elia and her children. Their culpability is not something to be discussed. It’s obvious. And characters already find it vile. You could make the case that since we don’t get a lot of animosity towards Rhaegar in the Martell POV chapters, that Oberyn’s anger was directed at Gregor, that they don’t assign any blame to Rhaegar. But two things: 1. Rhaegar is dead and gone, whereas Gregor and Tywin were still living and able to be held accountable. For the readers, all three are fictional. And, now, dead. And 2. The characters not blaming Rhaegar isn’t an indication that he’s blameless. The readers are often invited to come to our own conclusions about what is wrong or right, evil or righteous. Jaehaerys is regarded in universe as a good man and great king. But we the readers know that he slaughtered his teenage daughter’s lover while she watched. We get to decide for ourselves if Jaehaerys was a good man regardless of the opinions of the characters.

Gregor and Tywin are undoubtedly the most culpable for the deaths of Elia and her kids. One ordered it and the other did it. This is known and nobody is going to contest it. It does not erase this fact to say that if Rhaegar had not absconded with Lyanna, leaving his wife and kids in King’s Landing, they may have survived. It was short-sighted of him. He didn’t know he would die. He didn’t know that his wife and kids would suffer—but he knew that what he was doing would cause political unrest, and he knew that his father had no love for his wife and kids. Perhaps Rhaegar truly believed that having a child with Lyanna was the key to saving the realm. Even if this is true, he still bears some responsibility for the deaths of Elia and her children. I’m sure he did not think they would be harmed—but therein lies the problem. He should have thought more of them, even if his intentions were noble, because he knew he was going to incite political unrest and he knew his father didn’t care for Elia and her kids.

Saying that Tywin Lannister, Amory Lorch, and Gregor Clegane are evil and culpable in the deaths of Elia, Aegon, and Rhaenys is just very “water is wet.” It’s preaching to the choir. We can all see this. The characters in the story see this. Trying to understand the kind of person Rhaegar was, including the BAD, since we’re given mostly positive views of him, is something to actually talk about. The only one really speaking ill of Rhaegar in universe is Robert and it’s most certainly NOT because he cared about Elia and the kids. Elia’s end was tragic and it echoes through the story just like Lyanna’s. Speculating about her relationship with her husband (which GRRM himself has said was complex) and what he could have done to protect her is just a matter of investigating a series of events that is still rather shrouded and thus is actually worthy of discussion

Annoying people: “I have nothing against [female character], in fact, I like her! I just hate it when people think she’s important 🤗 It’s okay to like minor characters! 🤗 You can be a fan of a minor character without pretending they matter like my faves do!🤗”

Probably a result of the Umineko tag being the smallest thus my post is more likely to be seen by people who track it thus getting a bunch of Beatopilled users

Damn Beato sweep?!?!?!?!? Unexpected but NICE

Dove Cameron could’ve been a great Viserra or Dany and Anya Taylor-Joy could’ve been a great Daenys or Saera but they’ve both had work done that makes them no longer belong in this setting to me

Actresses who should play Targaryens:

LADY GAGA and I am so serious about her as Shiera

TILDA SWINTON: Elaena, anyone? Or actually even Visenya. I know everyone loves making gifs with that one woman from Vikings but Visenya is said to be austere. Elaena is a great choice too because I think Tilda really could embody “more beautiful at 70 than at 17”

Mia Goth: she’s got that otherworldly look. Could be Daella or Deana the Defiant

Hunter Schaefer: she has a very striking facial structure and with her smile that’s a bit angled up to one side, I think she’d be a great Alyssa

Gemma Ward: EXTREMELY ethereal. I’d pick her for Daenys, Rhaenys the conquerer, Naerys, or even Dany

Julia Garner: perhaps Rhaena the black bride or Deena the defiant?

Abbey Lee Kershaw: perhaps Saera as an adult? She has such striking features and a real intensity to her

Bella Heathcote: Rhaena daughter of Aegon III, perhaps? Could also do Naerys or Dany

Actresses who should play Targaryens:

LADY GAGA and I am so serious about her as Shiera

TILDA SWINTON: Elaena, anyone? Or actually even Visenya. I know everyone loves making gifs with that one woman from Vikings but Visenya is said to be austere. Elaena is a great choice too because I think Tilda really could embody “more beautiful at 70 than at 17”

Mia Goth: she’s got that otherworldly look. Could be Daella or Deana the Defiant

Hunter Schaefer: she has a very striking facial structure and with her smile that’s a bit angled up to one side, I think she’d be a great Alyssa

Gemma Ward: EXTREMELY ethereal. I’d pick her for Daenys, Rhaenys the conquerer, Naerys, or even Dany

Julia Garner: perhaps Rhaena the black bride or Deena the defiant?

