Brief Michael Kahale Questions,

Brief Michael Kahale questions,

In SoN I we’re told that Centurions have to serve at least 5 years as a legionnaire before becoming a Centurion

And we Know that Michael Kahale was a linebacker in highschool, meaning more importantly that he went to highschool. But, like-

Michael is strongly implied to also be a teenager- I don’t like the idea of a like 23 year old Michael running around with a lot of 16 year olds and being close friends with 18 year old Octavian; and it strongly is implied that he is of similar age of Octavian.

But he went to highschool. And like- it at least feels like he had a year or two of highschool, enough to be recognizable in his linebacker situation and as a demigod to be scouted by Octavian’s father,

Which like, if we go 18 year old Michael kahale- or even 19 year old Michael Kahale at the oldest (though I always like making him 17, this is my own hc and I will not be including it) Anyway- if we go 19 Michael, he’d have to join the legion at 14; which, not impossible, some kids will be entering freshman year as 14 year olds, but- like- WHAT??

It feels, wrong to say it was fresh faced little baby Michael; Reyna makes it feel like he is newer to the legion, and that most of his bulk was Linebacker stuff.

But that implies that he ALSO broke the 5 year rule, that were told is super duper important and is rare to be broken- but really it feels like a lot of people broke it.

Frank obviously did, it’s an improtant plot point. I don’t think we get confirmation that Praetor’s also have this rule, but I feel like they do- and in that case then Percy and maybe Reyna both break that, then now Michael Kahale. Really it feels like no one really cares about this rule if we have this many examples of named characters that don’t follow this rule- not including any side characters were given that would make sense (very thankful that they did not hand over Dakota’s tattoo details so we could reasonably say that he got to the legion at 11 like Octavian, and actually properly followed the explicitly said rules about ranks) Also Hazel! She was at least at the camp for a year before HoO I think, and then only what, another year passes for ToA, she, at the most- could have around 3 years of service and I am only going off of memory here-

Literally no one cares about this 5 year rule unless we imply that 23 year old Kahale is running around and that makes me uncomfortable!

Anyway I’m gonna go to sleep now because I have to go to school tomorrow, good night- if anyone has any actual good explanation for this other than the continuous lack of characterization and attention paid to Camp Jupiter and the concepts presented in Camp Jupiter; I’d love to hear it

I just got home no braincells left. After the wild time I’m not risking it.

“But if you forget to reblog Madame Zeroni, you and your family will be cursed for always and eternity.”

UPDATE-?!?!?

I PINKY PROMISE ILL GET AN UPDATE ON THE MAP OUT BUT IVE FALLEN DOWN A RABBIT HOLE ON THE OUTSIDERS (JUST BOB SHELDON-) AND I CANT GET OUT

BUT WERE ON THE HOME STRETCH!!! JUST WORKING ON PLACING DOWN THE LOCATIONS OF BUILDINGS, WALLS, AND ROADS!!! BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS KINDA GOOD

EVERY COHORT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO HATE THE 5TH COHORT IT IS SO MEAN THAT THEY MADE IT AND ODD NUMBER CAUSE IT MAKES IT LOOK WEIRD AS HELL TRYING TO BALANCE OUT THE BARRACKS WITH EACH OTHER BUT I MIGHT JUST USE THE FOOD STORAGE TO BALANCE WITH THE 5TH’s BARRACKS

OKAY AAAAA-

I have no idea where this energy for all caps came from. But I haven’t really posted any content other than PJO (because that’s one of my main things and I don’t want to try and post anything about Rome because that is begging me to be so wrong about things I said) but the Outsiders is really silly and I need some way to talk about it even though I feel like there is like 0 fans that I’ve seen around

But I wanna talk about my favorite character! Who.. also happens to die suddenly. It’s not very nice when authors do that to the fun characters :[

(Every single time I say that a character is my favorite they end up dying. I’m cursed and it’s not nice, and I am too scared to look up if Dallas Winston dies but if he does I am crying and my English teacher will have to deal with me.)

But BOB! He’s alive in the book for like 3 pages and then is horribly murdered by another character, Johnny Cade. He is a little rich boy who loves his rings and his girlfriend and managed to keep a best friend since kindergarten and I have SO many Hcs for him-

Okay, okay. Important things- 1st draft of map is on its way, sorry I’ve been delaying it but school is just slightly more important than the silly map. 2nd, please. Can we stop killing characters I like :(? Jokingly of course but I almost cried, several times now for various characters in various books. Let’s not.

Okay good night :3

*note from the future: I’ve realized this could’ve been a joke post or sarcasm, if that is the case- I have been tomfooled. But hey, there’s some reasons that Octavian could get to be the Augur and Senior Centurion!)

