8th House Melodious Interpretations

8th House Melodious Interpretations

These notes are taken from https://carmenturnerschott.com/category/8th-house/ These are not my words, not my work.

After studying astrology for several years, it became evident to me that the most powerful house in our astrological chart was the eighth house.

We attract the wounded like a magnet.

We take the risk of being hurt, but that is the mission of the eighth house person. To take risks and be vulnerable is being strong.

By truly being vulnerable with another person and truly allowing someone into our lives and heart we can heal our own pain. We can’t do it alone.

Like Pandora’s box being opened for the first time, everything we don’t want to see will be released.

I learned more about myself from them and the hidden destiny of an eighth house person. The destiny is that of a healer.

It is through experiencing deep hurt that we can truly understand the pain of others. The eighth house person is meant to delve into and dive deep into the emotional waters and experience all the deeper emotions under the surface. By experiencing these deeper emotions we become aware of others pain, not just our own.

They transform and take all of those memories, emotions and thoughts and morph into an entire new person. This ability to regenerate, transform inside creates healing and with time they are able to truly forgive although they never forget.

A voice inside tells them “get up”.

She told me once that she often feels that something in her dies and she suddenly feels completely different.

Through emotional death, psychological death and symbolic death most eighth house people transform who they are.

They are meant to.

They are meant to become beacons of hope for those who are hopeless. They are meant to be a listening ear for those who have sad stories to tell. They are meant to be there for someone who needs a good friend and a good hug in a moment of devastation. They are meant to be there for those who are in the dark knight of the soul because they are truly able to understand.

Secretive, private, mysterious and deep

Growing spiritually, and achieving a deep insight into others, is the gifts of this house.

They can feel like no one understands them and that no one else in their life thinks or feels as they do.

These individuals are feeling other’s energies, auras, thought forms and emotions. This is being one with others, not separate.

They always have a sense of their own mortality.

True healers, body workers, counselors and psychics usually have planets in the eighth house.

The most important thing to remember is that the eighth house does not lie. 

Jacques Lacan had Venus in the 8th House

And that is quite visible in his work. Some of his quotes are shared below. These are the words of someone who must have felt the tragedy of losing a grip over their reality. Who must have lived a fantasy first and seen it tear apart later. Therefore comes the school of psychoanalysis.

What does it matter how many lovers you have if none of them gives you the universe?

Love is giving something you don't have to someone who doesn't want it.

All sorts of things in this world behave like mirrors. 

His description of psychology and the unconscious touches the depths and borders of the unknown. It is the exploration of the 8th house but in a scientific way rather than spiritual or magical. Perhaps it is the closest we can get to understanding this house of astrology:

I always speak the truth. Not the whole truth, because there's no way, to say it all. Saying it all is literally impossible: words fail. Yet it's through this very impossibility that the truth holds onto the real.

I identify myself in language, but only by losing myself in it like an object. What is realised in my history is not the past definite of what was, since it is no more, or even the present perfect of what has been in what I am, but the future anterior of what I shall have been for what I am in the process of becoming.

Desire, a function central to all human experience, is the desire for nothing nameable.

As to why 8th house Venus could influence Lacanian psychology, we find its answer in the nature of this house. This excerpt is from Barbara Pijan's article on her website:

Whichever graha occupy bhava-8 become fuel for the Kuja (Mars) -Ketu magical-transformation engine of hidden and secret tantric processes in the human consciousness. Will the native become a victim of this process or an instigator of it? A long-lived and wise magician, or a tragic childhood death? A brilliant surgeon or psychiatrist? An attorney of wills and estates? Or a sorcerer, caster of curses, agent of superstitious fear and petty control? Will"self-destructive" urges be recognized as healing transformations, or will the native and-or his culture adjudge such behaviors to be undesirable?

True to this description, Lacan did indeed become a brilliant psychiatrist. If you read how he speaks of psychoanalysis, it is not merely his profession or source of income, it is rather something that has touched something inside him, that he cannot articulate but knows it is connected to psychology. How do we even know if something is scientific work and not the gibberish of a mystic who speaks whatever he wants? Anyone with planets in the 8th house or aspects to this house is bound to experience a similar psychic fate: of self-undoing and psychological analysis.

The madman is not only a beggar who thinks he is a king, but also a king who thinks he is a king.

Yet, analytical truth is not as mysterious, or as secret, so as to not allow us to see that people with a talent for directing consciences see truth rise spontaneously.

Obsessional does not necessarily mean sexual obsession, not even obsession for this, or for that in particular; to be an obsessional means to find oneself caught in a mechanism, in a trap increasingly demanding and endless.

In other words, the man who is born into existence deals first with language; this is a given. He is even caught in it before his birth.

U good ,love ? 💗

Yes, thank you.

Writing anything, talking to anyone, facing any human is bound to create an egotistic image. I want to live somewhere hidden and speak something completely egoless. To rid of my narcissism, I only get more narcissistic. That is why low account activity.

