Ok Apologies In Advance If I Get Anything Wrong I'm Just Here To Discuss Rwby Specifically And Why Some

Ok apologies in advance if I get anything wrong I'm just here to discuss Rwby specifically and why some of the community has turned against it.

To be frank Rwbys situation compared to indie animation is... Vastly different. RWBY yes is indie but that doesn't mean it is like its brethren here that face unnecessary overwhelming backlash.

This is due to one thing-

Rt can't write to save their lives. (They especially can't write women)

Crwby is notorious for making really shitty decisions. For instance.

Turning ironwood into a dictator despite him never being shown as one before.

Completely missing the point when it came to suicide allegory.

And the most baffling to me-

Turning Adam into a petty manipulative ex and just throwing out the fact he cared for his people. Also ignoring previous statements (IN THE SHOW) where it's stated he and blakes relationship was mentor and student.

Add that with crwby being unable to write women yet choosing to treat every straight white (or white presenting) male character as a piece of shit.

Crwby has made it abundantly obviously they cannot write their characters, they cannot write their story, and they sure as the shit I left in my toilet, never should've be allowed to write for this show.

So Thus some members of the fandom turned against, and while I pray none of them are harassing anyone (can people for the love of God quit being braindead hive mind imbeciles who don't understand what the fuck an opinion is)

I certainly understand why those people defected. RWBY is in a really shitty state and has been horribly mishandled by it's company and now has just been left to die alone.

So.. hooray I guess?

Thats just my shitty two sense but anyway I'm gonna go before I accidentally crucify myself.

Why does Indie Animation lend itself to such intense discourse?

If I had to speculate from my own observations (feel free to call me out on an overgeneralizations), it would be that the harsh turn against any given indie project would be akin to a mother scolding a child with, "I expected this from your sibling but you?!"

See also the "We were rooting for you" gif often tossed around.

Indie Animation be it from a small studio or crowdfunded is seen as bypassing the hoops and hurdles of getting your foot in the door of the highly corporatized entertainment industry. With the likes of Disney or Nick or any given streaming service, creator driven projects are subject to the whims of the company who holds the IP.

And those whims are often to said IP's detriment. It'll more often than not be willfully neglected at best or treated as just something to fill a time slot or shove onto a streaming platform as "content." Enough may be allowed to flourish but their either uncerimoniously cut short at best or being dragged out as a franchise at worst.

To keep from going on about the whole Legend of Korra vs. Spongebob thing (I was there people, there was an LoK fandom believe it or not), indie animation has often been seen as small scale but also within the creator's general control since they control how long it goes or how it's written.

Many cartoons like Gravity Falls, Owl House and Amphibia have talked about trying to get their vision across while contending with a lot of Standards and Practices. Their story which had a "kids and adults alike" target audience would have the top brass insist on something more just for the former category.

While they find work arounds, often to stick their tongue out at the FCC, this can be a hard reminder of who has the final say despite it being what you want. Indie animation is seen as an answer to "What if Alex Hirsch didn't have to comprimise elements of Gravity Falls for the FCC?" or "What if Dana Terrence could just blaze her own trail with The Owl House with little to no notes?"

Especially when it comes to animation with queer characters. Animation made to be "fit for kids" have it tough enough even today but adult animation has to "play it for laughs" since comedies have been the defacto standard for that type of cartoon.

However... a show being creator driven or creative team driven comes as a double edged sword for the fandoms they form. Not all stories that play out across multiple episodes of varying lengths are going in the direction YOU might want to.

Creators might tire of a certain direction or formula and mix things up with things that come to mind almost on the spot. Even with a solid plan, the status quo will get a shake up that can and will alienate those who fell in love from episode one.

Indie Pilots spark the imagination something fierce. There's theories as to what any little detail could mean going forward and speculation on what a character's arc could be. These go wild because Fandom is all about the hypothetical, the unknown, the what could've/should've/would've been. Whole phenomenon would be dead in the water otherwise.

Thing is that not all theories will be proven right if any at all. The creators aren't mind readers and even if it isn't a legality like in corporate, they don't read fanfics if only because they don't want their vision to be totally compromised. Any good creator knows not to just give fans what they want. However... trampling over all these fanfics and theories makes it feel like any given fan had their "child" dragged into the streets to be shot.