Abbey Lee Kershaw: perhaps Saera as an adult? She has such striking features and a real intensity to her

Bella Heathcote: Rhaena daughter of Aegon III, perhaps? Could also do Naerys or Dany

And these are werewolf movies like come on

Revisiting Ginger Snaps because I’m making a Ginger costume and actually Katherine Isabelle and Emily Perkins at this age are the perfect Sansa and Arya fancasts to me. Katherine has the light auburn hair and blue eyes and Emily has the dark hair, long face, and grey eyes

Revisiting Ginger Snaps because I’m making a Ginger costume and actually Katherine Isabelle and Emily Perkins at this age are the perfect Sansa and Arya fancasts to me. Katherine has the light auburn hair and blue eyes and Emily has the dark hair, long face, and grey eyes

Highly recommend the experience of being a big fan of small up and coming bands/musicians because when you go to their shows you can just talk to them and maybe you hit it off with the lead singer’s girlfriend who gives you a backstage pass and you get to flirt with the lead singer of one of the headliners and then you get to hang out with the bands afterwards and the whole you’re like. Wow. I listen to the music YOU MADE on repeat on the way to work sometimes

Screaming crying throwing up listening to Mona Lisa on a Mattress by Bishop Briggs

Sansa stark & Podrick Payne : the lions, A Lady and a Knight

Princess and the squire : a princess who aspires to be the ultimate image of a lady, a squire who "trains" under a brave chivalrous knight

Crush : its layed out that Pod probably has a crush on sansa or is shy around her,she's completely oblivious to this however.

Pets : Sansa's direwolf being known as lady for her personality, Pod had a dog named hero it kinda makes me cry

Orphaned Hostage : Both parents being dead or absent . Sansa's been in an hostage situation since book 1 and podrick...He's FINE ok , maybe Podrick has been taken as a hostage by lady stoneheart thats a reason why Brienne goes along with the deal of bringing Jaime to stoneheart.

Lions : For house Lannister , sansa is surrounded by Lannisters,almost married Lancel and now is married to Tyrion,Podrick’s house is sworn under Lannisters , he squires for Tyrion might be knighted by a Lannister. Lannisters have their colours as red and gold, it’s unconfirmed why house Payne has gold coins on their sigils but might be related to the saying of “Lannisters always pays their debts”

Slaying giants (?) : for sansa its self explanatory for eventually slaying petyr but for pod....OK hear me out before you stone me i think i'd be sick if Pod was the one to slay(or help slay) lem lemoncloak in the same way jaime helped slay the smiling knight as a squire of Arthur dayne, he already pushed a knight in the rivers🤷🏽‍♀️. There’s a chance Jaime will knight brienne and podrick once they defeat stoneheart’s brotherhood. He constantly talks about killing people who want to harm brienne that’s my baby✨

Yvain, the Knight of the Lion : mostly allusions as he squires under 2 Lannisters (Tyrion and Jaime being there as a possibility in the future ) but could also be taken for brienne’s travels/relations with Jaime in the riverlands and cersei as the spurned lady, strangely brienne teaches a Payne to fight and a Payne trained Jaime for awhile, if podrick is turning 15 in twow he’d be the same age as Jaime when he was knighted. yvain also slayed a giant, killed 3 knights and his cousin was killed in an enchanted forest (Cedric in the riverlands) and had a story involving coins.

rhaena targaryen parallels: im DEEPLY reaching here but consider the allusions and opposite parallels of sansa and rhaena targaryen, in the end she marries Garmund hightower unexpectedly , garmund was also a noble squire ,both came from families who hated each other, both podrick and sansa are around the same age as were garmund and rhaena

Courtly love : Sansa's story involves LOTS of arranged marriages,plans and schemes without much care for her happiness or done for political gain it'd be nice if she at least gets to choose her lover in the future, courtly love in medieval romances/poetry often involved a Lady who's arranged marriages were mostly out of obligation/economic value and a knight who's romantic love or devotion was experienced outside of the marriage, the Knight was pious,brave,often of lower status and chivalrous while often having quests in the lady's name or affection, Podrick is currently on his own quest to find tyrion in relation to brienne's quest to find sansa, it’s not marriage but courtly love could also be an answer to sansa's wish of romanticism that's been denied to her throughout the story.