Okay, okay! I’d like to present a possible answer. If I’m remembering correctly; Octavian can see the future (like in SoN with the whole ‘the Greek has arrived’ and the whole smoke and special affects) Apollo also notes that Octavian was contacting him when we talk with Apollo in BoO; So in some case he has prophetic powers that could land him in the Augur position, and secondly,

We are drawn attention to in SoN the fact that Octavian is stated to be a good Orator. Now, Oratory skills are nothing to brush off- a bunch of people have come into places of power throughout history due to being good Orators! So could it be safe to say he managed to through being a skilled Orator, making sure he had majority of his cohorts favor, and adding the fact that he was the Augur on top.

Okay that last paragraph was written weirdly, I just woke up. But yeah; his See the future stuff wasn’t stopped until Python took control of the Delphic cave and Apollo got blasted from the sky.

And this answer (i think at least) works okay because it gives him genuinely good reasons to get into the positions of power that he has. Rather than just getting through from money.

But, Augur: could reasonably see the future if looking at the objective fact parts of canon (in my opinion at least from what I remember, and it wasn’t all of one of the POV’s going ‘Welll, can Octavian actually do that?’)

And rising to being the senior Centurion: he could’ve rose through his Orating, careful strategic planning, and generally trying to show himself to look like the best option.

That’s my idea at least, it’s from what I remember from the books- and maybe it does give a okay explanation.

Okay but if Octavian couldn't see the future then how the hell did he gaslight gatekeep girlboss his way into being not only the camp augur but senior centurion of the best cohort because yes he's got money but money doesn't tell the future!!

I would like to give an update on Kleos’s fury, drawing the map is daunting and scary, so instead I have been writing out notes on actual historically accurate Roman forts/ permanent camps,

I have written five pages. I almost forgot about eating dinner. It’s great, I’ve squealed in delight at least three times. I’m excited to actually format Camp in a way and try to try the map after I’ve gotten my information, and in other notes I’ve finally set aside an entire notebook just for my Camp Jupiter stuff- I have included photos of my notes below, and I will note that in no way are these notes finished, I am far from done catagorizing my map things,

Anyway I am gonna go continue my research and decent. Have a good night, I am unenthusiastic to actually draw this map. Please help scale makes me want to rip my hair out, it brings up memories from design and modeling and I never want to see a piece of isometric paper ever again.

Security/Injuries in Camp Jupiter

Alternate title, ‘Why Camp is literally so unsafe and why we need the Valitudinarium/Camp medical office because everyone will be dead without it’

Okay I just said a lot of words (as usual) but I want to talk about the security in Camp Jupiter. Because guys- why aren’t we shown that these people are INFESTED with monsters.

We are told that the temple hill frequently gets Basilisk burrow problems, and we know that Terminus’s whole safe bubble only applies to New Rome because ‘Conquer or Die’ more interesting analysis of Camps inner workings and interesting stuff that it is too early in the morning to talk about!!

(I’m writing this at 7:17 and I am not in any condition to think about the horrors that these legionnaires must see on a daily basis.)

But yeah, we know that the Temple hill (which is a whole other weird can of worms to have a temple hill? I’d have to look into it more but having them all condensed in that little area feels a little funky- but that’s not the point of this post I’m getting sidetracked) gets infested. Just want to keep reminding people that this is sort of founded off of canon concepts,

But we know that one demigod out in the mortal realm attracts monsters like a fly zapper, and we know the more condensed they are the more monsters they attract (which I’ll also mention brings up some very fun questions about Camp Half-Blood before they had the Thalia shield.) and considering that ‘Big 3’ kids also are said to attract more monsters (wild that we don’t see Percy like regularly deal with monsters. Like- they say they do, but I feel like in the book they don’t really seem to attract much monsters at all once they’re released. Thats for another post tho-)

But from everything said in canon, Camp Jupiter is like a giant neon blinky sign saying ‘all you can eat buffet’ to every monster in a 50 mile radius (I made up that 50 mile number it’s just for the thing, not a real measure) and if we add the fact that Greek demigods aren’t allowed to live in the Bay Area (partially because of Camp Jupiter probably-) but also because it has some of the highest monster populations due to like mt.tam or something (i think that’s what they said. Though then i feel like Los Angelos should similarly be crawling with the buggers due to the underworld but idk!)

But yeah, Camp Jupiter is giant monster attraction. That’s what all that was trying to get at, so I’d like to propose some not so silly camp ideas.

Camp Jupiter’s most dangerous (and most needed) roles are probably tied at Messengers, Scouts, and Sentries (I believe they’re sentries, but I could be wrong. The people on guard duty out at the walls) but these are the jobs I can solidly see having the highest injury rate from monsters (we won’t include various officers/people in power getting injured due to conspiracy,mutiny, etc.)