A harsh phrasing but that's how a lot of fans act when continuing episode bump up against initial impression of this character or that storyline. It was their creation but new lore, new backstory or what have you is liable to override them. It's been an occupational hazard of being a member of fandom for ages yet it's become the center of a lot of discourse now more than ever. Say thank you to social media for creating such a combative environment everybody.

It's this... feeling of ownership that has existed in fandoms of other shows owned by corporations but amplied by the smaller scale of it, how creators seem more... approachable. And THIS is how the YouTube "critic" scene comes in to capitalize.

So... yeah.

Ok I'm gonna try my best to not sound like a fuckin moron. (Because I feel like acting like I'm that guy)

To begin in reverse order. I like rwby. Mainly due to fact it inspired my work. People can dislike how a show is handled but still enjoy the series.

Thats just a fact. (I know this is a bit of topic so very sorry about that) But that doesn't stop me from appreciating things. For instance weapon design and the fight choreography. While unfortunately after Monty passed the fights did go down in quality that doesn't inherently mean their completely shit. I can also still appreciate the music.

I dislike how rwby was handled but if I hated it I'd probably just shit on it endlessly (again apologies this is heavily off topic I just wanna make anyone who sees this can atleast get a grasp on my bullshit)

Whether or not Rwby does have a potential buyer doesn't really matter, it got screwed over by Rooster teeth. And honestly I hope it does have a buyer, I hope it gets a good writing staff because the series deserves better. (I apologize if I came off as hostile about that fact)

I excluded jaune because one he's a member of the main cast and two he's supprisingly in offensive (plus he's also your second favorite character) SHUT THE FUCK UP! SHIT LIKE THAT GONNA MAKE ME LOOK LIKE I GOT A BIAS.

For Ren it's both the fact he's a member of the main cast, he's even more inoffensive and (personally) because he's Nora's love interest. As for sun and Neptune? I got nothing I just excluded them because I actually like their bias to their characters (despite a minor bias against Neptune)

For Adam.. I don't know why but the idea that what was Adam is a fanon thing but I'm not digging into that can of worms because it's a headache and I refuse to argue over something that ends with no loser or winner, just bitterness. As for the fact of apparently deceiving the fandom? I consider that total bullshit because from what I can tell (emphasize on what I can discern) crwby just really fuckin hated him. But I got nothing for defending this mothafucker I'm just glad he's dead because that means he isn't becoming worse.

Ironwood is... Interesting. Id bring up his semblance (which I don't why I didn't. Would have been really good for the argument) but that now would sound like an excuse. So I'm just gonna bring up the fact this man was kept in the dark by team Rwby, was actively lied to and the moment things went to shut he broke and suddenly he's a dictator now. If anything I probably would have said that he was pinned against a wall and overcome with frustration just lost it. But for all I know I could have the whole "it's a fanon interpretation" thrown and I have already made it obvious I hate dealing with that.

As for the whole fact that rt can't write women? May I direct your eye to the actions of team Rwby.

Ahem.

Allied themselves with a criminal who has been shown stealing supplies.

Lied to a leader of a nation despite previously stating a few volumes back no more lies.

Completely acted as if ironwood couldn't be trust despite, 1. Giving them and their fellow huntsmen and huntresses in training the option of leaving. 2. Giving yang her prosthetic arm after Adam cut her old arm off. Defending Weiss after she accidentally caused a ruckus at a galla (in which is a action I actually agree, fuck the bitches who didn't give two shits about the lives lost. People like that can eat a boulder.) 3. Giving the team their licenses because he trusts them.

The entire fact of how they handled the truth Salem can't be killed, just proceeding to treat him like he committed the most heinous crimes imagine able (..that's a bit much ill probably come back with a better comparison). However that is ignoring the fact Ozpin has consistently put the people before stopping Salem, he treated the students of beacon not as foot soldiers but as people he also kept Salems immortality a secret because he cared for the people. If everyone knew about Salem and that she couldn't be killed, they wouldn't unite they most likely would just surrender.

Finally for my grocery list of points I have poorly explained, the allegory for suicide. ok before I begin I'm going to state the fact that while I do struggle with suicidal thoughts that does not inherently allow me to talk about this. I'm just giving my perspective, especially considering.. the obvious.

Rubys "death" didn't give any impact to the cast. No one really had a reaction that made sense for them. (I'm especially mad yang didn't go fuckin ballistic at jaune considering on paper it's primarily his fault because what he said pushed ruby over the edge.) Add that with the fact that some aspects of team Rwby were heavily out of character (ahem- YANG) Ruby's "death" didn't really mean anything.