Roman de la rose : a poem related to courtly love depicting a Lady as a rose, Sansa's often associated with flowers, she's given a red rose by loras tyrell

Princesse lointaine : related to courtly love of an unattainable princess, Pod is often extremely awkward with sansa,she's closed off emotionally in king's landing and she seems far away while he's trying to find her but they haven’t met up again in the story how they interact later on is yet to be seen

I’m feeling reasonably human enough to scroll at least and I open up this app and see people saying that crabs are the most common shape in animal evolution AAAAAAAHHHHHHH becoming the joker of marine biology because THAT IS NOT WHAT CARCINIZATION MEANS AHHHHH the cancer crab shape has evolved convergent AMONGST CRABS. Carcinization ONLY APPLIES TO CRABS. The most common shape in animal evolution is TUBE. So many returns to a simple tube and even those of us who are not tube shaped are so full of tubes. Evolution LOVES tube

Going thru a breakup so I shall be absent for a time but one more thought I need to eke out here is that I think a lot of disagreement comes from the difference between people analyzing what’s likely based on THEMES and ARCS and stuff from a meta perspective versus people analyzing things based strictly on lore and what is present in text. The Nettles Valyrian debate is a prime example of this. Based entirely off of lore and lore alone, sure, we don’t really have a good reason to say that Nettles has no Valyrian blood. And if you’re coming to conclusion based only on the lore, placing your point of view inside the story, of course you’re going to be confused about why people are so insistent that Nettles isn’t Valyrian. But if you consider what it would do for the THEMES for her to be Valyrian or not, place your point of view inside George’s head, conduct analyses based on speculation as to WHY George decided to remark on certain things and what he was trying to say. Then you can start to see why we think George didn’t intend for Nettles to be Valyrian. It’s like. If a character in a story has a pet bird and the bird suddenly starts making noise in its cage. You could find evidence in the story about this bird making noise and things in the environment that the author created that might have spooked the bird. Or you could consider why the author decided to have the bird vocalize. I don’t really know where I’m going with this. Just thoughts from a tired tired brain after a great deal of crying

“Jon would set [girl] on fire to keep [other girl] warm” no he would not bestie he’d give other girl his cloak. I know it’s not meant to be taken literally but Jon has so much compassion in him that it seems like an affront to his character to talk about him like that. Must we speak so hatefully about characters just to spite fans of The Other Ship? The violent way some people on here talk about fictional teenage girls is so WEIRD

Why is Dany almost always drawn as this angelic grown woman with long hair and a hourglass figure? I know she's pretty, but this girl was walking around Essos bald, starved, with cracked nipples and 3 dragons to feed. Let her get dirty!

The cowardice of it.

Let her look like her iconic self! A bald, small fourteen-year-old, body still post-partum, with a lion's head for a hood crossing the desert with her small khalasar looking for a destination like some kind of knock-off Dothraki Dragon Moses. She just performed a murderous miracle and brought baby WMDs to life. They are marching and starving like young Stannis holding Storm's End through a year-old siege. They are drinking sulfuric water. The people are dropping like flies. Still they march. Her people die and her dragons thrive and her only mantra is that her word is their law and there's a star she needs to follow.

This is not a sex symbol. This is not an inspiring girl power fashion plate.

This is a raw, determined human in rough condition, with few lines left to cross and less cares to give about it.

People want a silver-haired, silk-clad, half-dressed dragon barbie when they should be celebrating this feral ticking time bomb.

this is for an argument w my friend

characters who suffer the most tragic fates not because they were destined to die but because they were doomed to survive

“It’s a biological fact that fish do indeed change their sex to keep the male/female ratio balanced in their school population.” Dramatic generalization that is extremely misleading. Unlike other vertebrate clades (aside from frogs), hermaphroditism does occur in many bony fish species! But what’s described in the quote there is called bidirectional hermaphroditism, in which an individual can go back and forth. This is uncommon. Most hermaphroditic fishes are sequential in only one direction, starting out as male and switching to female (protandry, like clownfishes) or starting out female and switching to male (protogyny, like wrasses). This is irreversible. Bidirectionality as described there happens almost exclusively amongst gobies, but also occurs in one damselfish, four dottybacks, and nine other assorted perciforms. There are less than 500 species of fish that exhibit any type of hermaphroditism (and there are over 34,000 species of fishes).

Check out inverts if you want to get a bit wilder, fungi if you want to be confused, and some unicellular eukaryotes if you want to be confused and amazed. Not that fish hermaphroditism isn’t amazing and fascinating but it isn’t ubiquitous and isn’t fluid in most cases.

Ma, they’re out there misrepresenting fish hermaphroditism again