But I’ll start with Sentries/guards. They are needed, for the obvious reasons. While they are also the most likely to spot some monsters getting a little too close to camp, have to deal with anything trying to slip in, and being the first line of defense or whatever if there’s minor threats that don’t need a whole cohort to take care of (like obviously the guards aren’t gonna be left to deal with like a chimera or anything on their own- but smaller things, like idk I’m sleepy guys) but they also get to be the people popped into the Camp medical thing (I want to say Valitudinarium but it’s a long word and not a lot of people see it and immediately know I’m talking about the camp hospital) because “hey guys, Tim got burned pretty badly after we spotted a couple Cockatrices nesting on a crag in the wall :[“

Then since I seem to be going in reverse are scouts. They don’t need their scouts as much in purely canon Camp Jupiter. But in purely canon Camp Jupiter then in periods where they need the scouts (I’d assume war situations or whatever) they’re going out on their own or in very small groups (guys let’s note that i don’t know how a scout would operate and frankly for this post I’d prefer just to get this idea down here and then think about it later) but they’re left to essentially do the Annabeth thing. And knowing from that group they got swarmed by monsters. So I’d say safe to say that scouts get pretty regularly picked off or at least injured during wartimes.

Now IF we talk about my hc for the 5 missing cohorts being out at settlements around the Americas (just because the 5 being missing bothered me so much) then scouts there are more common for whatever various reasons- and that means they still also get regularly picked off and injured, just probably more often because these scouts wouldn’t just be during wartimes

And finally messengers. They’re role is self-explanatory, I’d see them as Messengers/Heralds/whatever we need some people to go do the thing. Okay aside from that (I am back at writing, it is now 3:03 and I’m getting home, please my head hurts and my braincells were used up like powerups bare with me) but messengers also get injured a lot for similar reasons to the scouts (wow big shocker) but I’d assume they’d be just the smallest bit safer if we assume they operate like mailmen between Camp Jupiter and New Rome and therefore have nice roads, the little protect bubble/Legionnaires everywhere. (I’d like to mention the total missed opportunity to introduce some characters who are messengers/Heralds/Scouts at the Greek & Roman meeting because you can’t convince me Octavian would let Reyna be dumb enough to walk straight into a crowd of their current enemies without sending a couple people to scope out the area-) but yeah, messengers- I haven’t given them much though but I probably will when I start talking about physical roles in Camp Jupiter. They probably also get injured a lot but not as often.

Okay now id like to also say that Camp has amazing walls (I mean the Romans *In Rick Riordan canon* are descended from Trojans and they had a pretty rad wall-) but yeah, I imagine the walls are tall and imposing and scary!! You see a lot more legionnaires constantly carrying weapons or having them at their bedsides because, “Oh sometimes we’re unlucky and a hellhound’ll get through” or “One time we had some sirens come in from the aqueducts connected to the bay that got into the bathhouse”

At Random times at night it’s pretty common to see a commotion because something got in, or a legionnaires missing, or someone is getting someone to the medics-

A lot more scars compared to Camp Half-Blood, scarring is easier when your constantly in danger and using Imperial gold weapons on each other,

Which that last statement bleeds into this one. We are told how dangerous Imperial Gold is- and take into consideration that the Legionnaires are never said to practice with anything different (I’d assume they’d use commons methods of like the ball on the tip of the spear or whatever to stop from like murder but still-??) and war games.

Every single legionnaires lives, sleeps, and breaths in the Camp Hospital, it’s a big building. Every time camp can get their claws into another medic rejoice. And these poor medics, if we consider how bad we think it is over at Camp Half-Blood

These kids regularly shoot each other with siege weapons, throw balls with various chemical concoctions (I would like to say yea, that is a canon thing. It’s called death ball in SoN.) Medics barely get any respite and so little reward for their work because everyone is focused on the people who fight (Which- still deserve the recognition, just saying.)

But yeah, I got off track again- I think? Idk, I’d like to say during the Titan war Camp got the highest surge in injury/death. Due to monsters and demigods n stuff, that is my hc at least to explain to my head why Camp Jupiter feels so empty in SoN and the other books it appears in.

I cried in my English class guys, I uh. Processed a lot from chapter 12 of the outsiders. But I’m happy to kinda get this post done, I’ll probably make another down the road that more clearly talks about it but for now I am very happy to have another long post done, and this is a topic that I like thinking about (Mainly I just like thinking about Camp Jupiter and Romans, big shocker I know guys) but I think that’ll be it for the super duper long posts today.