The topic of Ruby commiting suicide should have been handled with a lot more care and not as a plot point that meant nothing (I'm actually hoping I can do atleast a little better with that topic during my rewrite)

One last thing. I am sorry the whole "crucify" thing sounded at you it was more directed at the toxic asshats that inhabit this fandom, the wasps, thorn, the RT glazers and just people who just to take a extreme when it comes to rwby.

Alright I hope I made sense and didn't sound like a baboons ass cheeks clapping.

I'm tired and don't feel like digging my own grave any deeper. Saving that for when I'm well known in the fandom.

Now as I naturally say. Rock on till ya drop tata mothafuckers.

Why does Indie Animation lend itself to such intense discourse?

If I had to speculate from my own observations (feel free to call me out on an overgeneralizations), it would be that the harsh turn against any given indie project would be akin to a mother scolding a child with, "I expected this from your sibling but you?!"

See also the "We were rooting for you" gif often tossed around.

Indie Animation be it from a small studio or crowdfunded is seen as bypassing the hoops and hurdles of getting your foot in the door of the highly corporatized entertainment industry. With the likes of Disney or Nick or any given streaming service, creator driven projects are subject to the whims of the company who holds the IP.

And those whims are often to said IP's detriment. It'll more often than not be willfully neglected at best or treated as just something to fill a time slot or shove onto a streaming platform as "content." Enough may be allowed to flourish but their either uncerimoniously cut short at best or being dragged out as a franchise at worst.

To keep from going on about the whole Legend of Korra vs. Spongebob thing (I was there people, there was an LoK fandom believe it or not), indie animation has often been seen as small scale but also within the creator's general control since they control how long it goes or how it's written.

Many cartoons like Gravity Falls, Owl House and Amphibia have talked about trying to get their vision across while contending with a lot of Standards and Practices. Their story which had a "kids and adults alike" target audience would have the top brass insist on something more just for the former category.

While they find work arounds, often to stick their tongue out at the FCC, this can be a hard reminder of who has the final say despite it being what you want. Indie animation is seen as an answer to "What if Alex Hirsch didn't have to comprimise elements of Gravity Falls for the FCC?" or "What if Dana Terrence could just blaze her own trail with The Owl House with little to no notes?"

Especially when it comes to animation with queer characters. Animation made to be "fit for kids" have it tough enough even today but adult animation has to "play it for laughs" since comedies have been the defacto standard for that type of cartoon.

However... a show being creator driven or creative team driven comes as a double edged sword for the fandoms they form. Not all stories that play out across multiple episodes of varying lengths are going in the direction YOU might want to.

Creators might tire of a certain direction or formula and mix things up with things that come to mind almost on the spot. Even with a solid plan, the status quo will get a shake up that can and will alienate those who fell in love from episode one.

Indie Pilots spark the imagination something fierce. There's theories as to what any little detail could mean going forward and speculation on what a character's arc could be. These go wild because Fandom is all about the hypothetical, the unknown, the what could've/should've/would've been. Whole phenomenon would be dead in the water otherwise.

Thing is that not all theories will be proven right if any at all. The creators aren't mind readers and even if it isn't a legality like in corporate, they don't read fanfics if only because they don't want their vision to be totally compromised. Any good creator knows not to just give fans what they want. However... trampling over all these fanfics and theories makes it feel like any given fan had their "child" dragged into the streets to be shot.

A harsh phrasing but that's how a lot of fans act when continuing episode bump up against initial impression of this character or that storyline. It was their creation but new lore, new backstory or what have you is liable to override them. It's been an occupational hazard of being a member of fandom for ages yet it's become the center of a lot of discourse now more than ever. Say thank you to social media for creating such a combative environment everybody.

It's this... feeling of ownership that has existed in fandoms of other shows owned by corporations but amplied by the smaller scale of it, how creators seem more... approachable. And THIS is how the YouTube "critic" scene comes in to capitalize.

So... yeah.

Figures the turd claiming that CRWBY can't write women is a Ironwood bootlicker and a Jaune stan.

Your opinion doesn't count for shit.

... Ok let me explain something that hopefully makes sense.