When the Moon Came Down - Book by Feridun Oral

"Bad people" and 8th house

So, there is a default fantasy that life is meant to be fair, just, polite, safe, soft and soothing. But it is rarely that. I have often observed the correlation between 8th house and turmoils, craziness, mental instability. A lot of times it is caused by human behaviour, personality, conversations and the feelings.

At first, after years of turmoil and confusion, I was so angry why people speak and act badly. Why speak sarcasm, lies, humiliation, belittle others, speak comments to break others down and harsh judgmental comments? Do they not realize that they are doing evil? How do they think that they are so righteous and flawless? How are they so fake and hypocritical? Are they self aware or not?

But later I began to realise that they are teaching very valuable lessons about ego image. That if ego and persona are believed to be everything, the person refuses to see the darkness behind the ego image that they craft in other people's mind. Conversations are crucial to get to know someone and they are important to create the image you want in other people's mind. If they are naive enough, they will believe your words and deny their own perception. But if they have any awareness of the human ways, they will observe your behaviour privately, inconsistencies in speech, the content of conversations, intensity of your feelings, tone of voice etc to judge whether you are being a fake one or not.

Therefore, 8th house is like that lifting of mask. It is that penetrating vision to see beyond the words and actions of somebody to judge their actual patterns. Conversely, doing so will make you realize that you are not a good person either, like you thought. An 8th houser may have existential dread whether they are projecting their own darkness on others, whether someone is actually bad, whether they still have a grip over reality or they are going crazy?

The bad people you meet are in fact blessing in disguise. Ruminating about them will show you how you were caught up in your own ego ideal. How you may have even been a bad person in many situations but fail to realise this. Though when you see the badness in others, you accept your own behaviour. The 8th house enlightenment only comes after intense turmoil, confusion, conflict, crisis, emergency. That intense anger and self preservation you felt around someone bad will eventually help you understand that you are too caught up in image, validation, fantasy, appearance.

Though for many natives in the world, life is actually very different. They never reach the point of self reflection even by force of nature or necessity. They may continue to say and do the unwholesome things but maintain the self image that they are in fact right and better. Remember! Truth lies in depth. To understand the 8th house, you must lose sight of the shore and go deep. Even though most of the world seems to be caught up in egoistic instincts, persona, validation seeking and language, you must realize that sooner or later these structures will collapse too.

The worst a person is, the more you learn of psyche from them. If 8th housers dont have a guidebook on psychoanalysis yet, they must keep it handy. Because the world is about to unpack and shed its masks, while you need information, knowledge, language to stay stable and sane. To know what is going on around you. Psychological education and information is the support system you need. Do not go into the 8th house with bare hands thinking you can fight the monsters naturally. You need knowledge and preparation to face those monsters and win without fighting.

Sun in the 12 Houses, astrolocherry 🍒✨

~Sun in the 1st people are leaders who find it inorganic to follow or to work for for someone else’s vision- they want to unleash their ideas and visions and watch them come true with the world

~Sun in the 2nd people make things grow, taking each day as it comes and every big and small opportunity to prosper, they begin small, tend to their goals in their own time, and blossom into abundance

~Sun in the 3rd people are voices for causes they may not recognise, upon reflection they have an intelligent and articulate way of speaking about their experiences that gives a voice to others

~Sun in the 4th people are gently dominant, there is a force in their sensitivity like an ocean tide, a softness that has immense effects on others, a sensitivity that can even express in a hardness at first

~Sun in the 5th people draw attention to themselves without trying, there is an auric field that catches the subconscious eye of everybody even when they are attempting to be discreet, may find people in general to be quite intrusive at times

~Sun in the 6th people are internalised, virtuous, and angelic natured and often have a strong intuitive connection with the vulnerable and voiceless - specifically small domesticated animals/pets

~Sun in the 7th people are often a mirror image and the opposite expression of their sun sign, they can display the sign's very overt and strong qualities in one circumstance, then fail to identify with any of it in another

~Sun in the 8th people are not permitted to live on the surface of life and tend to therefore find it almost impossible to tolerate superficiality from others, they are all or nothing with human relationships - romantic and friendship - you’re either ‘with them’ down in to the depths or mostly non-existent

~Sun in the 9th people are questioners from a young age, they don’t accept your word for it - they only accept their experience of it, learning and lifelong education tends to be a very organic path

~Sun in the 10th people are often trying to live up to a lot of unmet expectation on both their own and one or both of the parent’s behalves, there can be a strong sense that they are missing out on the life they are meant to be living

~Sun in the 11th people attract strange circumstances and people in life that appear and vanish just as abruptly and unexpectedly, other people wander in and out of their lives the same way they inactively wander in and out of other people’s lives

~Sun in the 12th people can feel very chameleon and without a clear or definable identity to anchor them down in life, the sense of who they are can blur into the psychic mirror of their company and it can accompany haunting feelings of inauthenticity