The woman of Rwby have very little characterization to the point they get overshadowed by the male characters (example: jaune). Crwby/Rt cannot write women, but they also just can't write. Team Rwby in the series has made baffling decision after baffling decision, such as.

Lying to ironwood despite him being trustworthy as seen multiple times before.

Acting as if ozma is suddenly the worst person in existence because he hid the fact Salem probably can't be killed. While yes that is very questionable that doesn't change the fact he did care for beacon and every other academy. He specifically made sure the students could actually be students instead of foot soldiers.

The entire thing with Salem being revealed to the people and the fact she's immortal.

Yet despite these actions they are treated as heros. Which normally makes sense but in context.. makes them really shitty.

Rt can't write. That's just a fact. Im sorry some people don't wanna believe that but the fact is Rwby has failed as a series because rt can't write, and especially cant write women.

Ironwood at the start is a man with his heart in the right place but is hasty with his decisions. The actions he later makes that people would dub as out of character. Is when he when he finds out he's been lied too.

As for Jaune... Look I've made multiple discussions on why I like jaune as a character. But to sum it up. He's a inoffensive character. Most offensive thing about him was his crush on Weiss and him lying about transcripts. Thats about it.

Now I'm done trying to defend myself. If you got a complaint tell me! Whether in chat or by using anything else besides anonymous asks.

You hiding your account and not manning up to yo damn words makes you sound like a coward.

I ain't trying to be dick, hell I'm mainly focusing on my rewrite of Rwby and my own shit. I just want to say what I think, if you disagree that's perfectly fine. You ain't gotta hide yo account I ain't gonna make fun of you.

Ok I think I've rambled enough, I got a limp dick ass hate who decided to just insult me out the blue.

Abbadon the null emperor.. is a ripe BASTARD.

(swear to God he's gonna call Cici a slut and every synonym of it just because she had an experiment and made her and Lucius's lab babies. He gonna drag her through the mud just because he can!)

.. look i really write a response but I'm tired.

So uh gold star to you I guess.

Apologies for the low quality. I'm just very tired.

Figures the turd claiming that CRWBY can't write women is a Ironwood bootlicker and a Jaune stan.

Your opinion doesn't count for shit.

... Ok let me explain something that hopefully makes sense.

The woman of Rwby have very little characterization to the point they get overshadowed by the male characters (example: jaune). Crwby/Rt cannot write women, but they also just can't write. Team Rwby in the series has made baffling decision after baffling decision, such as.

Lying to ironwood despite him being trustworthy as seen multiple times before.

Acting as if ozma is suddenly the worst person in existence because he hid the fact Salem probably can't be killed. While yes that is very questionable that doesn't change the fact he did care for beacon and every other academy. He specifically made sure the students could actually be students instead of foot soldiers.

The entire thing with Salem being revealed to the people and the fact she's immortal.

Yet despite these actions they are treated as heros. Which normally makes sense but in context.. makes them really shitty.

Rt can't write. That's just a fact. Im sorry some people don't wanna believe that but the fact is Rwby has failed as a series because rt can't write, and especially cant write women.

Ironwood at the start is a man with his heart in the right place but is hasty with his decisions. The actions he later makes that people would dub as out of character. Is when he when he finds out he's been lied too.

As for Jaune... Look I've made multiple discussions on why I like jaune as a character. But to sum it up. He's a inoffensive character. Most offensive thing about him was his crush on Weiss and him lying about transcripts. Thats about it.

Now I'm done trying to defend myself. If you got a complaint tell me! Whether in chat or by using anything else besides anonymous asks.

You hiding your account and not manning up to yo damn words makes you sound like a coward.

I ain't trying to be dick, hell I'm mainly focusing on my rewrite of Rwby and my own shit. I just want to say what I think, if you disagree that's perfectly fine. You ain't gotta hide yo account I ain't gonna make fun of you.

Ok I think I've rambled enough, I got a limp dick ass hate who decided to just insult me out the blue.

Sometimes I forget that just writing jaune related fanfics will put a target on your back by idiots who claim jaune is a self insert or is the reason why Rwby is a failure.

...god why did I join this fandom again?

OH WAIT BECAUSE I AM SHIPPER TRASH™

Seriously I get some people don't like him but can't we go a minute and just agree to disagree

That's all.

I am not entirely speaking from experience I am thankfully lucky because i am not that well known. But seriously i feel bad for alot of fanfic writers, not just ones that write about Jaune but about any character